Arming Ukraine

casualtiger2 said:Why not just send a few more Bayraktars to take out that bridge connecting Crimea and Russia?

They'd need to use planes—aiming right for those arches, specifically their supports.
You'd need a massive amount of explosives... hit them hard enough so the whole thing starts collapsing under its own weight.

Thomas Nelson25 said:They'd need to use planes—aiming right for those arches, specifically their supports.
You'd need a massive amount of explosives... hit them hard enough so the whole thing starts collapsing under its own weight.

Honestly, or even just hitting the peaks of the arches; two precise strikes should handle a road bridge, and maybe one solid hit for a rail or auxiliary bridge, but you’ve gotta have absolute precision and some serious firepower to actually destabilize the structure.

Those supports are tricky, though, because they're tough to damage, and even if you do, the arch often keeps holding the construction up somehow... I'm thinking about those old bridges back in Pittsburgh where the supports rusted out completely, yet the structures were still somehow standing...

I don't know the exact cross-section of the roadway, but looking at it, there's probably a 40% chance the road deck stays upright even if you take out the arched support.

Either way, once those arches are gone, you'd definitely need a volley of explosives to finish off the actual roadway.

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Just pounding on the roadway without hitting the arches wouldn't do much; the Russians would probably have it patched up in no time—we're talking a week or two tops...

In my opinion, it's either guided missiles from an aircraft or some high-end ground-to-ground missile... basically, a direct strike on the bridge itself.

Looks like the folks in Slovakia are stepping up too. When is it our turn in America?
https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/...82170106580995

Another 16 Bayraktars have arrived 👍
https://www.savunmasanayist.com/ukra...ceklestirildi/

The Poles are sending over some T-72s. Things are starting to get serious...

coastalbison6 said:Looks like the folks in Slovakia are stepping up too. When is it our turn in America?
https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/...82170106580995

The French are confirming it too.

Slovakia provides the S-300 anti-aircraft defense system to Ukraine 13:34

But honestly, I think it's better to handle this through Brussels. Quiet, efficient, perfectly coordinated...

Take the French, for example. They deliver so much, yet they don't brag about it in public or even leak details to the French media. Such professionalism...

coastalbison6 said:Looks like the folks in Slovakia are stepping up too. When is it our turn in America?
https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/...82170106580995

anyone know how many they got?

coastalbison6 said:Another 16 Bayraktars have arrived 👍
https://www.savunmasanayist.com/ukra...ceklestirildi/

was posted yesterday👍

Melissa Bailey5 said:anyone know how many they got?

was posted yesterday👍

Not sure, but I think I read somewhere that they've agreed to give the Americans everything they've got.

coastalbison6 said:Looks like the folks in Slovakia are stepping up too. When is it our turn in America?
https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/...82170106580995

Any idea how many they actually got?

coastalbison6 said:Another 16 Bayraktars have arrived 👍
https://www.savunmasanayist.com/ukra...ceklestirildi/

They posted it yesterday, maybe.👍

coastalbison6 said:The Poles are sending over some T-72s. Things are starting to get serious...

How serious, exactly?😁 You have to realize those are just old relics meant for defense and nothing else. It feels a bit pathetic, honestly, having to deploy a high-end Javelin against an outdated T72.

If the Ukrainians decide to go on the offensive, all those aging Russian tanks are going to be wiped out pretty quickly by local Russian anti-tank weapons.☕

- The RPG-29 is cheap, easy enough to handle, and incredibly effective.

coastalbison6 said:Looks like the folks in Slovakia are stepping up too. When is it our turn in America?
https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/...82170106580995

You really think America isn't playing a part in this?

Seriously, just go hang out near JFK Airport and watch what military logistics actually looks like on a 24-hour cycle... they've even banned filming everything... I have zero clue exactly what's being shipped out—but believe me, they're working around the clock.

Andrew Miller102 said:How serious, exactly?😁 You have to realize those are just old relics meant for defense and nothing else. It feels a bit pathetic, honestly, having to deploy a high-end Javelin against an outdated T72.

If the Ukrainians decide to go on the offensive, all those aging Russian tanks are going to be wiped out pretty quickly by local Russian anti-tank weapons.☕

- The RPG-29 is cheap, easy enough to handle, and incredibly effective.

The Ukrainians certainly won't use tanks with the same level of incompetence as the Russian military. Therefore, the T-72 and any other armor will serve them well...

Andrew Miller102 said:How serious, exactly?😁 You have to realize those are just old relics meant for defense and nothing else. It feels a bit pathetic, honestly, having to deploy a high-end Javelin against an outdated T72.

If the Ukrainians decide to go on the offensive, all those aging Russian tanks are going to be wiped out pretty quickly by local Russian anti-tank weapons.☕

- The RPG-29 is cheap, easy enough to handle, and incredibly effective.

Your logic error is as massive as Olympus Mons—Ukrainians aren't Russians. Any weapon is useful if you actually know how to use it.

But fine, even Vladimir Putin made that exact same mistake, so I guess you're forgiven.

Christian Torres3 said:Your logic error is as massive as Olympus Mons—Ukrainians aren't Russians. Any weapon is useful if you actually know how to use it.

But fine, even Vladimir Putin made that exact same mistake, so I guess you're forgiven.

He’s finally come around.
He actually admitted that a Russian tank is total junk.

The tank just isn't built for open-field combat anymore; I honestly find myself struggling to figure out how to deploy it effectively.

coastalbison6 said:Looks like the folks in Slovakia are stepping up too. When is it our turn in America?
https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/...82170106580995

Look, America doesn't exactly have an endless surplus of gear to ship out. We're mostly looking at infantry stuff—maybe some AK-47s sitting in storage because we switched over to NATO standards—some tactical vests, helmets, or maybe some Dok-Ingov demining equipment if we're feeling generous. As far as heavy hardware goes, our old tanks and F-16 Fighting Falcons are already pretty outdated compared to what else is out there.

If we're talking about anything remotely modern, we might have a couple of Patria vehicles, but even then, other countries have way more M109 Paladins than we do. And honestly? Those Ukrainians could really use a fresh supply of munitions right about now.

velvetbadger11 said:The tank just isn't built for open-field combat anymore; I honestly find myself struggling to figure out how to deploy it effectively.

A tank on its own is just a death trap on the battlefield, isn't it? Unless you have infantry providing cover and drones acting as eyes to guide them, what's the point?

Kate Lewis3 said:Look, America doesn't exactly have an endless surplus of gear to ship out. We're mostly looking at infantry stuff—maybe some AK-47s sitting in storage because we switched over to NATO standards—some tactical vests, helmets, or maybe some Dok-Ingov demining equipment if we're feeling generous. As far as heavy hardware goes, our old tanks and F-16 Fighting Falcons are already pretty outdated compared to what else is out there.

If we're talking about anything remotely modern, we might have a couple of Patria vehicles, but even then, other countries have way more M109 Paladins than we do. And honestly? Those Ukrainians could really use a fresh supply of munitions right about now.

I'm not even sure how much sense sending AK-47s makes for Ukraine since they aren't using that standard ammo anymore, is there? It all goes back to the fact that while the US Army was transitioning to the AKM—which we know as the zastava M70—back in the 70s, the USSR and the Warsaw Pact had already moved on to the AK-74 model using 5.45x39mm rounds, whereas the zastava M70 sticks to the classic 7.62x39mm used by the AK-47. So, who knows if Ukraine actually has any 7.62x39mm ammunition left, considering those zastava M70 models are stuck using that ancient caliber.

Andrew Miller102 said:How serious, exactly?😁 You have to realize those are just old relics meant for defense and nothing else. It feels a bit pathetic, honestly, having to deploy a high-end Javelin against an outdated T72.

If the Ukrainians decide to go on the offensive, all those aging Russian tanks are going to be wiped out pretty quickly by local Russian anti-tank weapons.☕

- The RPG-29 is cheap, easy enough to handle, and incredibly effective.

I don't follow the logic here; isn't a Javelin worth every penny because it lets you take out a tank from a safe distance while keeping the operator out of harm's way, especially when its impact is so devastating that it completely destroys the vehicle and wipes out the crew? When you look at it any other way, a Javelin is cheaper than even the worst tank—not to mention the cost of the crew—and while training an average person to use a Javelin is quick, trying to train a three-person tank crew to be combat experts is a much longer and more difficult task, wouldn't you agree?

Roger Fowler said:I'm not even sure how much sense sending AK-47s makes for Ukraine since they aren't using that standard ammo anymore, is there? It all goes back to the fact that while the US Army was transitioning to the AKM—which we know as the zastava M70—back in the 70s, the USSR and the Warsaw Pact had already moved on to the AK-74 model using 5.45x39mm rounds, whereas the zastava M70 sticks to the classic 7.62x39mm used by the AK-47. So, who knows if Ukraine actually has any 7.62x39mm ammunition left, considering those zastava M70 models are stuck using that ancient caliber.

If you take a closer look at the photos and the footage, you might notice that the AK-47 is actually being used quite extensively. Also, just as a side note, the US Army didn't switch from the M48 to an AKM, but rather transitioned to a machine gun.