Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Donna Harris11 said:Nord Stream 2 was never actually put into service, even though it was finished back in 2021.

So, I guess... what's the point of making threats in 2022 about a pipeline that isn't even being used?

The Germans (under Merkel) signed an agreement in 2021 because of pressure from the USA and Ukraine, saying they wouldn't use it for the next 10 years and would get their gas through the Ukrainian gas pipeline instead.

Now, it seems like Americans have made sure they can't use it at all anymore. 😁

They didn't sign anything! That’s just a wet dream of yours that, as usual, turns into the total fabrications and lies you post here.
The Russians—or rather, the dictator Putin—know perfectly well that no gas is ever going to flow through those pipelines... ever. That's why he tried to use sabotage as a last-ditch effort to manipulate gas prices, which have already jumped 10% today, supposedly due to short-term fluctuations.

Just the pathetic moves of a loser...

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The "Referendum" in Zaporizhzhia Oblast:

http://www.twitter.com/Liveuamap/sta...45860449554450

About 38,762 people cast their votes—keep in mind the whole region has 1.7 million people, and obviously, the entire area isn't even under Russian control. But hey, they'll probably try to claim the whole thing belongs to Russia now.

🤣 🤣 🤣.

On top of that, Peskov is claiming they’ll be ready to talk after this "referendum" based on some new set of terms 🙏—basically, Putin wants to tell Zelenskyy to just pack up and leave what they're calling "Russian territory" since the war is already lost 😁 🙄.
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It’s honestly pathetic. Not even 40,000 seniors who actually remember the days of the USSR managed to show up to vote. 🙏

Let's get serious for a second:

Found this solid piece over on Euronews: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2...ream-gas-leaks

In short, there's a consensus that we're looking at sabotage; the Danes, the Swedes, the Germans, the Russians, even the Americans—everyone’s acting shocked, claiming nobody actually pulled the trigger. 😁

Interestingly enough, the final paragraph quotes some guy suggesting this was a Russian move just to dodge paying out massive settlements to their old clients.

"Today's sabotage of Nord Stream is a stark reminder of our energy infrastructure's exposure to risks," said Simon Tagliapietra, an energy fellow at the Bruegel think tank. "[The leaks] might well be Russia's way of seeking force majeure and avoiding paying multi-billion damages to its former customers."

Telomere said:Whoever blew up that pipeline, it’s going to be quite the show watching the German industrial sector collapse this winter. Maybe some things will finally click for the Germans once they start freezing and starving. 😁

The Germans are going to need a few consecutive winters before they hit the level of misery seen in Eritrea.

McVily said:That relentless stubbornness and banging their heads against a wall is going to cost the Russians everything...

By last week, it was obvious with Lyman that the deal was done, unless they managed some kind of insane turnaround.

Despite all those supposed "goodwill" withdrawals, they haven't actually pulled back when it really mattered.

They are flatly denying and ignoring every single principle of modern warfare.🙂

It’s not that I feel bad, 🙂 but it seems the Ukrainians have been reading Sun Tzu: never stop pressing an opponent while they're making mistakes.🙂

You seem to have forgotten World War II and how that ended just because the Russians refused to quit fighting the Germans. The losses were massive, almost like they were treating ants instead of people, but they just kept pushing until the end. If the Germans or the Russians had functional atomic bombs at the time, they probably would have tossed a couple at one another.

Now, they certainly aren't going to back down, so we'll just have to wait and see if the world survives this. Like I mentioned before, plenty of people believe World War III actually kicked off on February 24, 2022, with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. There isn't much left to say beyond that; we'll just live through it and see, though things could easily spiral completely out of control. Someone might call me a pessimist, but you have to be realistic—we are living in incredibly uncertain times right now.☕

Telomere said:Whoever managed to crack that pipeline, I’m looking forward to watching the total collapse of German industry this winter. Maybe things will finally click for the Germans when they're freezing their tails off and dealing with food shortages. 😁

That’s not going to happen, but hey, hope is the last thing a die-hard Putin supporter loses.

Okay, now we’re finally getting somewhere... refusing to pay out those gas customer settlements

But here's the real question: why weren't those Coast Guard cutters patrolling the pipeline area?

telomere said:Whoever managed to puncture that pipeline—it's going to be wild watching the German industrial sector sink this winter. Maybe things will finally click for the Germans once they start freezing and facing shortages. 😁

Germans don't complain much—I suspect they’re actually pretty prepared for winter. It’ll be tough, sure, but probably not a total disaster.

darkrider55 said:It’s honestly pathetic. Not even 40,000 seniors who actually remember the days of the USSR managed to show up to vote. 🙏

Then you have those older folks who genuinely believe the USSR is coming back. I feel for them, really—they're getting older, most have lost everything by now, and they're just living in the past.

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Telomere says: Whoever managed to puncture that pipeline, I’m telling you, watching the collapse of German industry this winter is going to be pure entertainment. Maybe once the Germans start freezing in the dark and facing food shortages, they’ll finally get some sense shoved into their heads. 😁

Even the Russians don't buy the idea that Germany is heading for a total freeze-out and ruin anymore... it seems like our Eastern neighbors are the only ones left still peddling that outdated propaganda.

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Andrew Miller102 said:You seem to have forgotten World War II and how that ended just because the Russians refused to quit fighting the Germans. The losses were massive, almost like they were treating ants instead of people, but they just kept pushing until the end. If the Germans or the Russians had functional atomic bombs at the time, they probably would have tossed a couple at one another.

Now, they certainly aren't going to back down, so we'll just have to wait and see if the world survives this. Like I mentioned before, plenty of people believe World War III actually kicked off on February 24, 2022, with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. There isn't much left to say beyond that; we'll just live through it and see, though things could easily spiral completely out of control. Someone might call me a pessimist, but you have to be realistic—we are living in incredibly uncertain times right now.☕

The USSR—that military wasn't made up solely of Russians☕.
If the Russians won't quit, neither will the Ukrainians.
As the saying goes, the Ukrainians haven't surrendered yet, unfortunately.

Telomere said:Whoever blew up that pipeline, it’s going to be hilarious watching German industry collapse this winter. Maybe those Germans will finally get the point when they're freezing and starving. 😁

Man, if they end up screwed, we're going to be even more cooked. 😵

Andrew Miller102 said:You seem to have forgotten World War II and how that ended just because the Russians refused to quit fighting the Germans. The losses were massive, almost like they were treating ants instead of people, but they just kept pushing until the end. If the Germans or the Russians had functional atomic bombs at the time, they probably would have tossed a couple at one another.

Now, they certainly aren't going to back down, so we'll just have to wait and see if the world survives this. Like I mentioned before, plenty of people believe World War III actually kicked off on February 24, 2022, with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. There isn't much left to say beyond that; we'll just live through it and see, though things could easily spiral completely out of control. Someone might call me a pessimist, but you have to be realistic—we are living in incredibly uncertain times right now.☕

Are you seriously comparing a war for survival to a war of conquest? You'll believe anything when you read those desperate Putin supporters... 🤦

China is calling for respect regarding the "territorial integrity of all nations" in relation to Ukraine.
View on twitter

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimGarn69...61448710332439

I mean, seriously, apparently in some parts of the country, they somehow managed to turn out a whopping 109% turnout for the referendum ☕

Traffic Sign said:The level of mythomania on this forum is staggering. It’s basically on par with Russian Telegram channels.

Putin could probably sustain a war for another 30 years if he managed to capture even just 30% of the Chinese and Indian markets.

But sure, let's pretend a Russian defeat is inevitable.

Maybe try doing some actual math for once. Consider the cost of building pipelines all the way there, the terrain they'd have to cross, and who Russia would actually back—China or India—if those two ever ended up at odds.

stormybear25 said:China is calling for respect regarding the "territorial integrity of all nations" in relation to Ukraine.
View on twitter

I'm getting a bit tired of them constantly chanting about Ukraine's territorial integrity...
The guy just recited it—kind of a shrug and a finger in the ear, and that's that.

Traffic Sign said:The level of myth-making on this forum is staggering! It’s practically on par with those Russian Telegram channels.

Putin could sustain a conflict for the next 30 years if he manages to capture even just 30% of the Chinese and Indian markets.

But hey, a Russian defeat is likely just a matter of time.

Are you referring specifically to gas and oil?
Yes, but there is one massive caveat—they would have to successfully smuggle in Western technology and components on a massive scale just to maintain current extraction levels.
If they end up reverting to outdated USSR-era tech like they have in other industries, they won't be pulling more than 3 to 4 million barrels a day. We've already seen that exact scenario play out in Venezuela.

telomere said:Whoever managed to puncture that pipeline, I honestly can't wait to watch the collapse of German industry this winter. Maybe some things will finally click for the Germans when they find themselves shivering in the dark and dealing with food shortages. 😁

The Germans are still busy keeping Oktoberfest running smoothly