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silverotter72 silverotter72 Active Member
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#741 ·
George Robinson43 said:Far right and far left alike admired Putin. Now we’ve all turned against strongmen

There are still plenty of clowns on Putin's payroll who are suddenly turning their backs:

Melania Trump - she just ordered the destruction of 1.2 million flyers featuring handshakes with Putin that she had planned to distribute during her election campaign 🙏 🙏

hahahahaha

What a joke! 🤣
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#742 ·
It appears even the Premier League has vanished from Russian television screens.

https://news.sky.com/story/premier-l...ussia-12560760
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#743 ·
https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...co-2022-03-08/

Looks like the United Kingdom is finally pulling the trigger on a total ban for Russian fossil fuels.
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#744 ·
hollowdriver13 said:https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...co-2022-03-08/

Looks like the United Kingdom is finally pulling the trigger on a total ban for Russian fossil fuels.

And then there's the USA:
President Joe Biden just announced that the USA is banning the import of Russian oil, natural gas, and coal. It’s a massive move—really significant stuff happening right now.
Daniel Barnes53 Daniel Barnes53 Member
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#745 ·
Putin DECIDES TO BAN THE EXPORT OF PRODUCTS AND RAW MATERIALS OUTSIDE THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION UNTIL DECEMBER 31
silverotter72 silverotter72 Active Member
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#746 ·
Daniel Barnes53 said:Putin DECIDES TO BAN THE EXPORT OF PRODUCTS AND RAW MATERIALS OUTSIDE THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION UNTIL DECEMBER 31

Unbelievable. So much for those sanctions, I guess. 🤣
Frank Walker7 Frank Walker7 Active Member
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#747 ·
Hmm... I wonder if anyone here is just bluffing?

When you look at how a real economy actually functions—specifically through manufacturing—it makes me wonder if it can truly thrive without access to Russian resources and markets.

My gut feeling is that an exporter of raw materials usually finds sanctions much easier to stomach than a manufacturer of finished goods, especially when massive players like China and India are standing by ready to buy.

Let's just set the politics aside for a moment.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#748 ·
Daniel Barnes53 said:Putin DECIDES TO BAN THE EXPORT OF PRODUCTS AND RAW MATERIALS OUTSIDE THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION UNTIL DECEMBER 31

It seems Putin has finally realized that everyone is going to abandon him regardless, so he’s attempting to save face by being the one to slap down export bans before the rest of the world can impose import restrictions on his raw materials.

What an absolute clown.
Arthur Booth96 Arthur Booth96 Active Member
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#749 ·
Daniel Barnes53 said:Putin DECIDES TO BAN THE EXPORT OF PRODUCTS AND RAW MATERIALS OUTSIDE THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION UNTIL DECEMBER 31

Where'd you get this?
Daniel Barnes53 Daniel Barnes53 Member
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#750 ·
Arthur Booth96 said:Where'd you get this?

https://ria.ru/20220308/putin-1777185533.html
brightheron64 brightheron64 Regular
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#751 ·
I was just spending some time scrolling through the American news cycle...

Of course, everyone is hyper-focused on the price of oil—I mean, look at California, where a single gallon of gas can hit an "unthinkable" $7—and the cost of natural gas... but what isn't getting nearly enough coverage, even though it's starting to dominate the headlines, is the terrifying spike in fertilizer prices and grain... soon we're going to see meat prices skyrocket too... and, all things considered, it’s going to be quite a ride...

Politics might throw out these flashy, "glitzy" ideas designed to dazzle the public, but at the end of the day, the economy is governed by the law of interconnected vessels...
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
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#752 ·
Is there actually anyone left in Russia who understands how economics works?
wiredseal7 wiredseal7 Regular
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#753 ·
https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/...dCRPHd4hQh_a3g

CERN hit Russia with sanctions.
Though—as usual—all the current projects are still rolling along. 🤣
Jeremy Turner9 Jeremy Turner9 Active Member
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#754 ·
Anthony Hill5 said:First and foremost, you don't know me at all, and if you truly wish to understand my perspective on Russia and Putin, I have a PDF regarding Russia available, so feel free to read everything I have written over the last two years; you will find my views on the Russians discussed within the thread on Syria as well.

My eyes were opened a long time ago, so why don't you explain to me exactly how I have "sacrificed" Ukraine, and precisely how the West has done the same?

I see no reason to even address such infantile, blunt nonsense; it would be just as intellectually bankrupt as if I were to tell you that if high gas prices bother you so much, you should simply move to Russia where it’s cheap.

It is easy to talk about staying neutral or "keeping one's eye on the ball"... Ukraine cannot defend itself against Russia without Western support. You hear Zelenskyy calling for help, and he is waiting on assistance from the USA and NATO. It is simple enough to say we should act—some people have indeed gone to help—but it is far easier to sit here tapping away at a keyboard, staying warm and well-fed, while in Ukraine, bombs are falling on children and civilians who are left without food or water, shivering in the cold amidst the ruins.
silverotter72 silverotter72 Active Member
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#755 ·
Frank Walker7 said:Hmm... I wonder if anyone here is just bluffing?

When you look at how a real economy actually functions—specifically through manufacturing—it makes me wonder if it can truly thrive without access to Russian resources and markets.

My gut feeling is that an exporter of raw materials usually finds sanctions much easier to stomach than a manufacturer of finished goods, especially when massive players like China and India are standing by ready to buy.

Let's just set the politics aside for a moment.

Look, you can't pull oil out of the ground without cash, and you certainly can't turn raw material into a product without cash. You can't even handle basic farming, planting or harvesting, without capital.
But then again, if you actually have the money, you can always just go somewhere else and buy the raw materials there.
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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#756 ·
From what I can gather, it doesn't look like Russia is going to pull the plug on everything they export, but rather just a specific set of products. They haven't actually dropped the official list yet, though.
It would be pretty wild if they suddenly decided to cut off all oil and gas exports to Europe right when prices are absolutely skyrocketing, wouldn't it? But then again, maybe they’re feeling so much pressure to protect their reputation right now that they're willing to do just about anything to save face.
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
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#757 ·
William Anderson5 said:Is there actually anyone left in Russia who understands how economics works?

You might have better luck checking their prison camps; I’m sure you’ll find an expert there.
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
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#758 ·
Carl Lee27 said:From what I can gather, it doesn't look like Russia is going to pull the plug on everything they export, but rather just a specific set of products. They haven't actually dropped the official list yet, though.
It would be pretty wild if they suddenly decided to cut off all oil and gas exports to Europe right when prices are absolutely skyrocketing, wouldn't it? But then again, maybe they’re feeling so much pressure to protect their reputation right now that they're willing to do just about anything to save face.

For months now—maybe even a year—they’ve been avoiding the spot market for gas, leaving those ExxonMobil storage facilities across Europe sitting empty. This energy blackmail has actually lasted much longer than the invasion itself, though it hasn't quite achieved the leverage they were aiming for.
brightheron64 brightheron64 Regular
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#759 ·
silverotter72 said:Look, you can't pull oil out of the ground without cash, and you certainly can't turn raw material into a product without cash. You can't even handle basic farming, planting or harvesting, without capital.
But then again, if you actually have the money, you can always just go somewhere else and buy the raw materials there.

If!
Frank Walker7 Frank Walker7 Active Member
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#760 ·
silverotter72 said:Look, you can't pull oil out of the ground without cash, and you certainly can't turn raw material into a product without cash. You can't even handle basic farming, planting or harvesting, without capital.
But then again, if you actually have the money, you can always just go somewhere else and buy the raw materials there.

I'm not quite following your train of thought, though I think I caught your point at the end where you're really asking about the specific price tag involved.

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