Sanctions on Russia

Joshua Myers432 said:This looks like a total nose dive. 😁Are you going to actually show an inflation chart, or are we just going to pretend that isn't part of the equation?☕

So, if you take a look at this chart, what we’re actually seeing here are the real GDP growth rates on a year-over-year basis—which is a fancy way of saying we've already stripped out the impact of inflation. If you wanted to see the nominal growth rates instead, you'd essentially just take these numbers and tack the inflation rate back on—specifically using the GDP deflator, to be precise. Makes much more sense to look at it this way, doesn't it?

analogbear5 said:He asked about GDP growth, so I gave him the numbers. Honestly, what does inflation even have to do with it?

As for the downward trend—here’s the data for the last 25 years. Just a heads-up: the graph shows the percentage growth compared to the previous period, not the raw GDP figures.

So, we've seen a slide from February 2022 until now. The real question is whether Germany is going to slip into a full-blown recession or manage to hold steady. I am seeing a tiny glimmer of optimism lately, though.🙂

Joshua Myers432 said:So, we've seen a slide from February 2022 until now. The real question is whether Germany is going to slip into a full-blown recession or manage to hold steady. I am seeing a tiny glimmer of optimism lately, though.🙂

GDP growth isn't a downward slide; it's an uphill climb.

Honestly, I wouldn't get too excited—the worst is likely behind us. We managed some growth despite that insane inflation, which is actually a pretty decent feat if you think about it.

At this point, foreign demand for German goods is a much bigger factor than Russia.

analogbear5 said:

Look, I get it—I just wanted to hear him address it directly.😍

analogbear5 said:GDP growth isn't a downward slide; it's an uphill climb.

Honestly, I wouldn't get too excited—the worst is likely behind us. We managed some growth despite that insane inflation, which is actually a pretty decent feat if you think about it.

At this point, foreign demand for German goods is a much bigger factor than Russia.

A declining GDP growth rate is a downward spiral, and it ends in a recession. A growth rate of 0.3% is absolute garbage. Honestly, even rates around 3% are crap when you consider the debt levels and the interest rates attached to them. The US should be "growing" at 1.3% for 2023—so either that number is total trash, or you're just a mouthpiece for the Republican Party.

Joshua Myers432 said:A declining GDP growth rate is a downward spiral, and it ends in a recession. A growth rate of 0.3% is absolute garbage. Honestly, even rates around 3% are crap when you consider the debt levels and the interest rates attached to them. The US should be "growing" at 1.3% for 2023—so either that number is total trash, or you're just a mouthpiece for the Republican Party.

First, you were all over the sanctions thing, claiming Europe was shooting itself in both feet and predicting a total freeze-out and economic meltdown.
I mean, isn't this brilliant? We didn't freeze up and we haven't collapsed economically.
What would have happened if your little prophecy actually came true?
Then there's your take on Russia being self-sufficient and immune to sanctions.
Well, look at them—running an economy with a monthly deficit of 5% of GDP!
They can repaint the whole damn house for a year, but it won't change the reality. 🕺
EDIT: maybe go back to talking about nukes—your economic takes are clearly a lost cause. ☕

So, get this—Russia is looking to slash their oil exports through Western ports by about 25%. They’ve already been talking up this whole "voluntary" production cut of 5%, which works out to roughly 500,000 barrels a day, but this latest move is a whole different beast entirely. It's basically a massive new escalation.
https://www.brecorder.com/news/40227810

Nathan Thomas12 said:First, you were all over the sanctions thing, claiming Europe was shooting itself in both feet and predicting a total freeze-out and economic meltdown.
I mean, isn't this brilliant? We didn't freeze up and we haven't collapsed economically.
What would have happened if your little prophecy actually came true?
Then there's your take on Russia being self-sufficient and immune to sanctions.
Well, look at them—running an economy with a monthly deficit of 5% of GDP!
They can repaint the whole damn house for a year, but it won't change the reality. 🕺
EDIT: maybe go back to talking about nukes—your economic takes are clearly a lost cause. ☕

You and your crowd claimed it would be 30%. You were just off by 25%. But I suppose since you argue sanctions are a "long-term game," they work both ways, right? Honestly, 5% isn't terrible for a nation fighting an all-out war—just look at how much stress Ukraine has endured despite all the Western aid.

As for the nuclear rhetoric, that's coming from high-ranking Russian officials, not me. What am I supposed to add to that? When someone holding the world's largest nuclear arsenal starts making open threats, what is a rational person meant to conclude? I'm not asking you, so don't feel obligated to answer. 🍿

A 5% monthly return. Pure genius.

northernangler8 said:''The administration is working overtime to drag America into a war! They just kicked out 18 Russian diplomats''

Where on earth does Unknown find this Signature site? These little mini-Putin mouthpieces seem to pop up everywhere lately, almost like mushrooms after a heavy rain. 😵

Joshua Myers432 said:You and your crowd claimed it would be 30%. You were just off by 25%. But I suppose since you argue sanctions are a "long-term game," they work both ways, right? Honestly, 5% isn't terrible for a nation fighting an all-out war—just look at how much stress Ukraine has endured despite all the Western aid.

As for the nuclear rhetoric, that's coming from high-ranking Russian officials, not me. What am I supposed to add to that? When someone holding the world's largest nuclear arsenal starts making open threats, what is a rational person meant to conclude? I'm not asking you, so don't feel obligated to answer. 🍿

Ever since February 24th, people have been openly saying sanctions have a long-term impact. Which part of that simple sentence is confusing you? :nezna:
I haven't seen anyone throwing around "short-term" figures of 30% anywhere. Maybe you read that on some other forum, because it definitely wasn't here. :nezna:
Here are the facts: Russia had a 5% GDP deficit in the first month. That could potentially hit 60% of GDP by year-end. It took us 30 years to rack up debt like that, and we're a corrupt mess at that.

Joshua Myers432 said:A declining GDP growth rate is a downward spiral, and it ends in a recession. A growth rate of 0.3% is absolute garbage. Honestly, even rates around 3% are crap when you consider the debt levels and the interest rates attached to them. The US should be "growing" at 1.3% for 2023—so either that number is total trash, or you're just a mouthpiece for the Republican Party.

What kind of god-tier debt level are we talking about here? Is the Eternal Jew coming to the European Union to collect the interest personally or something?

Nathan Thomas12 said:Ever since February 24th, people have been openly saying sanctions have a long-term impact. Which part of that simple sentence is confusing you? :nezna:
I haven't seen anyone throwing around "short-term" figures of 30% anywhere. Maybe you read that on some other forum, because it definitely wasn't here. :nezna:
Here are the facts: Russia had a 5% GDP deficit in the first month. That could potentially hit 60% of GDP by year-end. It took us 30 years to rack up debt like that, and we're a corrupt mess at that.

I’m just laying out the facts here. Their GDP didn't even dip by 5% back in 2022, let alone the 50% collapse everyone predicted. I don't even want to waste my breath digging through old posts written by absolute idiots or those CIA shills on this forum. And look, if we're pretending sanctions against Russia have some massive long-term impact, shouldn't we also admit that losing access to cheap energy is going to have its own long-term consequences?

analogbear5 said:What kind of god-tier debt level are we talking about here? Is the Eternal Jew coming to the European Union to collect the interest personally or something?

Sure, why not? Let's just go into massive debt and bury ourselves in it. I'm sure the next generation will be more than happy to pick up the tab. 🎉

Nathan Thomas12 said:Ever since February 24th, people have been openly saying sanctions have a long-term impact. Which part of that simple sentence is confusing you? :nezna:
I haven't seen anyone throwing around "short-term" figures of 30% anywhere. Maybe you read that on some other forum, because it definitely wasn't here. :nezna:
Here are the facts: Russia had a 5% GDP deficit in the first month. That could potentially hit 60% of GDP by year-end. It took us 30 years to rack up debt like that, and we're a corrupt mess at that.

I have. More than once. Especially when people were insisting Russia was headed for bankruptcy by September of last year. And don't even get me started on the supposed ammo shortages or their inability to launch offensives.

The reality is this will drag on. Why? Because the official stance from the weak EU bureaucracy is to wrap this up by training soldiers who finished their drills on American training grounds. Give them some spears, bows, and arrows and they'll chase the Russians all the way back to Siberia. ☕

wiredfalcon2 said:If I'm reading you right, you're basically saying we should scrap all the sanctions against Russia and just go back to business as usual since the war is technically Ukraine's problem?

My take is simple: the European Union needs to pull out of the NATO alliance immediately. It's time to prioritize our own interests and finally achieve political and military independence. The smartest move would be to declare neutrality and trade with whoever is interested.

The war in Ukraine is a mess cooked up by the people who started it, and frankly, it doesn't concern anyone else. That means Russia, the USA, Unknown, and of course, Ukraine. How they choose to settle their mess is none of my business. My only hope is that they have enough sense left to prevent this from escalating into a point of no return—total nuclear annihilation.

Back to the nuclear rhetoric again. Clearly, nobody’s exactly thrilled with how things are playing out on the battlefield.
Don't sweat it—nobody's actually going to launch anything at Russia, so there's no real need for nukes. We've been chewing on this same tired topic forever.

Joshua Myers432 said:I’m just laying out the facts here. Their GDP didn't even dip by 5% back in 2022, let alone the 50% collapse everyone predicted. I don't even want to waste my breath digging through old posts written by absolute idiots or those CIA shills on this forum. And look, if we're pretending sanctions against Russia have some massive long-term impact, shouldn't we also admit that losing access to cheap energy is going to have its own long-term consequences?

Sure, why not? Let's just go into massive debt and bury ourselves in it. I'm sure the next generation will be more than happy to pick up the tab. 🎉

Nobody said that because a crash like that only happens if there's a total catastrophe. Generally speaking, the war in Ukraine isn't even the massive factor it was last year—and even last year, it wasn't nearly as big as everyone on this forum thinks it is.

The US is gearing up to slap sanctions on Chinese companies that are helping out Russia
https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/statu...Pyhukleqw&s=19

Noah Diaz said:My take is simple: the European Union needs to pull out of the NATO alliance immediately. It's time to prioritize our own interests and finally achieve political and military independence. The smartest move would be to declare neutrality and trade with whoever is interested.

The war in Ukraine is a mess cooked up by the people who started it, and frankly, it doesn't concern anyone else. That means Russia, the USA, Unknown, and of course, Ukraine. How they choose to settle their mess is none of my business. My only hope is that they have enough sense left to prevent this from escalating into a point of no return—total nuclear annihilation.

Coincidentally, that's exactly how they're thinking over at the White House too, though obviously only in ways that benefit them. ☕
You're in the minority here, so you might as well accept it and be glad that expressing a dissenting opinion doesn't land you in a prison cell like it would for a dissenter in Putin's Russia.

Noah Diaz said:My take is simple: the European Union needs to pull out of the NATO alliance immediately. It's time to prioritize our own interests and finally achieve political and military independence. The smartest move would be to declare neutrality and trade with whoever is interested.

The war in Ukraine is a mess cooked up by the people who started it, and frankly, it doesn't concern anyone else. That means Russia, the USA, Unknown, and of course, Ukraine. How they choose to settle their mess is none of my business. My only hope is that they have enough sense left to prevent this from escalating into a point of no return—total nuclear annihilation.

I'll give you an answer, but honestly, it's probably not even worth it. This forum is meant for actual discussion, not trolling. You've got your vision—which is really just a set of lies—and the more counterarguments you get, the more you lie to yourself. Best to just say nothing at all, and that's my advice to everyone else too.