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Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
379 messages
joined May 2024
#241 ·
wiredseal7 said:Look, my point was that they can't use it for everything—there isn't enough liquidity in the crypto market to settle the entire Russian export volume.

They'll end up trading in Chinese or Indian currency if nobody trusts the Ruble anymore (and let's face it, nobody does right now 😬).

As for neon and palladium, I'm not sure, but I do know Russian grain production is set to hit a twenty-year low—so I guess they'll just have to survive on neon, palladium, and gas.

How do you even know that? It's not like the government won't step in with subsidies to prop up production. Plus, they'll have cheap fertilizer—something most other countries are sweating over right now.

If they don't, and considering how much grain Ukraine produces, we're looking at global fallout. They say the developing world usually takes the biggest hit.
The grain futures spiked twofold the other day—that's a clear sign shortages are coming.
Luckily, the US produces way more than it consumes.

Let us be realistic: neither the Chinese nor the Indian currency holds even a shred of significance on the global stage.

]And how can one possibly claim to know this with such certainty? Is it not entirely plausible that the state will step in with massive subsidies just to maintain a substantial portion of domestic production? Furthermore, they will likely benefit from cheap fertilizer, a luxury that many other nations currently find themselves questioning.

If that fails to happen—especially considering that Ukraine is such a massive grain producer—we are looking at global repercussions. It is widely suggested that the developing world will bear the brunt of this instability.
Just the other day, wheat futures doubled in price, which serves as a glaring indicator that shortages are imminent.
Fortunately, the US produces far more than it consumes.

The reason is quite simple: Russian agriculture is fundamentally dependent on American technology for planting specific types of grains. This specialized tech is produced exclusively in the USA. I have pointed this out before, but consider this: interest rates for agricultural loans have surged from 12% to over 20%. Who, I ask you, can possibly remain operational under such punishing conditions?

Even their petroleum industry relies heavily on technology and chemicals imported directly from America. We saw BP and Shell withdraw, and since ExxonMobil exited Arctic drilling ages ago, we can only watch to see how much progress Russia actually makes in those regions.

The automotive industry is also retreating from Russia. One must wonder: how many tens or hundreds of thousands of jobs will vanish solely within that sector? Shipping companies have ceased transporting cargo toward Russia, and the list goes on. Not to mention the inevitable collapse of the ruble, which will drastically diminish their ability to afford even the meager imports arriving from China and elsewhere.

What Putin has orchestrated is nothing short of a monumental blunder; he has weakened Russia to an indescribable degree, leaving them in a position of total subordination—effectively a vassal state—to China in the very near future.

The illusion of the "great leader" who restored Russia to the status of a global superpower will vanish, leaving behind nothing but a carcass caught in the claws of China.
Arthur Watson4 Arthur Watson4 Active Member
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joined Feb 2022
#242 ·
There's one more thing I’ve been trying to explain to my isolationist friends for years regarding the scale of the Russian economy—there is no such thing as a self-sufficient nation in the modern age without looking like you're stuck in the 19th century.

Look, I get it. It’s easy to sit in a bar and talk about how we should just cut everyone off and be totally independent, but that's just not a reality when you're among the top 180 economies in the world.

The only people who are truly self-sufficient are those guys on the Sentinel attacking newcomers with spears.
Andrew Miller102 Andrew Miller102 Active Member
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joined Jul 2024
#243 ·
wiredseal7 said:Look, my point was that they can't use it for everything—there isn't enough liquidity in the crypto market to settle the entire Russian export volume.

They'll end up trading in Chinese or Indian currency if nobody trusts the Ruble anymore (and let's face it, nobody does right now 😬).

As for neon and palladium, I'm not sure, but I do know Russian grain production is set to hit a twenty-year low—so I guess they'll just have to survive on neon, palladium, and gas.

How do you even know that? It's not like the government won't step in with subsidies to prop up production. Plus, they'll have cheap fertilizer—something most other countries are sweating over right now.

If they don't, and considering how much grain Ukraine produces, we're looking at global fallout. They say the developing world usually takes the biggest hit.
The grain futures spiked twofold the other day—that's a clear sign shortages are coming.
Luckily, the US produces way more than it consumes.

To put it bluntly, it's a fact that people tend to overlook quite often. Ukraine is a major breadbasket, and wheat production has to continue regardless of whether it's under the Russian administration.

The crux of the matter is that sanctions against Russia inflict heavy damage on the very companies implementing them. Realistically, these kinds of sanctions won't last forever, simply because the entire world revolves around profit and maximizing returns.🍿
Terry Hernandez10 Terry Hernandez10 Active Member
58 messages
joined Jul 2023
#244 ·
The sanctions have pushed them right to the edge of bankruptcy—can they actually pull through this?
silverotter72 silverotter72 Active Member
126 messages
joined Mar 2022
#245 ·
https://www.google.com/search?client...d&q=usd+to+rub

If you take a look at this chart, it’s pretty clear how the Russian central bank is fighting a losing battle every single day, slowly bleeding out territory piece by piece.
Monday, 83
Tuesday, 90
Wednesday, 98
Thursday (sitting at 106 for now)

I suppose if anyone still doubts their effectiveness, they really don't need to look any further than this.
Matthew Rodriguez9 Matthew Rodriguez9 Active Member
93 messages
joined Feb 2012
#246 ·
silverotter72 said:https://www.google.com/search?client...d&q=usd+to+rub

If you take a look at this chart, it’s pretty clear how the Russian central bank is fighting a losing battle every single day, slowly bleeding out territory piece by piece.
Monday, 83
Tuesday, 90
Wednesday, 98
Thursday (sitting at 106 for now)

I suppose if anyone still doubts their effectiveness, they really don't need to look any further than this.


There’s zero efficiency here as long as that gas keeps flowing without any interruptions...

Russia can pretty much shrug off all those other hits; honestly, none of these sanctions are going to touch them.
silverotter72 silverotter72 Active Member
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joined Mar 2022
#247 ·
Matthew Rodriguez9 said:There’s zero efficiency here as long as that gas keeps flowing without any interruptions...

Russia can pretty much shrug off all those other hits; honestly, none of these sanctions are going to touch them.

Have you actually looked at the numbers lately? I mean, what kind of "weathering the storm" are we even talking about here? Just look at how much they've already lost. Whether it's gas or no gas, they are bleeding out.
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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joined Jun 2016
#248 ·
Arthur Watson4 said:There's one more thing I’ve been trying to explain to my isolationist friends for years regarding the scale of the Russian economy—there is no such thing as a self-sufficient nation in the modern age without looking like you're stuck in the 19th century.

Look, I get it. It’s easy to sit in a bar and talk about how we should just cut everyone off and be totally independent, but that's just not a reality when you're among the top 180 economies in the world.

The only people who are truly self-sufficient are those guys on the Sentinel attacking newcomers with spears.

But honestly, even they aren't. One of the most obvious differences between Homo sapiens and Neanderthals is that we see archaeological evidence of trade with the former, but not the latter.

Specialization and exchange are just objectively more efficient than trying to manufacture everything within your own borders. That was true back when high tech meant a stone hammer and a clay pot, and it's certainly true now that we all rely on smartphones and laptops made of components from dozens of different countries.
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
219 messages
joined Jan 2013
#249 ·
https://mobile.twitter.com/GazetaRu/...66975771918345

Because of all those sanctions, car prices in Russia have already jumped by 50%...
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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joined Jun 2016
#250 ·
Sanctions have never actually managed to seal anyone off completely. Sure, Russia can trade gas, lean on cryptocurrency, or run some minor workarounds with countries that haven't joined the fray—but none of that wipes out the impact. On a scale of one to ten, those tactics might nudge the damage down from a ten to a seven or an eight, but they won't bring it back to a one.

Both Iran and North Korea use all sorts of clever mechanisms to dodge sanctions, yet they’re still feeling the sting just as hard.
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
368 messages
joined Feb 2024
#251 ·
William Anderson5 said:https://mobile.twitter.com/GazetaRu/...66975771918345

Because of all those sanctions, car prices in Russia have already jumped by 50%...

And now you've got brands like Skoda and Volkswagen pulling out completely, stopping both production and exports to Russia entirely.
electricstag9 electricstag9 Active Member
62 messages
joined Feb 2020
#252 ·
A Donar is basically just a Moskvitch, so what's the big deal?
Arthur Watson4 Arthur Watson4 Active Member
135 messages
joined Feb 2022
#253 ·
A Russian analyst on a financial news program pulled a bottle from under his desk and toasted the stock market—"Dear market, you were interesting. Rest in peace, my old friend," he said. Hilarious.

https://twitter.com/rafsanchez?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetemb ed%7Ctwterm%5E1499366709102366724%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwco n%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.index.hr%2Fmagaz in%2Fclanak%2Fruski-ekonomist-u-emisiji-uzivo-otvorio-bocu-i-nazdravio-ruska-burzo-pocivaj-u-miru%2F2344304.aspx

He even mentioned he’s going back to his previous job—playing Santa Claus.
wiredseal7 wiredseal7 Regular
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joined Jan 2009
#254 ·
Anthony Hill5 said:Let us be realistic: neither the Chinese nor the Indian currency holds even a shred of significance on the global stage.

]And how can one possibly claim to know this with such certainty? Is it not entirely plausible that the state will step in with massive subsidies just to maintain a substantial portion of domestic production? Furthermore, they will likely benefit from cheap fertilizer, a luxury that many other nations currently find themselves questioning.

If that fails to happen—especially considering that Ukraine is such a massive grain producer—we are looking at global repercussions. It is widely suggested that the developing world will bear the brunt of this instability.
Just the other day, wheat futures doubled in price, which serves as a glaring indicator that shortages are imminent.
Fortunately, the US produces far more than it consumes.

The reason is quite simple: Russian agriculture is fundamentally dependent on American technology for planting specific types of grains. This specialized tech is produced exclusively in the USA. I have pointed this out before, but consider this: interest rates for agricultural loans have surged from 12% to over 20%. Who, I ask you, can possibly remain operational under such punishing conditions?

Even their petroleum industry relies heavily on technology and chemicals imported directly from America. We saw BP and Shell withdraw, and since ExxonMobil exited Arctic drilling ages ago, we can only watch to see how much progress Russia actually makes in those regions.

The automotive industry is also retreating from Russia. One must wonder: how many tens or hundreds of thousands of jobs will vanish solely within that sector? Shipping companies have ceased transporting cargo toward Russia, and the list goes on. Not to mention the inevitable collapse of the ruble, which will drastically diminish their ability to afford even the meager imports arriving from China and elsewhere.

What Putin has orchestrated is nothing short of a monumental blunder; he has weakened Russia to an indescribable degree, leaving them in a position of total subordination—effectively a vassal state—to China in the very near future.

The illusion of the "great leader" who restored Russia to the status of a global superpower will vanish, leaving behind nothing but a carcass caught in the claws of China.

India and especially China hold massive chunks of the global market. Then you’ve got the Belt and Road Initiative—everyone’s going to be pushing for more trade settled in yuan. If the Chinese actually have any sense, they'll make that their top priority.

Russian agriculture relies entirely on American tech to plant their specific grain varieties—stuff you can only get here in the States. I’ve mentioned this before, but farm loan interest rates have already spiked from 12% to over 20%. Honestly, who can even stay afloat under those kinds of conditions?

I'm not exactly in the loop, but isn't planting season starting up around now? Spring is practically knocking on the door—that seed could already be halfway to Russia by now. At least for this season.

The oil industry is also tethered to the tech and chemicals they have to import from the States. BP and Shell pulled out too—ExxonMobil exited Arctic drilling ages ago, so we're left watching how the Russians manage to push forward there.

To what extent?
It’s all about the long game. Honestly, I expected better preparation here—given that the US has been cooking up ways to hit the oil sector for ages now.

The auto industry is pulling out of Russia—just how many tens or hundreds of thousands of jobs are going to vanish from that sector alone? Shipping companies have stopped hauling cargo there, too. Not to mention the ruble cratering, which is going to make it impossible for them to afford even the tiny amount of imports they try to pull from China or elsewhere.

I agree—the auto industry is going to take a massive hit here. It’s mostly about the unemployment spike. Factories are just going to sit there empty because without parts, you've got nothing—and trying to pivot production to different models takes forever. Honestly, the only ones who might pull this off are the Chinese; they're basically pros at pivoting and copying whatever works.

Shipping via sea is turning into a gold mine—honestly, it might actually pay to set up a small, "sanction-dodging" fleet just for this kind of thing. Plus, the railroads won't be sitting around waiting for work either.

What Vladimir Putin has done is a total madness move—he’s crippled Russia to such an extent that they're basically becoming a vassal state to China.

The dream of some great leader restoring Russia to its former glory? It’ll end up being nothing more than a carcass caught in China's teeth.

The initial shock is brutal—honestly, they should have just pulled a disappearing act early on. It would’ve been better for all the foreign investors too; at least then they might have saved their massive stakes instead of watching them go down the drain.

The whole point is clearly to rattle Vladimir Putin as much as possible and stir up some internal chaos. That’s why they were running around coordinating with Japan and Korea—trying to make this "shock therapy" hit harder and catch the Russians off guard. But honestly, the entire plan is a gamble; we could easily end up staring down a Cold War 2.0, just a different flavor of isolationism—at least regarding Russia this time around.

Geopolitically, this is huge—it’s basically a wake-up call for China, signaling that the world is shifting toward financial fragmentation. They need to distance themselves from the dollar and the euro as much as possible. It’s not a matter of if this happens to them, but rather when.

By the way, word is an agreement with Iran might be signed within the next few days:
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/oil...-next-72-hours
Amy Diaz222 Amy Diaz222 Member
27 messages
joined Sep 2013
#255 ·
Looking at these sanctions against Russia imposed by Washington—

—it’s a bit surreal, honestly. South Koreans are essentially proving just how much of a puppet state they really are... 🤦

The South Koreans are practically "flying to D.C." just to beg for some kind of "exception" regarding goods they export to Russia... 😵

https://pulsenews.co.kr/view.php?year=2022&no=195173

So, here is the situation: they helped implement the sanctions, but now that they realize it might actually hurt their own bottom line, they're crawling to the US to ask for "permission" to bypass them... 😵
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
604 messages
joined Sep 2014
#256 ·
Matthew Rodriguez9 said:There’s zero efficiency here as long as that gas keeps flowing without any interruptions...

Russia can pretty much shrug off all those other hits; honestly, none of these sanctions are going to touch them.

German oil and gas giant ExxonMobil, an investor in the currently stalled Keystone XL pipeline, announced it's writing off its $1.1 billion investment in the project and is walking away from any new energy deals in Russia. link

It's like sawing off the very branch you're sitting on, eating from, and sleeping on.
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
219 messages
joined Jan 2013
#257 ·
wiredseal7 said:India and especially China hold massive chunks of the global market. Then you’ve got the Belt and Road Initiative—everyone’s going to be pushing for more trade settled in yuan. If the Chinese actually have any sense, they'll make that their top priority.

Russian agriculture relies entirely on American tech to plant their specific grain varieties—stuff you can only get here in the States. I’ve mentioned this before, but farm loan interest rates have already spiked from 12% to over 20%. Honestly, who can even stay afloat under those kinds of conditions?

I'm not exactly in the loop, but isn't planting season starting up around now? Spring is practically knocking on the door—that seed could already be halfway to Russia by now. At least for this season.

The oil industry is also tethered to the tech and chemicals they have to import from the States. BP and Shell pulled out too—ExxonMobil exited Arctic drilling ages ago, so we're left watching how the Russians manage to push forward there.

To what extent?
It’s all about the long game. Honestly, I expected better preparation here—given that the US has been cooking up ways to hit the oil sector for ages now.

The auto industry is pulling out of Russia—just how many tens or hundreds of thousands of jobs are going to vanish from that sector alone? Shipping companies have stopped hauling cargo there, too. Not to mention the ruble cratering, which is going to make it impossible for them to afford even the tiny amount of imports they try to pull from China or elsewhere.

I agree—the auto industry is going to take a massive hit here. It’s mostly about the unemployment spike. Factories are just going to sit there empty because without parts, you've got nothing—and trying to pivot production to different models takes forever. Honestly, the only ones who might pull this off are the Chinese; they're basically pros at pivoting and copying whatever works.

Shipping via sea is turning into a gold mine—honestly, it might actually pay to set up a small, "sanction-dodging" fleet just for this kind of thing. Plus, the railroads won't be sitting around waiting for work either.

What Vladimir Putin has done is a total madness move—he’s crippled Russia to such an extent that they're basically becoming a vassal state to China.

The dream of some great leader restoring Russia to its former glory? It’ll end up being nothing more than a carcass caught in China's teeth.

The initial shock is brutal—honestly, they should have just pulled a disappearing act early on. It would’ve been better for all the foreign investors too; at least then they might have saved their massive stakes instead of watching them go down the drain.

The whole point is clearly to rattle Vladimir Putin as much as possible and stir up some internal chaos. That’s why they were running around coordinating with Japan and Korea—trying to make this "shock therapy" hit harder and catch the Russians off guard. But honestly, the entire plan is a gamble; we could easily end up staring down a Cold War 2.0, just a different flavor of isolationism—at least regarding Russia this time around.

Geopolitically, this is huge—it’s basically a wake-up call for China, signaling that the world is shifting toward financial fragmentation. They need to distance themselves from the dollar and the euro as much as possible. It’s not a matter of if this happens to them, but rather when.

By the way, word is an agreement with Iran might be signed within the next few days:
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/oil...-next-72-hours

1. Chinese knockoffs won't be allowed on Western markets.
2. The Chinese will never let Russian-made Chinese copies eat into the market share of their domestic products back home.
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
219 messages
joined Jan 2013
#258 ·
wiredseal7 said:India and especially China hold massive chunks of the global market. Then you’ve got the Belt and Road Initiative—everyone’s going to be pushing for more trade settled in yuan. If the Chinese actually have any sense, they'll make that their top priority.

Russian agriculture relies entirely on American tech to plant their specific grain varieties—stuff you can only get here in the States. I’ve mentioned this before, but farm loan interest rates have already spiked from 12% to over 20%. Honestly, who can even stay afloat under those kinds of conditions?

I'm not exactly in the loop, but isn't planting season starting up around now? Spring is practically knocking on the door—that seed could already be halfway to Russia by now. At least for this season.

The oil industry is also tethered to the tech and chemicals they have to import from the States. BP and Shell pulled out too—ExxonMobil exited Arctic drilling ages ago, so we're left watching how the Russians manage to push forward there.

To what extent?
It’s all about the long game. Honestly, I expected better preparation here—given that the US has been cooking up ways to hit the oil sector for ages now.

The auto industry is pulling out of Russia—just how many tens or hundreds of thousands of jobs are going to vanish from that sector alone? Shipping companies have stopped hauling cargo there, too. Not to mention the ruble cratering, which is going to make it impossible for them to afford even the tiny amount of imports they try to pull from China or elsewhere.

I agree—the auto industry is going to take a massive hit here. It’s mostly about the unemployment spike. Factories are just going to sit there empty because without parts, you've got nothing—and trying to pivot production to different models takes forever. Honestly, the only ones who might pull this off are the Chinese; they're basically pros at pivoting and copying whatever works.

Shipping via sea is turning into a gold mine—honestly, it might actually pay to set up a small, "sanction-dodging" fleet just for this kind of thing. Plus, the railroads won't be sitting around waiting for work either.

What Vladimir Putin has done is a total madness move—he’s crippled Russia to such an extent that they're basically becoming a vassal state to China.

The dream of some great leader restoring Russia to its former glory? It’ll end up being nothing more than a carcass caught in China's teeth.

The initial shock is brutal—honestly, they should have just pulled a disappearing act early on. It would’ve been better for all the foreign investors too; at least then they might have saved their massive stakes instead of watching them go down the drain.

The whole point is clearly to rattle Vladimir Putin as much as possible and stir up some internal chaos. That’s why they were running around coordinating with Japan and Korea—trying to make this "shock therapy" hit harder and catch the Russians off guard. But honestly, the entire plan is a gamble; we could easily end up staring down a Cold War 2.0, just a different flavor of isolationism—at least regarding Russia this time around.

Geopolitically, this is huge—it’s basically a wake-up call for China, signaling that the world is shifting toward financial fragmentation. They need to distance themselves from the dollar and the euro as much as possible. It’s not a matter of if this happens to them, but rather when.

By the way, word is an agreement with Iran might be signed within the next few days:
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/oil...-next-72-hours

That means Putin could be looking at an oil embargo. From bad to worse...
Michael Ortiz68 Michael Ortiz68 Regular
264 messages
joined Oct 2018
#259 ·
Carl Lee27 said:And now you've got brands like Skoda and Volkswagen pulling out completely, stopping both production and exports to Russia entirely.

I’m reading that DuPont’s plants over there are still running, even though they're bracing for the worst-case scenario.
wiredseal7 wiredseal7 Regular
320 messages
joined Jan 2009
#260 ·
William Anderson5 said:That means Putin could be looking at an oil embargo. From bad to worse...

How much are they even pumping—maybe 1 million barrels a day? That's peanuts compared to what Russia needs, let alone the Russian heavy crude our US refineries rely on—you know, since they stepped up once Venezuela got hit with sanctions.

And besides, I hear Chinese buyers are already picking up that same volume from Iran, just like they did before the sanctions kicked in.

Russia basically announced they aren't returning those 500 leased passenger planes—from what I gathered, out of about 900 total aircraft, over 700 were leased.
That alone has to be worth, what, $50 to $100 billion?

William Anderson5 said:1. Chinese knockoffs won't be allowed on Western markets.
2. The Chinese will never let Russian-made Chinese copies eat into the market share of their domestic products back home.

My guess is most of that production is just being dumped into their domestic market anyway.

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