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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#8721 ·
Terry Green3 said:We're off-topic anyway.
Let's drop it.

Does that include representatives from Mississippi, Chechnya, and those types of entities?

I really hope everyone counts 😁, especially people like that.

The local traitors have already fled to Russia—there’s an agreement being signed tomorrow to join up with Russia 🤣. Moscow will probably be locked down tomorrow because of it.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#8722 ·
Timothy Williams5 said:Rather than relying on standard body armor, the latest batch of Russian infantry is being outfitted with more sophisticated protection, thanks to supplies secured by Patriarch Kiril himself.
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/st...21fVUXzAbrgh6w

Honestly, this isn't surprising at all—Putin follows Dugin's lead. Dugin basically believes that Russia needs to "purge" its immorality through massive wars and huge sacrifices, thinking they can rebuild once the dust settles from those losses. Their core ideology hasn't shifted an inch since the days of the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union; it’s always been the same old playbook for them.
quietcobra21 quietcobra21 Member
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#8723 ·
cosmicgull52 said:The entire free world is trembling! Journalists are completely lost.

As I have already stated, pure logic dictates that the Americans are behind this. I can only applaud them, especially seeing how these people whine. 👍

From what I gather, Russia uses the NS1 and NS2 pipelines to sell gas to the European Union, and they use that cash to fund the war in Ukraine. No pipeline means no gas sales, which means no money for the war. Why would Russia cut off the very branch they’re sitting on?
If someone were actually going to blow up a pipeline, wouldn't it make more sense to hit the one running from Norway toward Poland? That way, they force the European Union to play ball on everything—from energy prices to how much weaponry gets sent to Ukraine. The fewer alternatives you have, the more you're forced to compromise. Simple math.
For years, the Americans have been telling the European Union—specifically the Germans—that they're too dependent on Russian gas and need to scale back. Now, it looks like the "nice" approach failed, so they're doing it the hard way. You even have that Polish politician publicly thanking the Americans for liberating them from Russian gas. I'm assuming the guy is sane and better informed than everyone on this forum combined. Etc, etc. But sure, let's all just pretend Martians did it instead.
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
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#8724 ·
Rumors are swirling online that they won't announce the annexation immediately. They clearly need more time for political maneuvering and media groundwork. It makes perfect sense. This is a point of no return where all bridges are burned forever. I am in favor of this move. I truly hope they don't disappoint me.
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#8725 ·
Look at this. They’re deploying 13 or 14 (!) officers just to detain one (!!) protester who was simply holding a solo picket with a sign saying, "Mobilize yourself, you bald idiot."

To reiterate, there are 13 or 14 of them!!!
And I can only assume there are a few more units currently patrolling the streets nearby. 🤦
dustyfalcon122 dustyfalcon122 Active Member
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joined Feb 2022
#8726 ·
John... what's your actual plan once you finally get those papers in hand? I mean, the borders have already been shut down for a while now...
quietcobra21 quietcobra21 Member
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#8727 ·
Jessica Peterson2 said:Look at this. They’re deploying 13 or 14 (!) officers just to detain one (!!) protester who was simply holding a solo picket with a sign saying, "Mobilize yourself, you bald idiot."

To reiterate, there are 13 or 14 of them!!!
And I can only assume there are a few more units currently patrolling the streets nearby. 🤦

You can see it on some of those cops' faces. They clearly agree with him, but hey, duty calls.
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#8728 ·
dustyfalcon122 said:John... what's your actual plan once you finally get those papers in hand? I mean, the borders have already been shut down for a while now...

First off, I’m no longer subject to the draft since I’ve already aged out of that particular obligation.
Secondly, let’s be realistic—the borders aren't closed yet.
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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#8729 ·
quietcobra21 said:You can see it on some of those cops' faces. They clearly agree with him, but hey, duty calls.

As far as I'm concerned, all I see written in massive letters across their faces is: THANK GOD WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO Ukraine AND DIE OVER THERE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE BEING LOYAL TO Putin's regime!
dustyfalcon122 dustyfalcon122 Active Member
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#8730 ·
Jessica Peterson2 said:First off, I’m no longer subject to the draft since I’ve already aged out of that particular obligation.
Secondly, let’s be realistic—the borders aren't closed yet.

That's great, I guess, though even that doesn't really guarantee anything.

Is anyone else seeing the stuff about Snowden?
The crowd on Twitter is just relentlessly trolling him over his citizenship status right now.
gentlestag15 gentlestag15 Regular
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#8731 ·
Jessica Peterson2 said:Look at this. They’re deploying 13 or 14 (!) officers just to detain one (!!) protester who was simply holding a solo picket with a sign saying, "Mobilize yourself, you bald idiot."

To reiterate, there are 13 or 14 of them!!!
And I can only assume there are a few more units currently patrolling the streets nearby. 🤦

I dig the poster. 👍
Look, there's like ten protesters gathered out there, but let's be real—Kharkiv is a city of over 570,000 people. This is honestly pretty bad.
If someone started handing out free shots of Jack Daniel's, you'd have thousands of people lining up around the block in seconds.

Jessica Peterson2 said:First off, I’m no longer subject to the draft since I’ve already aged out of that particular obligation.
Secondly, let’s be realistic—the borders aren't closed yet.

I mean, we already saw them pulling in guys who are sixty years old for mobilization.
Don't get ahead of yourself. 😁
boldotter2 boldotter2 Active Member
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#8732 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:It strikes me that we will never truly identify the saboteur in this instance, simply because nobody is going to claim responsibility for a job like this. Some analysts suggest we should just wait to see which undersea pipeline—or perhaps an LNG terminal—becomes the next target, using those future hits to point back at the likely culprits. In my view, that is a flawed way to assign blame; the folks over at the Kremlin have been making increasingly irrational moves for quite some time now. If the Kremlin is indeed behind this, there might be a slim, tenuous rationalization for it, but it certainly fits their established pattern of behavior.

The most logical take is that this was basically a threat, like... look what we can do to you...

It definitely wasn't a coincidence that this happened on the exact same day as the opening of the Baltic pipeline.
Plus, let's not forget that almost all global communication, the internet, and pretty much everything else relies on those undersea cables.

It shouldn't be too hard to figure out who benefits from showing just how fragile "Western decadence" really is. And generally speaking, who stands to gain from spreading fear?
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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joined Feb 2011
#8733 ·
gentlestag15 said:I dig the poster. 👍
Look, there's like ten protesters gathered out there, but let's be real—Kharkiv is a city of over 570,000 people. This is honestly pretty bad.
If someone started handing out free shots of Jack Daniel's, you'd have thousands of people lining up around the block in seconds.

I mean, we already saw them pulling in guys who are sixty years old for mobilization.
Don't get ahead of yourself. 😁

Everyone would show up if the incentive was right. 🎉

Russians aren't exactly used to stepping up and protesting, and honestly, who knows? Maybe they actually agree with Putin's policies.
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#8734 ·
dustyfalcon122 said:That's great, I guess, though even that doesn't really guarantee anything.

Is anyone else seeing the stuff about Snowden?
The crowd on Twitter is just relentlessly trolling him over his citizenship status right now.

Exactly. In this country, absolutely nothing is a sure thing, unfortunately. 🙄
Here in the States, there’s virtually zero chatter regarding Snowden. Most people don't even have a clue who he is or what he did, and frankly, the rest of them couldn't care less.🤷
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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joined Nov 2023
#8735 ·
quietcobra21 said:From what I gather, Russia uses the NS1 and NS2 pipelines to sell gas to the European Union, and they use that cash to fund the war in Ukraine. No pipeline means no gas sales, which means no money for the war. Why would Russia cut off the very branch they’re sitting on?
If someone were actually going to blow up a pipeline, wouldn't it make more sense to hit the one running from Norway toward Poland? That way, they force the European Union to play ball on everything—from energy prices to how much weaponry gets sent to Ukraine. The fewer alternatives you have, the more you're forced to compromise. Simple math.
For years, the Americans have been telling the European Union—specifically the Germans—that they're too dependent on Russian gas and need to scale back. Now, it looks like the "nice" approach failed, so they're doing it the hard way. You even have that Polish politician publicly thanking the Americans for liberating them from Russian gas. I'm assuming the guy is sane and better informed than everyone on this forum combined. Etc, etc. But sure, let's all just pretend Martians did it instead.

We can only assume he's making the same educated guesses we all are. If the Americans did pull something like this, there's no way they'd orchestrate it so that some former Polish minister could just broadcast that kind of info to the whole world.

Besides, Russ isn't even selling gas through NS1 anymore, and they never really used NS2 for that either. So, they aren't exactly sitting on that branch, nor do they have any hope of ever sitting on it again. The European side has already written off any investment in NS2 as a total loss.

We'll see what happens next, and that should make it pretty obvious who was playing what game. Honestly, I'm worried the Norwegian pipeline might be the next target.
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#8736 ·
For John and any other potential lambs to the slaughter:

This is easily the most comprehensive guide I've come across on how to dodge mobilization. It lays everything out with absolute clarity, providing a step-by-step breakdown along with the necessary justifications. It’s presented in a way that's actually easy to follow. Retweet this like crazy. We need more Americans to successfully refuse to die and kill for nothing.

https://twitter.com/AlekseiMiniailo/...9hIVlrX6eTj7Bw

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...tRw-xrB0Y/edit
(Google Docs document)
gentlestag15 gentlestag15 Regular
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joined May 2024
#8737 ·
Timothy Williams5 said:For John and any other potential lambs to the slaughter:

This is easily the most comprehensive guide I've come across on how to dodge mobilization. It lays everything out with absolute clarity, providing a step-by-step breakdown along with the necessary justifications. It’s presented in a way that's actually easy to follow. Retweet this like crazy. We need more Americans to successfully refuse to die and kill for nothing.

https://twitter.com/AlekseiMiniailo/...9hIVlrX6eTj7Bw

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...tRw-xrB0Y/edit
(Google Docs document)

maybe this beats a manual 😁
a buddy of mine once broke a Russian guy's arm with a baseball bat just so he wouldn't have to enlist
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status...08726814646272
Kate Lewis3 Kate Lewis3 Active Member
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#8738 ·
hiddeneagle98 said:We can only assume he's making the same educated guesses we all are. If the Americans did pull something like this, there's no way they'd orchestrate it so that some former Polish minister could just broadcast that kind of info to the whole world.

Besides, Russ isn't even selling gas through NS1 anymore, and they never really used NS2 for that either. So, they aren't exactly sitting on that branch, nor do they have any hope of ever sitting on it again. The European side has already written off any investment in NS2 as a total loss.

We'll see what happens next, and that should make it pretty obvious who was playing what game. Honestly, I'm worried the Norwegian pipeline might be the next target.

Word on the street is that Norway has made it crystal clear: if anyone tries to mess with—or actually succeeds in sabotaging—that pipeline, they’re going to treat it as a full-blown attack and trigger Article 5.
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#8739 ·
Is it time for the HIMARS afterparty?

https://twitter.com/SaintFeIIa/statu...aZD8CT9bncTR6g
boldotter2 boldotter2 Active Member
156 messages
joined Mar 2020
#8740 ·
hiddeneagle98 said:We can only assume he's making the same educated guesses we all are. If the Americans did pull something like this, there's no way they'd orchestrate it so that some former Polish minister could just broadcast that kind of info to the whole world.

Besides, Russ isn't even selling gas through NS1 anymore, and they never really used NS2 for that either. So, they aren't exactly sitting on that branch, nor do they have any hope of ever sitting on it again. The European side has already written off any investment in NS2 as a total loss.

We'll see what happens next, and that should make it pretty obvious who was playing what game. Honestly, I'm worried the Norwegian pipeline might be the next target.

Kate Lewis3 said:Word on the street is that Norway has made it crystal clear: if anyone tries to mess with—or actually succeeds in sabotaging—that pipeline, they’re going to treat it as a full-blown attack and trigger Article 5.

Taking out gas pipelines, comms lines, or satellites counts as an attack on the home country. I guess it doesn't even matter if they're in international waters or way up in space. That's probably why the Russians have been hitting "their own" stuff while staying low-key. It's just cowardly psyops, really.

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