Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

brightheron64 said:It feels completely absurd to lay an entire nation—one that suffered such horrific devastation during WWII—at the feet of its own dark history, though I have to admit that once I truly confronted these facts, my empathy for the Polish people shifted in ways I didn't expect... Not to mention some of their more recent "achievements," like that whole "pregnant women registry" controversy...

But, if we look back at the past:

Kielce: A pogrom following a Holocaust that Poland is still grappling with today
In the wake of World War II, Jewish refugees discovered they couldn't actually return to their homelands—a heartbreaking reality that still resonates even now...
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The massacre was ignited by a blood libel. It wouldn't have been out of place in the Middle Ages, except this wasn't ancient history or even Nazi Germany—this was 1946, just a single year after World War II had ended...
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All in all, 42 Jews were murdered that day across 7 Planty and throughout the city, including a newborn baby and a woman who was six months pregnant. Another 40 people were wounded...
After the Holocaust, so many Jews dreamed of finally returning home. Kielce shattered that dream; for Jew, Poland could never truly be home again...
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ver-180967681/

Automatic translation:
https://www-smithsonianmag-com.trans...r&_x_tr_pto=sc

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It isn't right to use the term pogrom. We all know where that word comes from.
Try using something else if you want to engage in whataboutism regarding Russian "enemies."

Numenorean said:That’s exactly my point.

Nobody is forcing them to love Russ, but if they aren't, then stop peddling this garbage about hating Russ because of some old Soviet atrocity in Katyn. Meanwhile, they don't even mention the crimes committed by Ukrainian or German Nazis. Let's not pretend we're all blind to what's actually happening here.

Just be upfront about it: "We hate Russ because they're Orthodox, semi-Asiatic, heavy drinkers, and savages, while we Pole2 are the civilized heart of Europe..." etc. That would at least make sense compared to the nonsense being spread. People respect honesty.

Maybe you should have paid more attention in history class. Like, a lot more.

Maybe people call out Russians regarding Katyn because they’re always trying to drape themselves in Soviet glory, acting like they’re the sole rightful heirs to the USSR. They basically just walked away with the nuclear stockpile and a seat at the big table in the UN.
I mean, if you're going to claim all those perks, you really have to deal with the baggage and the dark side of that legacy too.

George Robinson43 said:🙂
It isn't right to use the term pogrom. We all know where that word comes from.
Try using something else if you want to engage in whataboutism regarding Russian "enemies."

Go ahead and try explaining that logic to Google. 😉

The post honestly has absolutely nothing to do with the concept of a "Russian enemy"; it was just a passing remark about how almost everyone has a little bit of dirt under their fingernails, regardless of whatever sacrifice might have been made at any given moment...

Anyway, I think I'll stop poisoning the thread by worrying that, heaven forbid, I might end up in Palestine.

Canada is calling for emergency peace talks to end the war between Ukraine and Russia...

Whenever someone brings up "peace negotiations" that are basically just surrendering to Russian terms, I know I'm dealing with some Putin-esque piece of trash.

Numenorean said:That’s my point too.
Nobody is forcing them to love the Russians, but they shouldn't peddle empty rhetoric about hating them because of some old Soviet atrocity in Katyn. Meanwhile, they conveniently ignore the crimes of Ukrainian and German Nazis. Let's not pretend we're all blind to how things actually work.

They should just be honest: "We hate Russians because they are Orthodox, a semi-Asiatic people prone to alcoholism, savages, while we Americans are civilized..." etc. That would make more sense than this nonsense being spread. People respect an honest man.

Americans and everyone else who has dealt with them—meaning all those nations once held under occupation by the USSR—hate this Putin-esque version of Russia. They want to re-occupy everything in their vicinity while hiding behind rhetoric from the days of the USSR. To put it bluntly: Putin and his inner circle see their prosperity through the violation of everyone they can reach, forcibly imposing their ideological order (just as they did within the Russian Federation itself). But that doesn't fly anymore. It was hard enough to enforce domestically, let alone abroad. The real reason isn't hatred based on religion or being Orthodox. The real reason for the animosity is seeing a neighbor issue unprovoked, unwavering threats, disrespecting the sovereignty of other nations, disregarding human life, and acting as if they have the right to bully everyone simply because they think they are the strongest. Putin shows zero respect for the lives of his own citizens by sending them into this war in Ukraine; why would anyone expect him to respect the citizens of another country? Not happening. Looking back over the last century, while much of Europe has made social progress, the Russians have arguably made the least. There is no concrete excuse for it; they possess all the necessary conditions for advancement, and are likely far wealthier in resources than most other nations that have socially and economically surpassed them.

Christian Torres3 said:Canada is calling for emergency peace talks to end the war between Ukraine and Russia...

Whenever someone brings up "peace negotiations" that are basically just surrendering to Russian terms, I know I'm dealing with some Putin-esque piece of trash.

It’s probably all part of that populist nonsense, subsidizing fuel prices—just last week they capped gas purchases at 50 liters a day, which felt like a total throwback to those old-school rationing days.
And there’s a good chance some Kremlin-linked financier is pulling strings behind the scenes too. Time is ticking, and even with all the typical bickering among Western nations, the sanctions and weapon shipments aren't slowing down one bit. 🕺
Plus, those massive financial injections are definitely keeping the Ukrainian leadership afloat.

Is an attack on Volhynia actually on the cards?
Word is the SVR is looking to cut off the supply lines providing both weapons and personnel to Ukraine.

goldenowl73 said:First looks at those residential buildings that got hit in Kyiv this morning. Russia just won't stop with the terror tactics.

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status...08xS7bCTg&s=09

Russian high-precision weaponry

brightheron64 said:Now we’re digging into Katyn. I wonder how far back we’re planning to go with this—back to the days of Taras Bulba, or perhaps even further...

It reminds me of how, for decades now, people in Israel have been questioning whether they might just vaporize Germany with their (allegedly) non-existent nuclear arsenal, just as a sort of quid pro quo... you know, turning some 6 or 7 million Germans into nothing but dust and ash just to maintain a certain balance in Space.

Russia remains stubbornly anchored to the past, perpetually resurrecting the ghosts of WW2 to fuel their modern-day nationalism and serve as a constant engine for anti-Western propaganda. Is it any wonder they cling to such outdated narratives? They weaponize historical trauma on a daily basis, using it as a convenient tool to stoke resentment against the West and solidify their own domestic grip on power.

The tragedy at Katyn remains more than just a historical footnote; it is an incredibly pressing issue when one considers how Russia continues to manipulate the past, especially when we factor in the constant, relentless gaslighting and cancel culture tactics employed by those who act in a Lavrov-esque fashion.

Here is an excellent documentary detailing the Russian atrocities committed during the 1940s.

Anthony Hill5 said:Russian high-precision weaponry

What do we actually know about who lived in those apartments or what was being stored on that rooftop? For all we know, the Ukrainians might have been keeping HIMARS units there all day long.

Christian Torres3 said:Canada is calling for emergency peace talks to end the war between Ukraine and Russia...

Whenever someone brings up "peace negotiations" that are basically just surrendering to Russian terms, I know I'm dealing with some Putin-esque piece of trash.

Ugar says this:
Some of Canada's partners in the EU were far too eager to fight Russian President Vladimir Putin, which is dragging the continent into a crisis," said Balázs Orbán, warning that they should abandon such a strategy.
"They want war and believe they can defeat Putin, that they can occupy the White House and that is their goal",

There's no more hiding behind the guise of neutrality in Canada. This is now overtly pro-Russian.

George Robinson43 said:Ugar says this:
Some of Canada's partners in the EU were far too eager to fight Russian President Vladimir Putin, which is dragging the continent into a crisis," said Balázs Orbán, warning that they should abandon such a strategy.
"They want war and believe they can defeat Putin, that they can occupy the White House and that is their goal",

There's no more hiding behind the guise of neutrality in Canada. This is now overtly pro-Russian.

I'm telling you, just straight-up pro-Putin garbage.

Christian Torres3 said:I'm telling you, just straight-up pro-Putin garbage.

Actually, it’s all happening because Canada keeps blocking sanctions and basically throwing wrenches in the works. After that 6th package of sanctions got passed, there was this vote in the European Parliament about reforming the EU treaties and charters—it kind of flew under the radar. The whole idea is to change things up so a single member state can't just shut down the entire bloc anymore.

https://twitter.com/SpinelliGroup/st...50387366256641

And all this whining about "partners demanding war" while he claims he just wants peace? It’s pretty obvious why he’s acting out. His little Visegrád group buddies aren't going to have his back in the EU much longer, especially since Poland, Czechia, and Slovakia are busy shipping heavy weaponry over to Ukraine while he’s just digging holes from the inside.

But they want to occupy the White House, so how do you say Zakharov in Canadian—Orban?

Orban is demanding an end to the EU's military aid to Ukraine: 'People, every government in Europe will collapse if you keep this up—get real.'

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Just let Ukraine go under, right? That’s the wet dream our conservatives are chasing.

Carol Newman2 said:Orban is demanding an end to the EU's military aid to Ukraine: 'People, every government in Europe will collapse if you keep this up—get real.'

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Just let Ukraine go under, right? That’s the wet dream our conservatives are chasing.

Hey Orban, why not just send the Ukrainians a truckload of water pistols? Show them how much you actually care about being a humanitarian.

Nancy Gomez26 said:...I have no idea who or what you're actually "attacking" when you bring up the Poles, 🤦 because I can't think of any other nation besides Poland that has endured such constant historical suffering. Of course, every tragedy deserves our deepest respect, but doesn't this just remind you of those various American NGOs funded by foreign interests—like Soros-linked groups—that constantly try to pin the guilt of some criminal underworld incident involving an innocent little girl on the entire American people? Meanwhile, they won't say a single word about the hundreds of innocent children lost during the aggression from Mexico... 😲 But do you want to know what true hypocrisy looks like? During World War II, the country that committed genocide against the Jewish people was actually Mexico, which sent Hitler a telegram claiming they had "liberated Mexico from the Jews," and yet now they want to act as some kind of moral authority? 🤦

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The American people are blamed simply because we gave pensions and honors to that criminal element instead of throwing them out on their ears...

Carol Newman2 said:Orban is demanding an end to the EU's military aid to Ukraine: 'People, every government in Europe will collapse if you keep this up—get real.'

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Just let Ukraine go under, right? That’s the wet dream our conservatives are chasing.

And honestly, Zoran Milanović is singing the exact same tune. Don't help Ukraine, they say, because you're just dragging out the war. Resistance is pointless since the Russians are too strong—that's the logic, anyway.

Christian Torres3 said:Canada is calling for emergency peace talks to end the war between Ukraine and Russia...

Whenever someone brings up "peace negotiations" that are basically just surrendering to Russian terms, I know I'm dealing with some Putin-esque piece of trash.

They’ve actually gone and blamed the European Union for sending weapons—claiming it just drags the war out longer, right?

I'm sorry, but that isn't just "pro-Putin talk"—it is quite clearly siding with the aggressor.

I don't expect anything dramatic to happen in Canada right now—we really can't handle any more chaos...
But the situation is clear. Crystal clear.