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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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granitescout32 granitescout32 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2011
#8701 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:If the pressure had truly been dropped that low right before the sabotage—assuming the pipeline sits 330 feet below the ocean floor—we wouldn't be seeing this massive plume of gas bubbles on the surface. At that depth, the ocean exerts more pressure than those alleged 7 bars. Since gas is lighter than water, some would certainly escape to the surface depending on the hole's size and location, but it wouldn't manifest in such a concentrated, massive volume. The reality is that the pipeline was under significant pressure; it’s been leaking for days (which explains the dropping pressure), and the breach itself is substantial—potentially a full-section rupture.

I'm really not sure, maybe check with McElligott...
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
705 messages
joined Feb 2022
#8702 ·
https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveKeati...C4-YCD_dsrAAAA

Now the heavy hitters from Western economies are finally stepping up, bringing out those secondary sanctions to squeeze anyone even thinking about doing business with Russians.

It’s basically "us versus them" now.

Honestly, at least now it makes sense why Turks, Armenians, Vietnamese, Kazakhs, and Uzbeks all suddenly went on a massive spree buying up those Russian MIR cards a few days ago—they clearly saw this coming.
stormybear25 stormybear25 Active Member
62 messages
joined Sep 2022
#8703 ·
Reports of a massive fire near Brivilka in the Kherson region—could be a gas pipeline breach
rustywalker82 rustywalker82 Active Member
203 messages
joined Feb 2013
#8704 ·
hollowdriver13 said:https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveKeati...C4-YCD_dsrAAAA

Now the heavy hitters from Western economies are finally stepping up, bringing out those secondary sanctions to squeeze anyone even thinking about doing business with Russians.

It’s basically "us versus them" now.

Honestly, at least now it makes sense why Turks, Armenians, Vietnamese, Kazakhs, and Uzbeks all suddenly went on a massive spree buying up those Russian MIR cards a few days ago—they clearly saw this coming.

Look, sanctions are meant to target specific goods coming from countries that are already under embargoes (until now, it was just about banned items).
If what you're saying were true, it would basically wipe out all Russian foreign trade entirely by sanctioning anything greater than zero.
Gary Wilson Gary Wilson Active Member
134 messages
joined Aug 2010
#8705 ·
Russia is essentially just a larger version of North Korea—at least for right now.

A total loose cannon with a nuclear arsenal.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
571 messages
joined Aug 2019
#8706 ·
Sorry, pressure drops were the first thing I caught wind of. Here’s how it went down:

Source: U.S. Geological Survey (USGS)

September 26th
- 02:03 local time—seismograph picks up a 2.3 magnitude tremor on the
Richter
scale - Germans reporting pressure drops
- 19:03—another one, 2.1 magnitude

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cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
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joined Nov 2023
#8707 ·
The Kremlin’s lapdog Tucker Carlson is whining about the fate of the pipeline, suggesting the Biden administration might have sabotaged it. Russian state media is eating this up, treating it like it’s some profound truth. It’s pathetic.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuck...tream-pipeline

I can't find the exact clip of the Russians right now, but they basically aired the whole segment on one of those propaganda shows of theirs.
Noah Sanchez2 Noah Sanchez2 Member
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joined Jun 2022
#8708 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:If the pressure had truly been dropped that low right before the sabotage—assuming the pipeline sits 330 feet below the ocean floor—we wouldn't be seeing this massive plume of gas bubbles on the surface. At that depth, the ocean exerts more pressure than those alleged 7 bars. Since gas is lighter than water, some would certainly escape to the surface depending on the hole's size and location, but it wouldn't manifest in such a concentrated, massive volume. The reality is that the pipeline was under significant pressure; it’s been leaking for days (which explains the dropping pressure), and the breach itself is substantial—potentially a full-section rupture.

At a depth of 100m, you're looking at 10 bars of pressure relative to the atmosphere. If the gas line only had 7 bars of pressure when it broke, the gas would just keep venting if the pipe is laid horizontally or has any slight slope at all. Given how long these pipelines are, they're usually laid on relatively flat seabeds after the ground is prepared. Water would only stop the gas from escaping if the pipe was at a steep enough angle that the 10 bars of external pressure pushed against the 7 bars of internal gas (think of the diving bell principle). You can test this easily: take a clear glass bottle, cap it, submerge it horizontally in a container of water, then unscrew the cap and watch how the water rushes in to displace the air.

Since we've been seeing gas escaping for days, it clearly means water is forcing its way in and "pushing" the gas out. It’s not like anyone is pumping gas back in with compressors.

Bottom line? That pipeline is finished. Even if repairs started today, they'd take months, which is more than enough time for water to corrode the interior. I'd bet it's cheaper for them to just dry out the gas before sending it through rather than building an entire pipeline out of stainless steel.

By the way, could some kind of seabed shift have snapped the pipe? An earthquake was recorded, but a 2.4 on the Richter scale seems too small. Pipelines are flexible because of their length, so you'd need a localized displacement of several dozen meters to cause that kind of damage.
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#8709 ·
Sweden uncovers fourth gas leak from "Nordic Flow" pipelines

The Swedish Coast Guard has detected a fourth instance of gas leaking from the "Nordic Flow" lines, following the three previous leaks already documented.

This was reported by Svenska Dagbladet.

Two of these four leak sites are located within the Swedish economic zone. Coast Guard officials are currently working across multiple agencies to determine exactly what transpired. Sweden is conducting its own investigation and is operating under the suspicion of deliberate, heavy-duty sabotage.

On September 26, Russia recorded an abrupt pressure drop in both of its pipelines heading toward Europe—specifically the "Nordic Flow" and the "Nordic Flow–2," the latter of which never actually entered service. Both pipelines are effectively non-functional, failing to transport any gas from Russia to Europe.

The Danish Army released footage showing the gas escaping, and seismologists have confirmed they recorded underwater explosions. Across the European Union, there is a prevailing belief that these Russian pipelines were targeted by saboteurs.
The CIA had previously warned Germany that the Russian pipelines might be subject to sabotage. In Sweden, the consensus is that explosions definitely occurred.

According to The Times, there is a strong belief in Britain that Russia is involved in the Nord Stream explosions. The theory suggests they utilized underwater drones, potentially deployed from a small vessel like a fishing boat several months ago.

https://www.svd.se/a/y67kPE/det-ar-i...det-har-hander
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#8710 ·
It strikes me that we will never truly identify the saboteur in this instance, simply because nobody is going to claim responsibility for a job like this. Some analysts suggest we should just wait to see which undersea pipeline—or perhaps an LNG terminal—becomes the next target, using those future hits to point back at the likely culprits. In my view, that is a flawed way to assign blame; the folks over at the Kremlin have been making increasingly irrational moves for quite some time now. If the Kremlin is indeed behind this, there might be a slim, tenuous rationalization for it, but it certainly fits their established pattern of behavior.
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#8711 ·
Rather than relying on standard body armor, the latest batch of Russian infantry is being outfitted with more sophisticated protection, thanks to supplies secured by Patriarch Kiril himself.
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/st...21fVUXzAbrgh6w
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#8712 ·
Timothy Williams5 said:Rather than relying on standard body armor, the latest batch of Russian infantry is being outfitted with more sophisticated protection, thanks to supplies secured by Patriarch Kiril himself.
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/st...21fVUXzAbrgh6w

Holy water apparently offers better protection than some of the specific armor models the Russians have actually been using in this conflict....
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
325 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8713 ·
The Ukrainian military has successfully neutralized three S-300 missile systems positioned toward the Zaporizhzhia front

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato...direction.html
Olivia Turner49 Olivia Turner49 Active Member
51 messages
joined Nov 2015
#8714 ·
I don't know what to tell you guys, but "darkwood" just hits different. It’s one of those games that stays under your skin long after you’ve shut off the console. I was sitting there late last night, just me and a cold beer, getting absolutely lost in that atmosphere, and man, it’s heavy. It’s got that gritty, unsettling vibe that makes you second-guess every shadow moving in the corner of your eye. You know that feeling? Like you're being watched even when you're just scavenging for supplies? Yeah, that's it. It’s brutal, it’s unforgiving, and honestly, it’s kind of brilliant. If you haven't played it yet, you're seriously missing out on a masterclass in tension. kaže:
So, get this—another massive $1.1 billion aid package just dropped for Ukraine, and it includes another 18 HIMARS units. Honestly, at this point, it feels like we’re just stacking high-tech artillery on a conveyor belt heading straight to the front lines. It’s wild to see the scale of these shipments lately; one minute we're talking about small tactical adjustments, and the next, we're looking at billion-dollar chunks of hardware being shipped out. Just goes to show how much heavy lifting is happening behind the scenes to keep that momentum going.

So, the folks over in Ukraine are out there saying they need somewhere in the ballpark of 200 to 300 of those systems if they actually want to flip the script on this war and change the whole momentum. It’s a massive ask, honestly. Given how things have been going, you have to wonder if anyone's actually listening to that kind of request.
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
258 messages
joined Dec 2007
#8715 ·
The trend hasn't shifted in three weeks—honestly, we might be looking at a three-year wait before anything actually moves...
Carol Johnson21 Carol Johnson21 Active Member
73 messages
joined May 2023
#8716 ·
Olivia Turner49 said:
I don't know what to tell you guys, but "darkwood" just hits different. It’s one of those games that stays under your skin long after you’ve shut off the console. I was sitting there late last night, just me and a cold beer, getting absolutely lost in that atmosphere, and man, it’s heavy. It’s got that gritty, unsettling vibe that makes you second-guess every shadow moving in the corner of your eye. You know that feeling? Like you're being watched even when you're just scavenging for supplies? Yeah, that's it. It’s brutal, it’s unforgiving, and honestly, it’s kind of brilliant. If you haven't played it yet, you're seriously missing out on a masterclass in tension. kaže:
So, get this—another massive $1.1 billion aid package just dropped for Ukraine, and it includes another 18 HIMARS units. Honestly, at this point, it feels like we’re just stacking high-tech artillery on a conveyor belt heading straight to the front lines. It’s wild to see the scale of these shipments lately; one minute we're talking about small tactical adjustments, and the next, we're looking at billion-dollar chunks of hardware being shipped out. Just goes to show how much heavy lifting is happening behind the scenes to keep that momentum going.

So, the folks over in Ukraine are out there saying they need somewhere in the ballpark of 200 to 300 of those systems if they actually want to flip the script on this war and change the whole momentum. It’s a massive ask, honestly. Given how things have been going, you have to wonder if anyone's actually listening to that kind of request.

If you look at the map from five weeks ago compared to where things stand today, doesn't it seem like the tide has already shifted?
Walter Walker42 Walter Walker42 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2010
#8717 ·
I'm just sitting here waiting for some "fact-checker" to officially pin the blame on Russia for blowing up those pipelines, while simultaneously slapping a "fake news" label on anything that even breathes the word "American." Apparently, their journalists did a quick Google search and suddenly discovered that the Russians have these invisible stealth subs and elite squads of underwater saboteurs specifically trained just to blow up their own gas lines.

It’s honestly hilarious how many pages we've spent over here mocking the Russian military, their gear, their ships, and their drones, only for them to—out of nowhere—suddenly pull off the most insanely complex sabotage operation ever seen in a NATO backyard right in the middle of a NATO exercise. 😵
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
378 messages
joined Oct 2018
#8718 ·
Russia is going to call for a UN Security Council meeting regarding the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline. 🙏🙏

https://n1info.com/world/russia-nord-stream/
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
125 messages
joined Nov 2023
#8719 ·
rowdytiger13 said:Russia is going to call for a UN Security Council meeting regarding the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline. 🙏🙏

https://n1info.com/world/russia-nord-stream/

The entire free world is trembling! Journalists are completely lost.

As I have already stated, pure logic dictates that the Americans are behind this. I can only applaud them, especially seeing how these people whine. 👍
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#8720 ·
rowdytiger13 said:Russia is going to call for a UN Security Council meeting regarding the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline. 🙏🙏

https://n1info.com/world/russia-nord-stream/

🙏. Over on one Russian forum, people are saying that during this session, Russia might even push for the UN to recognize those four regions as Russian territory—basically demanding that everyone starts playing by international law again 🤣 😵.

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