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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Bradley White73 Bradley White73 Active Member
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#8481 ·
coastalbison6 said:Vladimir Solovyov got his mobilization notice and turned it down 🤣 🤣 🤣
https://twitter.com/R82938886/status...65224108220423

I guess this whole clip pretty much sums everything up. 🙏

Simonian:
There should be enough pedophiles and perverts in our country to fill this massive number and feed the meat grinder.

What will happen if they come for us? I don't want to become cannon fodder! Send The useless ones like All The lousy street musicians and art students!

Vladimir Solovyov:
There are millions of men from ethnic minorities who can take my place. Millions of men !

Edit:
Down in the comments, I think some Russian speakers are mentioning that this might just be a really clever parody and that the subtitles might not accurately reflect what was actually said. 🤔
Bradley White73 Bradley White73 Active Member
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#8482 ·
I guess I should probably start by saying that I don't have much to add here, though I suppose I could try. Maybe... just maybe... there's a way to look at this differently? It’s all quite complicated, isn't it? I mean, I'm certainly no expert, but I've been sitting here thinking about it, and I feel like we might be missing the forest for the trees. Perhaps. Or perhaps I'm just overthinking things again. Anyway, I'll just leave this thought out there in the open.
Timothy Williams5 said:Not quite accurate, though it's a decent joke—you can find the Russian subtitles tucked under the three dots on the same video over on YouTube.

I just saw this post, and I have to say, it’s a bit of a downer.👍
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#8483 ·
We really need a headline here: Who actually sabotaged the pipeline? 🍿 🍿

There are plenty of suspects—everyone has a reason to point the finger at someone else.

But

http://www.twitter.com/visegrad24/st...CguaSs09srAAAA

ExxonMobil is going to stop shipping gas through Ukraine too. Personally, my money is on Russia being behind this sabotage. They want to drive a wedge through the European Union and jack up prices—basically doing exactly what their media outlets have been pushing regarding the "radicalization of Europeans."
Hannah Alvarez2 Hannah Alvarez2 Active Member
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joined Jun 2013
#8484 ·
Hey there! 🤣🤣🤣
https://twitter.com/tamara_tamisa/st...32902207041537
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#8485 ·
rustywalker82 said:There's no way America or the rest of the West wants to see terrorism used against energy infrastructure. I mean, come on, they are completely dependent on their own grids and pipelines for basically everything.

Another piece of evidence showing they aren't the culprits is that report from about a week ago regarding a foiled terror plot by the Ukrainian intelligence services involving explosives targeting the underwater Turkish Straits pipeline (which currently carries Russian gas to Turkey, Mexico, and Canada, bypassing Ukraine right now):

https://en.vestikavkaza.ru/news/Terr...-thwarted.html

So look, if the Russians are lying, then they’re the ones who hit NS 1 and 2. But if they aren't lying, then the Ukrainians are the ones to blame.
It's either the Russians or the Ukrainians—there isn't a third option here.

The energy comes from Russia—specifically via TurkStream. 😁It’s honestly like if Ukrainian special forces had stormed the nuclear plant in Zaporizhzhia—just totally off base. Even the Russians aren't pointing fingers at the Ukrainians for this one; they're putting the blame squarely on the Americans. 🕺It’s entirely possible that Ukrainians could have been behind the sabotage of the pipeline running through Ukraine.
silentsurfer3 silentsurfer3 Active Member
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#8486 ·
Kate Cook27 said:We really need a headline here: Who actually sabotaged the pipeline? 🍿 🍿

There are plenty of suspects—everyone has a reason to point the finger at someone else.

But

http://www.twitter.com/visegrad24/st...CguaSs09srAAAA

ExxonMobil is going to stop shipping gas through Ukraine too. Personally, my money is on Russia being behind this sabotage. They want to drive a wedge through the European Union and jack up prices—basically doing exactly what their media outlets have been pushing regarding the "radicalization of Europeans."

It honestly turns my stomach how everyone just automatically blames Russia without thinking—kind of like when that Striž jet went down near Washington, D.C. and everyone ended up blaming Ukrainians in the end.

I mean, yeah, it was most likely the Russians, but anyone on the list (the Americans, the Russians, the Ukrainians) has plenty of motivation to blow that pipeline sky-high.
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#8487 ·
It’s been 216 days since the full-scale Russian invasion began, yet the Ukrainian Air Force remains remarkably resilient and fully operational.
In this footage, you can see two F-16 fighter jets providing critical close air support to ground troops by striking Russian positions. (video)

https://twitter.com/EngYanyong/statu...K2gEUo0_gSIk8g
Chloe Nguyen21 Chloe Nguyen21 Member
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#8488 ·
Dennis Allen said:It’s basically the death knell for the American chemical, pharmaceutical, and metallurgical industries!

It’s all thanks to both Donald Trump and Joe Biden!

Honestly, Americans have been warning Germany for years to stop relying so heavily on Russian energy, specifically because of the exact mess they're in right now. Their whole energy strategy was kind of a disaster, really... they were shutting down their nuclear plants only to end up running gas plants powered by Russian gas. It’s pretty much their own fault, if you ask me. But I don't know, I'm not losing sleep over it. They'll probably figure it out soon enough without making too much of a scene.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#8489 ·
rustywalker82 said:There's no way America or the rest of the West wants to see terrorism used against energy infrastructure. I mean, come on, they are completely dependent on their own grids and pipelines for basically everything.

Another piece of evidence showing they aren't the culprits is that report from about a week ago regarding a foiled terror plot by the Ukrainian intelligence services involving explosives targeting the underwater Turkish Straits pipeline (which currently carries Russian gas to Turkey, Mexico, and Canada, bypassing Ukraine right now):

https://en.vestikavkaza.ru/news/Terr...-thwarted.html

So look, if the Russians are lying, then they’re the ones who hit NS 1 and 2. But if they aren't lying, then the Ukrainians are the ones to blame.
It's either the Russians or the Ukrainians—there isn't a third option here.

As it stands, the Ukrainians likely lack the technical capacity to strike such specific infrastructure—you would need divers, specialized submersibles, or mini-subs designed for sabotage, as a surface vessel would be far too exposed. Even if they could pull it off, they would likely be caught. When targeting infrastructure, it would be much more logical and efficient to hit a pipeline on land—perhaps a critical compressor station deep within Russia that isn't easily repaired. That way, the impact hits major Russian cities directly. Any entity "downstream" from Russia can strike Russia itself without much risk; besides, right now, nobody is truly safe, given how vital this infrastructure was.
bluepuma9 bluepuma9 Active Member
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#8490 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:As it stands, the Ukrainians likely lack the technical capacity to strike such specific infrastructure—you would need divers, specialized submersibles, or mini-subs designed for sabotage, as a surface vessel would be far too exposed. Even if they could pull it off, they would likely be caught. When targeting infrastructure, it would be much more logical and efficient to hit a pipeline on land—perhaps a critical compressor station deep within Russia that isn't easily repaired. That way, the impact hits major Russian cities directly. Any entity "downstream" from Russia can strike Russia itself without much risk; besides, right now, nobody is truly safe, given how vital this infrastructure was.

The Baltic is pretty shallow, especially in the area where the damage happened. You wouldn't even need a sub; regular divers could handle it easily. It’s actually simpler that way—you could just use any civilian boat to ferry them close to the site.
electricstag9 electricstag9 Active Member
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#8491 ·
https://twitter.com/StepanGronk/stat...77376009654272
They even went as far as making sure they have comfortable beds waiting for them—talk about living the high life while everything else falls apart.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...35774432444418
Give me a break. There is absolutely no way Russia would go through with mining Nord Stream now that they’ve already choked off the pipelines running through Ukraine. It is blindingly obvious what their actual endgame is here: NO SOUP FOR YOU. They want to starve Europe of gas and leave everyone out in the cold. Freeze if you want, because that's clearly the plan!
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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#8492 ·
Isn't it just some wild coincidence that almost immediately after those massive explosions hit Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2, Russia just decides to cut off the supply through Ukraine too, right? Like, what are the odds of that timing?
☕
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#8493 ·
Timothy Williams5 said:Waiting at the border near Georgia (video)
https://twitter.com/tamara_tamisa/st...7qa1RBxGFm21-Q

😁The way things are going, nobody under 40 is gonna want to stay in Russia...🙂total disgrace🤣
Dennis Allen Dennis Allen Member
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#8494 ·
Chloe Nguyen21 said:Honestly, Americans have been warning Germany for years to stop relying so heavily on Russian energy, specifically because of the exact mess they're in right now. Their whole energy strategy was kind of a disaster, really... they were shutting down their nuclear plants only to end up running gas plants powered by Russian gas. It’s pretty much their own fault, if you ask me. But I don't know, I'm not losing sleep over it. They'll probably figure it out soon enough without making too much of a scene.


Are they warning them, or just making threats?

Didn't Trump even hit German companies with financial sanctions and freeze their dollar accounts just for building Nord Stream 2?

He used to yell at Merkel about how she wasn't arming up or preparing for war.

Just keep cheering for those massive profits for American corporations! 👍

If you want to celebrate your own downfall and regression, you've got to be ready for it. 👍
Carol Johnson21 Carol Johnson21 Active Member
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#8495 ·
silentsurfer3 said:It honestly turns my stomach how everyone just automatically blames Russia without thinking—kind of like when that Striž jet went down near Washington, D.C. and everyone ended up blaming Ukrainians in the end.

I mean, yeah, it was most likely the Russians, but anyone on the list (the Americans, the Russians, the Ukrainians) has plenty of motivation to blow that pipeline sky-high.

The idea that Ukrainians would pull off sabotage of this scale, using a submarine in an ally's territory without anyone noticing and expecting zero repercussions? That's pure science fiction.

I get why you find it revolting that Russia is automatically cast as the villain in every scenario. But considering their criminal, deceptive, and downright villainous policies, is it really surprising? Your distaste only makes sense if you're looking at this through the lens of a Russian sympathizer.

Anyway, does anyone actually know what the situation looks like regarding Lyman?
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#8496 ·
The cyber warfare between the OneFist team and Russia has officially extended its reach into space.

A volunteer group within the Ukrainian IT Army has claimed they successfully compromised Russian satellite communications by hacking at least 12 ground-based command and control centers responsible for managing Yamal 401 and Ekspress-AM6 (Operation Polaris). The objective here is to sabotage the communication links used to manage remote fields and minefields. However, those same communication channels can be redirected toward troops and assets in Ukraine by exploiting terrestrial stations. Satellite data is primarily utilized for long-range reconnaissance and precision targeting of enemy movements. If Moscow has indeed been partially "blinded," the impact on their soldiers in the field would be catastrophic. Conversely, Kyiv stands to gain immensely, especially given the current momentum of the counteroffensive. It’s worth noting that Russia was actually the first to push cyber warfare into the orbital realm when they struck the Viasat KA-SAT service on February 24th—the very day the invasion began—disrupting connectivity for the Ukrainian military and thousands of users across Europe.
https://www.difesaesicurezza.com/en/...ia-into-space/
rustywalker82 rustywalker82 Active Member
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#8497 ·
Kate Cook27 said:The energy comes from Russia—specifically via TurkStream. 😁It’s honestly like if Ukrainian special forces had stormed the nuclear plant in Zaporizhzhia—just totally off base. Even the Russians aren't pointing fingers at the Ukrainians for this one; they're putting the blame squarely on the Americans. 🕺It’s entirely possible that Ukrainians could have been behind the sabotage of the pipeline running through Ukraine.

Yeah, they rebranded it as the Turkish Stream just to distance it from that failed Russian South Stream project. That one had way more capacity, but the Bulgarians shut it down before it could hit their coast because of pressure from the EU and the US... you basically have to change the whole name of the pipeline to make it work.😁

I'm not sure who the Russians are officially pinning the Nord Stream 1 and 2 attacks on right now, but just a week ago, they were going all out with "evidence," accusing Ukraine of trying to pull off some terrorist explosive attack on underwater gas infrastructure meant for Europe.
Either way, if you're sabotaging pipelines on land, it's a lot harder to hide who did it. And you definitely can't hide if someone is intentionally messing with the repairs.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#8498 ·
bluepuma9 said:The Baltic is pretty shallow, especially in the area where the damage happened. You wouldn't even need a sub; regular divers could handle it easily. It’s actually simpler that way—you could just use any civilian boat to ferry them close to the site.

Do you honestly believe a surface vessel loitering at a site for extended periods wouldn't raise eyebrows? I think it would. Besides, once you have to descend to those depths—maybe 300 feet?—you need both the personnel and the specialized gear to pull it off. It isn't quite that straightforward.
bluepuma9 bluepuma9 Active Member
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#8499 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:Do you honestly believe a surface vessel loitering at a site for extended periods wouldn't raise eyebrows? I think it would. Besides, once you have to descend to those depths—maybe 300 feet?—you need both the personnel and the specialized gear to pull it off. It isn't quite that straightforward.

Why does there even need to be a long stay... just drop them off nearby, maybe use a dinghy, then circle back later. There's so much traffic out there that anything unusual just blends in. And it's not 100 meters deep anyway; we're talking more like 50 meters.
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#8500 ·
Antikapitalist said:Total financial illiteracy again. Seriously, people don't have a clue how even the basic banking system works.

People keep spinning these wild fantasies about Russia going bankrupt... they love that narrative, but honestly? The reality on the ground is the exact opposite.

They don't even need foreign reserves since they aren't tied to the dollar or the euro. Plus, they don't need outside loans—their own banking system handles all the financing.

The only real hit Russia is taking is that they can't buy American or European goods and services directly anymore. Everything else is business as usual—they’re still trading just fine with the rest of the world.

☕Look, I don't know how much you guys actually know about money... or if you're totally clueless.

But based on what you just said, 🙂Gotta hit the books again. Seriously. 🤣

Russia's economy is a total mess right now. Inflation is through the roof and they're basically propping up the ruble artificially—its real value is probably 50-60% lower than what you see on paper.

Don't even get me started on how those sanctions and trade bans with their biggest partners were already hitting the EU and the West hard before the war even kicked off...

They’re so cut off from everyone else that they're practically begging China and India to take their oil and gas at a 40% discount just to get some cash flowing.
🕺I reckon their roses have totally wilted. They aren't blooming again for at least another 50 years, minimum.

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