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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Jacob Kern2 Jacob Kern2 Active Member
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#8521 ·
Kate Cook27 said:We really need a headline here: Who actually sabotaged the pipeline? 🍿 🍿

There are plenty of suspects—everyone has a reason to point the finger at someone else.

But

http://www.twitter.com/visegrad24/st...CguaSs09srAAAA

ExxonMobil is going to stop shipping gas through Ukraine too. Personally, my money is on Russia being behind this sabotage. They want to drive a wedge through the European Union and jack up prices—basically doing exactly what their media outlets have been pushing regarding the "radicalization of Europeans."

Is gas still being transported to Canada via that specific pipeline?
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#8522 ·
swiftjackal11 said:Every night at 8 PM on local news channels like ABC or Fox, there’s a deep dive into current events. You get to hear exactly what the Mexicans and Russians are saying about the war and the special operations. Honestly, you need a strong stomach for it.

🤣Honestly, those shows and all the garbage coming out of outlets like Fox News, CNN, or even some of those state-run media channels...
they should be up for a Nobel Prize. Seriously. You get a whole minute of pure nonsense packed into one tiny window...🤦 just endless, brainless propaganda about the Mexican and Russian worlds being tossed at the public...🤣
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#8523 ·
Jacob Kern2 said:Is gas still being transported to Canada via that specific pipeline?

Nope.
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
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joined Dec 2007
#8524 ·
The South Stream pipeline is headed straight for Canada and Mexico...
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#8525 ·
Jacob Kern2 said:Is gas still being transported to Canada via that specific pipeline?

Nope—it’s heading toward Turkey, just like the supply for Mexico and Bulgaria. The route goes right through the Black Sea and Turkey.
Carol Johnson21 Carol Johnson21 Active Member
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#8526 ·
casualtiger2 said:I was watching it on mute and just went off what some other forum folks were saying—didn't even realize the translation was fake.
Still, it’s a solid joke. Honestly, wouldn't surprise me if they're starting to get a little twitchy, but no panic here—everything is going exactly according to plan. 😍

If you're referring to that Solovjev parody video, it struck me as unbelievable immediately. It’s highly unlikely they would be that blatant about dodging mobilization.

And I agree—there's no point in mocking them like this. If we go down that road, their actual absurdities get lost in the noise. We have plenty of real nonsense to deal with, and those should be carefully attributed rather than turning them into "confused Nazis," much like what happened with the Italians during WWII.
Jacob Kern2 Jacob Kern2 Active Member
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#8527 ·
rowdytiger13 said:Nope.

dustyowl29 said:The South Stream pipeline is headed straight for Canada and Mexico...

Kate Cook27 said:Nope—it’s heading toward Turkey, just like the supply for Mexico and Bulgaria. The route goes right through the Black Sea and Turkey.

It is truly a pity. 😬
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#8528 ·
Andrew Booth2 said:Is anyone else noticing how quiet everyone is about the Russians fleeing mobilization and heading over to Georgia? Like, seriously, just imagine if 100,000 or even 150,000 people suddenly crossed that border—what happens then? Are we talking about refugees or just a massive influx of people struggling to get by? Georgia’s population is only around 3.7 million, which is pretty similar to our own size, and now they're dealing with this huge wave of newcomers. It’s got to be a massive potential humanitarian headache, don't you think?

That’s an interesting question.

The "National Movement" is pushing a new legislative initiative that would require Russian citizens to pay a $1,800 occupation fee upon entering Georgia. Levan Bezhashvili, a member of the Democratic Party, spoke publicly about this proposal today, September 28th.

According to his reasoning, this obligation ought to be extended to include those Russian citizens who are already residing in Georgia.

Our party and parliamentary faction are officially moving forward with a legislative initiative to amend the Georgia occupation law, essentially providing a concrete political response to this ongoing situation. This proposed bill would mandate that citizens of the Russian Federation pay an occupation fee upon entering Georgian territory. That amount is set at 1,000 GEL per individual.

Securing this payout would essentially force the recognition that certain territories in Georgia are currently under occupation by the Russian Federation, effectively labeling Russia as the aggressor. At the same time, this contribution is intended to serve as a strategic deterrent; if they refuse to acknowledge the situation or settle the funds, they lose any leverage to enter Georgian territory at all, according to Levan Bezhashvili.

The current situation regarding the energy infrastructure suggests we are looking at more than just simple technical failures. When you analyze the scale of the damage reported, it becomes clear that the sheer size of the breaches in the pipelines points toward something far more intentional than mere wear and tear. There is a certain level of calculated aggression visible here that defies the idea of accidental malfunction. It isn't just about the physical destruction; it’s about the strategic implications of such a disruption. If we look at how these events unfold, they rarely happen in a vacuum. There is a pattern of destabilization that seems to be unfolding in real-time, where the vulnerability of vital resources is exploited to create maximum leverage. While some might try to downplay the severity or attribute it to random chance, a more seasoned view suggests these are deliberate strikes designed to exert pressure on the regional landscape. It feels less like a series of unfortunate accidents and more like a coordinated effort to test how much the international community is willing to tolerate before reacting.

Here is one truly exceptional piece of reporting:

Once the Russian Federation launched its invasion of Ukraine and the war kicked into high gear, we started seeing a massive exodus of people fleeing Russia. One of the primary destinations they’ve been gravitating toward is Georgia, largely because the visa requirements there are practically non-existent, allowing them to settle in and stay for a full year without any hassle.

According to data released by the Department of Homeland Security, there was a notable surge in movement across the border in August 2022, with 24,076 more citizens of the Russian Federation entering Georgia than had arrived during the month of July. Based on the Department's figures, the number of Russian nationals entering Georgia climbed to 260,810 in August, up from the 236,734 recorded in July.

At the same time, the Georgia Real Estate Association is reporting a significant surge in property demand driven by citizens from Russia and Belarus. According to research conducted by Transparency International, between March and June of this year, approximately 6,400 Russian companies and entrepreneurs were registered in Georgia—a figure that represents a sevenfold increase compared to the annual rates we saw back in 2021.
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On September 21, the Russian Federation announced a partial military mobilization. According to Putin, this specific phase focuses exclusively on reservists and those who already possess relevant military experience.

However, there’s a hidden truth buried within the mobilization orders posted on the official White House websites. Despite all the public posturing from Putin and Shoigu, the reality on the ground tells a completely different story. It’s nowhere to be found in the order. It isn't explicitly stated that the mobilization is limited strictly to reservists or those with prior military experience, which suggests a much more flexible approach from the White House. Essentially, it looks like they’ve left themselves enough room to call up anyone they deem necessary whenever they see fit, rather than being boxed in by a fixed quota of 300,000 men.

https://netgazeti.ge/life/631984/

Here is another one:

Military analyst Zura Batiashvili weighs in on the situation at the border crossing near the Georgia-Russia line following the partial mobilization announced by the Russian Federation, noting reports of an increasing number of Russian citizens attempting to enter Georgia.

“If you look at Google Earth, it shows a column of Russian deserters stretching 12 kilometers along the border, and it isn’t slowing down. We are looking at tens of thousands of additional Russians flooding into Georgia.
Don't go thinking there's still plenty of housing available in Tbilisi or Batumi; people won't have anywhere to stay. They’ll either be pushed into other cities or simply end up living on the streets. Honestly, they don't seem to care. These aren't just the elite from Moscow or Saint Petersburg. There is a massive influx of people fleeing the deep provinces, including those who fought against us back in 2008, alongside various bad actors from social media.

They bring their entire way of life with them—everything from fascist ideologies and criminal elements to theft, drug addiction, and prostitution. Naturally, one shouldn't place any faith in this current administration or Susi; quite the opposite. They are firmly on their side. The only thing that might actually stem this tide is if Putin decides to shut the borders entirely.

https://metronome.ge/story/429946

And here is what a Google search for "Russian refugees," in Georgian, yields:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%E1%...t=gws-wiz-serp
Carol Johnson21 Carol Johnson21 Active Member
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#8529 ·
A Kazakh blogger is panicking after catching these two Russian fugitives trying to dodge mobilization.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...mrV3qw1cJinU2Q

Sure, it’s one thing when dealing with Crimeans or people from the Donbas,
but Pavlodar—a city in Kazakhstan where the population is mostly Russians—that’s a much trickier question. "Officially, it's Kazakh,"

Apropos the question of what their actual views are and how much of a threat they pose to the countries they are currently fleeing to:
The folks over by the Baltic Sea aren't crazy for closing their borders, and while Georgians would love to act, they won't do it as long as that collaborationist government is in power.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#8530 ·
Carol Johnson21 said:A Kazakh blogger is panicking after catching these two Russian fugitives trying to dodge mobilization.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...mrV3qw1cJinU2Q

Sure, it’s one thing when dealing with Crimeans or people from the Donbas,
but Pavlodar—a city in Kazakhstan where the population is mostly Russians—that’s a much trickier question. "Officially, it's Kazakh,"

Apropos the question of what their actual views are and how much of a threat they pose to the countries they are currently fleeing to:
The folks over by the Baltic Sea aren't crazy for closing their borders, and while Georgians would love to act, they won't do it as long as that collaborationist government is in power.

It’s easy to watch Ukrainians get killed from a distance, but once it's time to actually hit the front lines, suddenly everyone's running. So much for fighting for the motherland.
Pavlodar is Russian—it was founded by Russians, after all—and it'll probably be handed back to Russia soon enough 🎉.
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
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#8531 ·
Kate Cook27 said:It’s easy to watch Ukrainians get killed from a distance, but once it's time to actually hit the front lines, suddenly everyone's running. So much for fighting for the motherland.
Pavlodar is Russian—it was founded by Russians, after all—and it'll probably be handed back to Russia soon enough 🎉.

Things weren't any better back home here in the States. Some people headed for the trenches, others fled to Germany. But those who stay? They have more heart than the Russians doing the attacking.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#8532 ·
http://www.twitter.com/markito0171/s...CjndD24dsrAAAA

The US Embassy is telling Americans to get out of Russia? Does that mean they're closing the borders soon? No more dodging the draft?
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#8533 ·
swiftjackal11 said:Things weren't any better back home here in the States. Some people headed for the trenches, others fled to Germany. But those who stay? They have more heart than the Russians doing the attacking.

Honestly, most of the people fleeing Russia are the same ones who were all for the Z. movement. Now that they might actually be sent to the front lines themselves, suddenly they're running. If the war were happening inside Russia, I'd get it, but this is different.
Dennis Price Dennis Price Active Member
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#8534 ·
Kadyrov’s little idea about individual states and regions forming their own battalions within the Russian Federation—honestly, it was a pretty sneaky move. I just hope that behind the scenes of all this mobilization, they're actually putting something like that into motion. It opens up a very real possibility for decentralizing power in Russia.
darkotter35 darkotter35 Active Member
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#8535 ·
bluepuma9 said:Why does there even need to be a long stay... just drop them off nearby, maybe use a dinghy, then circle back later. There's so much traffic out there that anything unusual just blends in. And it's not 100 meters deep anyway; we're talking more like 50 meters.

Danish Energy Minister Dan Jorgensen also said the size of the holes in the pipelines indicate that the leaks could not have been caused by an accident such as getting hit by an anchor. The damaged pipelines are at a depth of 70-90 meters below sea level, he added.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#8536 ·
http://www.twitter.com/Archer83Able/...DQ9ebT7NsrAAAA

Regarding the pipeline sabotage—the Germans are saying that if we don't get things fixed fast, it might be out of commission for good.
Karen Doyle72 Karen Doyle72 Active Member
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#8537 ·
Kate Cook27 said:http://www.twitter.com/markito0171/s...CjndD24dsrAAAA

The US Embassy is telling Americans to get out of Russia? Does that mean they're closing the borders soon? No more dodging the draft?

hollowdriver13 says he isn't going anywhere. 🤣
darkotter35 darkotter35 Active Member
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#8538 ·
Look, we've seen top-tier American officials lay it out in black and white—explicit promises about what happens to Nord Stream if Russia decides to invade Ukraine—but honestly? It feels like pure Russian propaganda at this point...🤣

Victoria Nuland: “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.”
https://twitter.com/StateDept/status...stream-1-and-2

Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/14907...stream-1-and-2
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#8539 ·
Karen Doyle72 said:hollowdriver13 says he isn't going anywhere. 🤣

🤣With 10 different secret identities and piles of docs, the guy probably can't even decide which one to pick...
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#8540 ·
Justin Mendoza16 said:🤣With 10 different secret identities and piles of docs, the guy probably can't even decide which one to pick...

🤣, but really, he’ll just be mobilized for IT support—monitoring satellites, reporting on NATO units in Ukraine, and calling in artillery strikes. All from the comfort of his own living room 😁.

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