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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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boldbison40 boldbison40 Member
43 messages
joined Mar 2022
#8501 ·
Kate Cook27 said:We really need a headline here: Who actually sabotaged the pipeline? 🍿 🍿

There are plenty of suspects—everyone has a reason to point the finger at someone else.

But

http://www.twitter.com/visegrad24/st...CguaSs09srAAAA

ExxonMobil is going to stop shipping gas through Ukraine too. Personally, my money is on Russia being behind this sabotage. They want to drive a wedge through the European Union and jack up prices—basically doing exactly what their media outlets have been pushing regarding the "radicalization of Europeans."

The investigation has only just gotten underway

https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/stat...11779259158529
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
125 messages
joined Nov 2023
#8502 ·
Logic tells me that NATO and U.S. forces mined the pipeline, and I fully support that move. It’s one less chip on the table for those who favor appeasement.
wiredtiger8 wiredtiger8 Active Member
81 messages
joined Jul 2019
#8503 ·
bluepuma9 said:Why does there even need to be a long stay... just drop them off nearby, maybe use a dinghy, then circle back later. There's so much traffic out there that anything unusual just blends in. And it's not 100 meters deep anyway; we're talking more like 50 meters.

Look, since the Swedes picked up those 2.1, 1.9 Richter readings, I just can't wrap my head around the idea that these were some tiny little charges divers lugged down on their backs.

It's pretty obvious that divers likely planted the bombs or the explosives, but given the sheer magnitude of those blasts, you'd need some serious "infrastructure" to deliver that kind of payload... we're talking full-blown military-grade operation here. It's plain as day.
Carol Johnson21 Carol Johnson21 Active Member
73 messages
joined May 2023
#8504 ·
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/st...OAkhHvw5l7jfqA
I’m seeing this pattern everywhere in the clips posted here. When Russian commentators criticize the course of the war or the mobilization efforts, they always wrap their complaints in this polite little package: "It’s not your fault, dear Leader, it’s just that your advisors gave you bad intel."
What we might actually be witnessing is the fallout from a power struggle between the military brass and the FBI—one of those two competing factions that Putin is constantly trying to appease while balancing their support against one another, as Baric pointed out.

With all this mystery surrounding the pipeline explosion, I’m starting to find spy movies more believable than reality.🤷

By the way, word on the street is that Lyman will be under Ukrainian control by the end of the day.
Michelle Young50 Michelle Young50 Member
35 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8505 ·
Carol Johnson21 said:https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/st...OAkhHvw5l7jfqA
I’m seeing this pattern everywhere in the clips posted here. When Russian commentators criticize the course of the war or the mobilization efforts, they always wrap their complaints in this polite little package: "It’s not your fault, dear Leader, it’s just that your advisors gave you bad intel."
What we might actually be witnessing is the fallout from a power struggle between the military brass and the FBI—one of those two competing factions that Putin is constantly trying to appease while balancing their support against one another, as Baric pointed out.

With all this mystery surrounding the pipeline explosion, I’m starting to find spy movies more believable than reality.🤷

By the way, word on the street is that Lyman will be under Ukrainian control by the end of the day.

In regimes like this, whenever someone criticizes the status quo or calls for change, they lead with an alibi—vowing loyalty to the leader first. It’s a classic move. Take the political shifts back in the day during certain eras of American history—figures like Tripalo and Savka would swear their allegiance to Marshall before pushing for changes, framing the problem as a few "bad actors" within the administration rather than the system itself.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
787 messages
joined Jan 2018
#8506 ·
Carol Johnson21 said:https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/st...OAkhHvw5l7jfqA
I’m seeing this pattern everywhere in the clips posted here. When Russian commentators criticize the course of the war or the mobilization efforts, they always wrap their complaints in this polite little package: "It’s not your fault, dear Leader, it’s just that your advisors gave you bad intel."
What we might actually be witnessing is the fallout from a power struggle between the military brass and the FBI—one of those two competing factions that Putin is constantly trying to appease while balancing their support against one another, as Baric pointed out.

With all this mystery surrounding the pipeline explosion, I’m starting to find spy movies more believable than reality.🤷

By the way, word on the street is that Lyman will be under Ukrainian control by the end of the day.

Today I learned that you can't trust YouTube 'translations' for anything. You have to listen to the original speakers and watch their mouths—to see if what you're hearing is actually what they are saying. What we saw before was a mild horror show; those subtitles had absolutely nothing to do with what people were actually saying on screen. The Russians lie through propaganda, sure, but this is just as cheap a fabrication regardless of who is behind it or what their motives might be. The Russians don't even need extra help planting lies; they discredit themselves plenty well enough on their own. Instead, they try to play the 'victim' of someone else's planted misinformation. In the end, they'll claim everything was maliciously planted by some outside force, leaving everyone wondering, 'Who's really pulling the strings here?'
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
378 messages
joined Oct 2018
#8507 ·
boldbison40 said:The investigation has only just gotten underway

https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/stat...11779259158529

They aren't far off the mark🤣
stormybear25 stormybear25 Active Member
62 messages
joined Sep 2022
#8508 ·
Anyway, does anyone have an actual update on how the situation looks around Lyman?

https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/statu...12106801004546
Check out this map. It’s pretty intense. At this rate, they'll be completely surrounded by the Ukrainians
soon.
electricsurfer47 electricsurfer47 Active Member
177 messages
joined Jun 2018
#8509 ·
casualtiger2 said:This keeps getting better. Now they’re just bickering and calling each other cowards for dodging the front lines. 🙂

"one million to be drafted.
There should be enough pedophiles and perverts in our country to fit this massive number and feed the meat grinder ...
I don`t want to to become cannon fodder. Send The useless ones like All The lousy street musicians and art students ! "

Is that video on YouTube?
Timothy Nelson5 Timothy Nelson5 Active Member
232 messages
joined Oct 2018
#8510 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:Today I learned that you can't trust YouTube 'translations' for anything. You have to listen to the original speakers and watch their mouths—to see if what you're hearing is actually what they are saying. What we saw before was a mild horror show; those subtitles had absolutely nothing to do with what people were actually saying on screen. The Russians lie through propaganda, sure, but this is just as cheap a fabrication regardless of who is behind it or what their motives might be. The Russians don't even need extra help planting lies; they discredit themselves plenty well enough on their own. Instead, they try to play the 'victim' of someone else's planted misinformation. In the end, they'll claim everything was maliciously planted by some outside force, leaving everyone wondering, 'Who's really pulling the strings here?'

And how many times have we all laughed at those various takes on Hitler's outbursts—you know, the whole...
- Nein! Nein! Nein!Nein!Nein!
😉

You really have to listen to the actual speakers and watch their mouths to see if what you're hearing is actually what they're saying. What we saw before was just a nightmare; the subtitles had absolutely nothing to do with what the people on the show were actually uttering. I mean, Russians lie for propaganda, sure, but this kind of cheap fabrication is just as bad, regardless of who is behind it or what their motives might be.

I watched the original video before this parody came out, and I realized pretty quickly that it wasn't real.
The real issue, I guess, is that nobody bothered to mention it was a parody.

The most absurd part is that the fake subtitles don't even look *that* unbelievable when you consider how much garbage most of these people on that show spout anyway.

The Russians don't even need to plant extra lies; they discredit themselves plenty well enough as it is—and doing this just makes them look like 'victims' of someone else's setup.

That’s true. Too often, these guys just end up putting their own feet in their mouths.
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 Regular
330 messages
joined Apr 2022
#8511 ·
electricsurfer47 said:Is that video on YouTube?

I was watching it on mute and just went off what some other forum folks were saying—didn't even realize the translation was fake.
Still, it’s a solid joke. Honestly, wouldn't surprise me if they're starting to get a little twitchy, but no panic here—everything is going exactly according to plan. 😍
Bradley White73 Bradley White73 Active Member
78 messages
joined Sep 2020
#8512 ·
cosmicgull52 said:Logic tells me that NATO and U.S. forces mined the pipeline, and I fully support that move. It’s one less chip on the table for those who favor appeasement.

I feel the same way; if it turns out that’s what really happened, I wouldn't have any issue with it at all.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
557 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8513 ·
electricsurfer47 said:Is that video on YouTube?

Total fake 😁.
And our local traitors—those so-called DLNR leaders—are actually heading over to Russia just to sign some deal joining them. It’s honestly sad how out of touch they are with reality.
Andrew Booth2 Andrew Booth2 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Apr 2015
#8514 ·
Is anyone else noticing how quiet everyone is about the Russians fleeing mobilization and heading over to Georgia? Like, seriously, just imagine if 100,000 or even 150,000 people suddenly crossed that border—what happens then? Are we talking about refugees or just a massive influx of people struggling to get by? Georgia’s population is only around 3.7 million, which is pretty similar to our own size, and now they're dealing with this huge wave of newcomers. It’s got to be a massive potential humanitarian headache, don't you think?
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
325 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8515 ·
electricsurfer47 said:Is that video on YouTube?


If you're on a desktop, just look for those three little dots under the bottom right corner of the video—click "Show transcript."
That’ll pull up the Russian text on the right side; just copy it and run it through Google Translate.
On a phone, it should be something pretty similar.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
557 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8516 ·
electricstag9 said:https://twitter.com/StepanGronk/stat...77376009654272
They even went as far as making sure they have comfortable beds waiting for them—talk about living the high life while everything else falls apart.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...35774432444418
Give me a break. There is absolutely no way Russia would go through with mining Nord Stream now that they’ve already choked off the pipelines running through Ukraine. It is blindingly obvious what their actual endgame is here: NO SOUP FOR YOU. They want to starve Europe of gas and leave everyone out in the cold. Freeze if you want, because that's clearly the plan!

Honestly, things aren't going great for the Russians. While they were busy making threats, dealing with those weird fungal issues visible from Mexico, and trying to sink the United Kingdom, Europeans were working overtime to secure gas supplies and bring in new pipelines. This feels like a desperate move—which is why I suspect they're actually behind it.

Then there's the Americans, though I think they can just sit back and watch the Russians tumble straight into the abyss at this point.
As for other countries—well, the Poles wouldn't move without a green light from the U.S., and the Germans certainly wouldn't act unless they were sure their citizens wouldn't start protesting high prices again. Everything seems to hinge on Washington.
It really comes down to the two biggest players: the Americans and the Russians. Who stands to gain the most? The Russians-yes, by driving up prices—they've already shut off the line through Ukraine just to keep Europe gas-starved....
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#8517 ·
Andrew Booth2 said:Is anyone else noticing how quiet everyone is about the Russians fleeing mobilization and heading over to Georgia? Like, seriously, just imagine if 100,000 or even 150,000 people suddenly crossed that border—what happens then? Are we talking about refugees or just a massive influx of people struggling to get by? Georgia’s population is only around 3.7 million, which is pretty similar to our own size, and now they're dealing with this huge wave of newcomers. It’s got to be a massive potential humanitarian headache, don't you think?

That's the deal with this bad attack—they're heading West again. 🙄.
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
271 messages
joined May 2018
#8518 ·
Every night at 8 PM on local news channels like ABC or Fox, there’s a deep dive into current events. You get to hear exactly what the Mexicans and Russians are saying about the war and the special operations. Honestly, you need a strong stomach for it.
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
258 messages
joined Dec 2007
#8519 ·
You don't even need to deal with that. Just grab the auto-generated subtitles and set them to whatever language you want—it even has American available.
Nathan Evans78 Nathan Evans78 Regular
283 messages
joined Aug 2019
#8520 ·
A recent poll suggests that a growing number of Americans are feeling increasingly weary of the ongoing support the Biden administration continues to funnel toward Ukraine in its conflict with Russia. According to data gathered from 1,215 US citizens by the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and Democracy—a think tank known for advocating a more restrained approach to American foreign policy—about 57 percent of voters are leaning toward diplomatic negotiations to bring this war to an end, even if it means asking the Ukrainians to make certain compromises. Only about 32 percent of those surveyed expressed strong or moderate opposition to such a move, according to Business Insider.

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