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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Participants Charles Ross3rowdytiger13electrichawk94nimblemoose2Noah Ward2George Robinson43Larry Wilson25Larry Walker24Amanda Allen4Noah Sanchez2Paul Thomas46Jessica Peterson2Nancy Gomez26Nathan Evans78William Anderson5electricsurfer47gentlestag15wiredseal7Thomas Nelson25Donna Harris11Nicholas WatsonJack Kelly5Carol Johnson21Kate Cook27 …
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
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#8361 ·
nimbleviper3 said:For Russia, natural gas is nothing more than a tool for blackmail; they couldn't care less who they sell it to or at what price. They are burning through massive quantities right now, but it’s all just a facade—they won't admit how much those sanctions actually hurt until it's too late. Their ultimate goal? To dismantle and subjugate a significant portion of the European Union. The underlying message is clear: this could easily happen to the Baltic pipeline next. Either lift the sanctions, or watch that one blow up too.

Why aren't NATO submarines guarding the pipeline?
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#8362 ·
I mentioned previously that Putin uses the Kadyrovites as a tool to intimidate his own soldiers. Well, here is the confirmation. There is a copy of a letter circulating online from a relative of some guys who were mobilized into the so-called Donetsk People's Militia. In this letter, which is addressed to Denis Pushilin, the leader of the Donetsk People's Militia, it’s reported that Kadyrovites raped two militia members right in front of their peers, while threatening to "slaughter them all like dogs."

https://meduza.io/news/2022/09/28/v-...nye-iz-chechni
Morgan Wright5 Morgan Wright5 Active Member
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#8363 ·
Bryan Taylor6 said:Why aren't NATO submarines guarding the pipeline?

I suppose one has to wonder, though, exactly how a submarine would go about guarding a pipeline.
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
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#8364 ·
Morgan Wright5 said:I suppose one has to wonder, though, exactly how a submarine would go about guarding a pipeline.

They patrol the area, listen for anything suspicious, and if anyone else shows up, they deal with them... obviously talking about an underwater gas line...🤣

If you're dropping bombs from planes, you just have planes patrolling constantly...
Morgan Wright5 Morgan Wright5 Active Member
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#8365 ·
Bryan Taylor6 said:They patrol the area, listen for anything suspicious, and if anyone else shows up, they deal with them... obviously talking about an underwater gas line...🤣

If you're dropping bombs from planes, you just have planes patrolling constantly...

But I guess one has to wonder, what would be the actual point of all that?
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#8366 ·
Bryan Taylor6 said:They patrol the area, listen for anything suspicious, and if anyone else shows up, they deal with them... obviously talking about an underwater gas line...🤣

If you're dropping bombs from planes, you just have planes patrolling constantly...

One would practically have to drop depth charges right next to the pipeline route. That way, you might actually damage it—not by the hands of those who benefit from sabotage, but by those claiming to "protect" it.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#8367 ·
James Chavez91 said:I heard the guy supposedly bathes in deer blood—supposedly good for the skin.
Between other things, a man who married Ludmilla—and better yet, actually managed to get divorced from her—is basically indestructible.

In one interview, he claimed Lyuda was 'draining every ounce of life energy' from him. That explains the divorce. If only Lyuda had been just a little faster at 'draining' him... half the world's problems would be solved overnight.
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#8368 ·
By utilizing the #DontPanic hashtag, pro-Kremlin bloggers have begun drawing absurd comparisons between newly recruited soldiers and orders of french fries or bags of gummy candies in social media posts intended to downplay the scale of the country's mobilization efforts.

Influencers are comparing future soldiers to a one percent order of fries, a single bag of gummy bears, or even the contents of a woman’s makeup bag—all meant to illustrate what they claim is a "negligible" amount. "It's only one percent, friends!" one woman wrote. "Just think about the gummy candies."

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09...er-the-gummies

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I decided to observe how the pro-government public and various bloggers are attempting to justify the mobilization. Apparently, the rhetoric has already started spreading from the Coast to Khabarovsk. They’ve introduced the hashtag #DontPanic and are using analogies involving cosmetic bags or french fries to argue that losing 300,000 men is essentially a minor detail.

https://twitter.com/daguskova/status...26269013532672
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/...a06Jp_b6cAN57A
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#8369 ·
darkotter35 said:Look, if this hasn't clicked for some of you yet... the guy made a promise a long time ago...

"If Russia invades,” said Biden, “then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to IT."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/14907...fense-minister

It is a textbook scenario where an adversary manages to twist your own rhetoric back against you. They were likely drowning in a sea of falsehoods, desperate for any scrap of truth to cling to—not to mention the need to divert attention from their successful 'mobilization' and the situation on the front lines progressing 'according to plan.' It is quite an undertaking, really: destroying a pipeline through which gas isn't even flowing anyway (one wonders if it ever will). Or perhaps someone is simply looking to collect insurance money or dodge a lawsuit. Then again, politicians on both sides have committed far greater follies, so nothing is truly impossible. I am still placing my bets that the sabotage originated from the eastern side of the Baltic.
Timothy Nelson5 Timothy Nelson5 Active Member
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#8370 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:One would practically have to drop depth charges right next to the pipeline route. That way, you might actually damage it—not by the hands of those who benefit from sabotage, but by those claiming to "protect" it.

... though, I suppose if that ever actually happened... you know, someone blows up the pipeline while supposedly guarding it from saboteurs, and then people just shrug and call it an accident...

🙂

That's one way they could spin it, I guess...
Linda Collins3 Linda Collins3 Active Member
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#8371 ·
It’s pretty obvious to me that Americans mined those pipelines. It was clearly meant as a message to Europeans, especially since everyone over there is getting restless about the economy. But what really gets me is how nobody on European news channels even dares to mention it as a possibility. Everyone is just terrified of Big Brother...
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
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#8372 ·
We need to cut off Russian gas once and for all. The clock is ticking on their criminal invasion of other nations. Now that they're actually running low on cash, they’re becoming powerless—and without money, they won't have any power left at all.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#8373 ·
Timothy Williams5 said:By utilizing the #DontPanic hashtag, pro-Kremlin bloggers have begun drawing absurd comparisons between newly recruited soldiers and orders of french fries or bags of gummy candies in social media posts intended to downplay the scale of the country's mobilization efforts.

Influencers are comparing future soldiers to a one percent order of fries, a single bag of gummy bears, or even the contents of a woman’s makeup bag—all meant to illustrate what they claim is a "negligible" amount. "It's only one percent, friends!" one woman wrote. "Just think about the gummy candies."

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09...er-the-gummies

image

I decided to observe how the pro-government public and various bloggers are attempting to justify the mobilization. Apparently, the rhetoric has already started spreading from the Coast to Khabarovsk. They’ve introduced the hashtag #DontPanic and are using analogies involving cosmetic bags or french fries to argue that losing 300,000 men is essentially a minor detail.

https://twitter.com/daguskova/status...26269013532672
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/...a06Jp_b6cAN57A

Every single individual participating in this propaganda campaign deserves a spot in that initial 1%. For those who somehow survive the meat grinder, the front lines, and the predatory habits of the Kadyrovites—after a few months, they should be tracked down and asked if this really feels like a 'small matter.' As for anyone who falls for such blatant disinformation? They aren't any better off, nor do they deserve better.
Arthur Watson4 Arthur Watson4 Active Member
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#8374 ·
Linda Collins3 said:It’s pretty obvious to me that Americans mined those pipelines. It was clearly meant as a message to Europeans, especially since everyone over there is getting restless about the economy. But what really gets me is how nobody on European news channels even dares to mention it as a possibility. Everyone is just terrified of Big Brother...

If they did it, more power to them.☕
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#8375 ·
A regimental commander is checking in with his troops. He admits he’s completely in the dark regarding their actual mission objectives and the quality of the gear they've been handed. Apparently, he was yanked straight out of his vacation to deal with this. He also confesses to dealing with some health issues, though nothing quite severe enough to get him discharged. (video with English subtitles, part 1.)
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...8sFxKpM3f6UdlQ

He goes on to suggest that anyone struggling with poor vision should just rub phosphorus on their eyeballs to improve their night vision for training purposes. (video with English subtitles, part 2.)
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...8sFxKpM3f6UdlQ
dustyfalcon122 dustyfalcon122 Active Member
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#8376 ·
Linda Collins3 said:It’s pretty obvious to me that Americans mined those pipelines. It was clearly meant as a message to Europeans, especially since everyone over there is getting restless about the economy. But what really gets me is how nobody on European news channels even dares to mention it as a possibility. Everyone is just terrified of Big Brother...

The whole point is that, up until now, there hasn't been any covert sabotage like this during this war. This would be a total first.
If they wanted to get involved in the conflict, they could have done it openly through other means, which I honestly believe they would have announced beforehand. Secret operations are risky; if you get caught, the backfire is massive—something they've learned the hard way enough times to know. That’s why they stay public in this war.
Covert sabotage? That's the Russians' playbook, especially in a country that's falling apart where one agency has no idea what the other is doing or why.
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#8377 ·
Zakharov is calling this a terrorist attack.
She’s just quoting Radek—who’s already been quoted here—to cast doubt, though they'll inevitably try to pin the blame on the USA.
If they hadn't lied so many times before, maybe anyone would actually be listening now.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#8378 ·
Linda Collins3 said:It’s pretty obvious to me that Americans mined those pipelines. It was clearly meant as a message to Europeans, especially since everyone over there is getting restless about the economy. But what really gets me is how nobody on European news channels even dares to mention it as a possibility. Everyone is just terrified of Big Brother...

It’s the only thing that makes sense. Why would the Russians blow up their own pipeline when they already hold the kill switch? They can turn the flow on or off whenever they feel like it. It's incredible the kind of nonsense and sheer stupidity they try to feed people these days.🤦
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
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joined May 2018
#8379 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:It’s the only thing that makes sense. Why would the Russians blow up their own pipeline when they already hold the kill switch? They can turn the flow on or off whenever they feel like it. It's incredible the kind of nonsense and sheer stupidity they try to feed people these days.🤦

Think about it. When Russia was selling gas and oil to Europe, they were swimming in cash. Now they attack Ukraine and lose everything.🤷
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#8380 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:It’s the only thing that makes sense. Why would the Russians blow up their own pipeline when they already hold the kill switch? They can turn the flow on or off whenever they feel like it. It's incredible the kind of nonsense and sheer stupidity they try to feed people these days.🤦

So it's totally illogical that Putin would want to get back at the Germans by destroying billions of dollars in their own property? Right?

There are plenty of more logical explanations for who actually blew up that pipeline.

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