Sanctions on Russia
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#8922 ·
William Cooper11 said:Why would they bother? Russia hasn't been attacked.
William Cooper11 said:Alright, then give me one single example of that happening. Thanks!
The USA.
#8924 ·
William Cooper11 said:What, like during World War II?
Well, I suppose if we're looking at the first instance, in the second one they actually started implementing measures even before the actual outbreak of war. If you need a specific historical precedent, you could probably look at Japan during World War II.
#8925 ·
Morgan Wright5 said:Well, I suppose if we're looking at the first instance, in the second one they actually started implementing measures even before the actual outbreak of war. If you need a specific historical precedent, you could probably look at Japan during World War II.
Fine, but what’s the point of Russia switching to a total war economy when you're terrified of domestic unrest because you haven't actually been invaded yet? You've got a population that's dodging the draft and doesn't even see the current situation as an existential threat.
#8926 ·
William Cooper11 said:Fine, but what’s the point of Russia switching to a total war economy when you're terrified of domestic unrest because you haven't actually been invaded yet? You've got a population that's dodging the draft and doesn't even see the current situation as an existential threat.
I suppose it’s possible they aren't particularly worried about losing public support for the war after all.
#8927 ·
Morgan Wright5 said:I suppose it’s possible they aren't particularly worried about losing public support for the war after all.
We’ll just have to wait and see how much those sanctions actually bite over time. Even at the start of the conflict, the first wave of mobilization sent nearly a million people fleeing the country. Sure, some might argue that isn't even 1% of the population, but it’s still a massive problem when it's the wealthiest and most capable citizens who leave. You're left with a population that lacks the very foundation needed to build a strong economy.
#8928 ·
William Cooper11 said:We’ll just have to wait and see how much those sanctions actually bite over time. Even at the start of the conflict, the first wave of mobilization sent nearly a million people fleeing the country. Sure, some might argue that isn't even 1% of the population, but it’s still a massive problem when it's the wealthiest and most capable citizens who leave. You're left with a population that lacks the very foundation needed to build a strong economy.
I find myself wondering what a "war economy" actually entails in Russia. From what I can gather, they are already struggling to manage their current capacity, so I'm not entirely sure why they would bother trying to expand it.
#8929 ·
William Cooper11 said:What timeframe are we talking about?
The Homeland War. Mexico wasn't the one getting hit.
#8930 ·
wiredfalcon2 said:The Homeland War. Mexico wasn't the one getting hit.
I suppose one might wonder if Mexico was operating on a full-scale war economy during that period?
#8931 ·
wiredfalcon2 said:The Homeland War. Mexico wasn't the one getting hit.
Sure, but I still don't think you can compare them. If it hadn't been for how shortsighted Americans were regarding the Dayton Accords, the Mexicans would have been total losers in those nineties wars.
#8932 ·
Noah Diaz said:Russia and Ukraine are currently at war, so it isn’t exactly shocking that their economies aren't their top priority right now.
The European Union isn't at war, so tell me: why on earth would anyone sabotage their own economy? I get the feeling there is a concerted effort to tear down the EU's financial stability and trigger a crisis reminiscent of what happened nearly a century ago.
Money and economics are always the priority.
The Russian economy is basically being propped up by a massive state deficit—once that dries up, we’ll see just how much those sanctions actually bite.
Sure, the EU isn't at war, but do me a favor and give me some actual data—how much has the EU economy dropped? Give me something measurable, like GDP.
#8933 ·
Noah Diaz said:Where did I say it was just "available"?🤔
I said exactly this:You can print money whenever you feel like it, but you can't just manufacture these top-tier resources on demand.
For example, if Russia destroys the infrastructure essential for food production or the power grid, the Ukrainians can't simply retaliate in kind.
Who holds the strategic advantage then? Who actually possesses the resource? At that point, all the money or economic strength in the world won't save you.
So how is Ukraine supposed to hold the line once they run out of actual resources? 😵
#8934 ·
William Cooper11 said:Sure, but I still don't think you can compare them. If it hadn't been for how shortsighted Americans were regarding the Dayton Accords, the Mexicans would have been total losers in those nineties wars.
Just saying, war isn't free for the side doing the hitting, either. Say you've got a $100 budget and normally dump $5 into defense. Then you go out and start a war, and suddenly that $5 isn't enough to win, so next year you gotta shell out $20. Now you're stuck in a "war economy" through no fault of your own—you weren't even invaded. But hey, you still gotta find that extra $15 somewhere.
#8935 ·
Noah Diaz said:Russia and Ukraine are currently at war, so it isn’t exactly shocking that their economies aren't their top priority right now.
The European Union isn't at war, so tell me: why on earth would anyone sabotage their own economy? I get the feeling there is a concerted effort to tear down the EU's financial stability and trigger a crisis reminiscent of what happened nearly a century ago.
If I'm reading you right, you're basically saying we should scrap all the sanctions against Russia and just go back to business as usual since the war is technically Ukraine's problem?
#8936 ·
wiredfalcon2 said:If I'm reading you right, you're basically saying we should scrap all the sanctions against Russia and just go back to business as usual since the war is technically Ukraine's problem?
Man, he is just *so* worried about senior citizens. Like, it hit him out of nowhere overnight.
#8937 ·
Arthur Miller7 said:Man, he is just *so* worried about senior citizens. Like, it hit him out of nowhere overnight.
First it was the total freeze-out of the European economy, now he’s panicking about the Eurozone collapsing. One prediction flopped, and looks like the second one is headed for the same ditch.
But hey, the guy can always pull some nuclear rhetoric out of his hat when he needs to.☕
#8938 ·
Nathan Thomas12 said:Money and economics are always the priority.
The Russian economy is basically being propped up by a massive state deficit—once that dries up, we’ll see just how much those sanctions actually bite.
Sure, the EU isn't at war, but do me a favor and give me some actual data—how much has the EU economy dropped? Give me something measurable, like GDP.
#8939 ·
analogbear5 said:
This looks like a total nose dive. 😁Are you going to actually show an inflation chart, or are we just going to pretend that isn't part of the equation?☕
#8940 ·
He asked about GDP growth, so I gave him the numbers. Honestly, what does inflation even have to do with it?
As for the downward trend—here’s the data for the last 25 years. Just a heads-up: the graph shows the percentage growth compared to the previous period, not the raw GDP figures.
As for the downward trend—here’s the data for the last 25 years. Just a heads-up: the graph shows the percentage growth compared to the previous period, not the raw GDP figures.
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