Arming Ukraine

Morgan Wright5 said:If you take a closer look at the photos and the footage, you might notice that the AK-47 is actually being used quite extensively. Also, just as a side note, the US Army didn't switch from the M48 to an AKM, but rather transitioned to a machine gun.

I guess I momentarily blanked on that Zastava license for the SKS—you know, the old "papovka." But honestly, even back then, it was already outdated gear, wasn't it? Looking at the imagery I've come across, most of what's visible is clearly the AK-74, even if a few rifles have an AK-47 style magazine; you can tell by the way the 5.45mm mags aren't nearly as curved as those iconic AK-47 "banana clips."

http://blog.mountsplus.com/ak-rifles...k-74-vs-ak-12/

Morgan Wright5 said:Tanks are built for open field combat, not for fighting in cities.

In an open field, sure—provided they're spread out and backed up by infantry and other support branches. It reminds me of this movie I watched about a year ago, detailing a British push through the countryside in Belgium back in 1944. The Allies moved in these long, drawn-out columns, way too far from the towns where they actually needed help. The tanks couldn't push forward because the infantry just couldn't keep pace. They were stuck, essentially sitting there while soldiers were getting slaughtered in a town ten miles down the road.
The way the Russians have been deploying their armored units so far is just pure insanity: you roll down a highway in a massive, stretched-out column without securing your flanks? It makes zero sense.

Hey everyone, hope you're all having a great day! 🙂
- It looks like following the Czech lead, the Poles are now sending over some T-72s too.
- The Czechs aren't stopping there either; they're also sending out BM-21s and Strela systems.
- Meanwhile, the Slovaks have already sent their S-300s.
- And as for the UK, on top of sending armored vehicles and even more NLAWs, it actually sounds like they might be prepping to send some AS-90s very soon.

Carl Lee27 said:Hey everyone, hope you're all having a great day! 🙂
- It looks like following the Czech lead, the Poles are now sending over some T-72s too.
- The Czechs aren't stopping there either; they're also sending out BM-21s and Strela systems.
- Meanwhile, the Slovaks have already sent their S-300s.
- And as for the UK, on top of sending armored vehicles and even more NLAWs, it actually sounds like they might be prepping to send some AS-90s very soon.

Interesting... the Czechs and Slovaks are actually sending weapons...
While the Frenchmen, Germans, Dutchmen, Norwegians, Italians, Austrians, Swiss, Spaniards, Danes, Swedes, Finns, and Canadians... what on earth are they sending?!!

Ryan Morales4 said:Interesting... the Czechs and Slovaks are actually sending weapons...
While the Frenchmen, Germans, Dutchmen, Norwegians, Italians, Austrians, Swiss, Spaniards, Danes, Swedes, Finns, and Canadians... what on earth are they sending?!!

Oh, they are sending plenty—they just aren't making a big scene about it.
LP

Carl Lee27 said:Hey everyone, hope you're all having a great day! 🙂
- It looks like following the Czech lead, the Poles are now sending over some T-72s too.
- The Czechs aren't stopping there either; they're also sending out BM-21s and Strela systems.
- Meanwhile, the Slovaks have already sent their S-300s.
- And as for the UK, on top of sending armored vehicles and even more NLAWs, it actually sounds like they might be prepping to send some AS-90s very soon.

Mastiffs are arriving👍
https://twitter.com/antiputler_news/...55699556708360

The Brits just won't stop sending
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/...60112186818563

Looks like some fresh Bayraktar UAVs just popped up on the front lines in Ukraine.

New Bayraktar UAVs Spotted In Ukraine

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...raine.html?m=1

George Robinson43 said:He’s finally come around.
He actually admitted that a Russian tank is total junk.

Since you were apparently born yesterday,😁 or maybe just finished serving in the military a few weeks ago, you should probably find something better to do than posting tens of thousands of messages on a forum out of sheer boredom.

Russian tanks have always been subpar, characterized by poor armor and designs full of compromises from the T-72 onwards. There’s really no point even mentioning the older junk.When an area is defended by a well-equipped unit equipped with various anti-tank weapons, Russian tanks are essentially written off, and the crew is dead in about 90% of cases.

Take the battle for El Paso as an example, where our defenders targeted anything that moved into their sights. They mostly relied on M72 LAWs, or those local M-84 tanks, and the LAWs punched through without any issues.☕

http://www.military-today.com/firearms/m79_osa.htm

velvetbadger11 said:The tank just isn't built for open-field combat anymore; I honestly find myself struggling to figure out how to deploy it effectively.

If I had to choose, I’d opt for a Merkava 4, given that the Israeli Trophy active protection system is incredibly effective.In a broad sense, yes, a tank is becoming little more than a mobile pillbox, and its relevance will likely continue to diminish in the future.

"Even the Merkava isn't perfect; those brilliant designers decided to put the engine and fuel tank right at the front of the tank."





The Trophy system can be easily overwhelmed, so if you're in urban combat and getting hit by multiple projectiles simultaneously, you're absolutely screwed.☕

Benjamin Taylor6 said:In an open field, sure—provided they're spread out and backed up by infantry and other support branches. It reminds me of this movie I watched about a year ago, detailing a British push through the countryside in Belgium back in 1944. The Allies moved in these long, drawn-out columns, way too far from the towns where they actually needed help. The tanks couldn't push forward because the infantry just couldn't keep pace. They were stuck, essentially sitting there while soldiers were getting slaughtered in a town ten miles down the road.
The way the Russians have been deploying their armored units so far is just pure insanity: you roll down a highway in a massive, stretched-out column without securing your flanks? It makes zero sense.

A bit more basic, but the point remains...

A tank is basically a mobile fortress—a turret with a gun, on tracks.

If you’re attacking (with tanks) a stronghold (like bunkers), a city, you have to close the distance. (Or at least be incredibly precise and destructive with your aim).
A Fortification—if it's built right—has the upper hand against a tank. It's tougher.
Losses are just part of the deal in war. Just look back at World War II—the first real industrial-scale conflict.

Bottom line: any kind of armored vehicle with a gun and machine guns is going to be a godsend for the Ukrainians.

Bryan Booth82 said:Oh, they are sending plenty—they just aren't making a big scene about it.
LP

The bottom line is this: Ukraine needs to be getting intelligence, specifically satellite data on Russian movements. Once they successfully disrupt communications, then they can actually strike at the intended targets.

Andrew Miller102 said:Since you were apparently born yesterday,😁 or maybe just finished serving in the military a few weeks ago, you should probably find something better to do than posting tens of thousands of messages on a forum out of sheer boredom.

Russian tanks have always been subpar, characterized by poor armor and designs full of compromises from the T-72 onwards. There’s really no point even mentioning the older junk.When an area is defended by a well-equipped unit equipped with various anti-tank weapons, Russian tanks are essentially written off, and the crew is dead in about 90% of cases.

Take the battle for El Paso as an example, where our defenders targeted anything that moved into their sights. They mostly relied on M72 LAWs, or those local M-84 tanks, and the LAWs punched through without any issues.☕

http://www.military-today.com/firearms/m79_osa.htm

If I had to choose, I’d opt for a Merkava 4, given that the Israeli Trophy active protection system is incredibly effective.In a broad sense, yes, a tank is becoming little more than a mobile pillbox, and its relevance will likely continue to diminish in the future.

"Even the Merkava isn't perfect; those brilliant designers decided to put the engine and fuel tank right at the front of the tank."

The Trophy system can be easily overwhelmed, so if you're in urban combat and getting hit by multiple projectiles simultaneously, you're absolutely screwed.☕

An M79 would probably penetrate any Western tank from that same era.

Roger Fowler said:I guess I momentarily blanked on that Zastava license for the SKS—you know, the old "papovka." But honestly, even back then, it was already outdated gear, wasn't it? Looking at the imagery I've come across, most of what's visible is clearly the AK-74, even if a few rifles have an AK-47 style magazine; you can tell by the way the 5.45mm mags aren't nearly as curved as those iconic AK-47 "banana clips."

http://blog.mountsplus.com/ak-rifles...k-74-vs-ak-12/

They’re definitely using plenty of AK-47s over there too. I think I even saw footage of some M-70s. They probably have local ammo production going on, too.

When Volodymyr Zelenskyy was visiting Bucha, I noticed a few of his security detail were carrying actual AK-47s. In those kinds of bodyguard situations, I guess 7.62 caliber might have a slight edge over 5.45—the rounds are heavier and maybe offer better penetration through stuff like wood or metal.
https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploa...2ap.jpg?w=1280

And check this out: https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/.../v1/800x-1.jpg
That looks like some kind of beefed-up local modification!

Zuzana is on her way 👍
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...88167320039427

The US Senate just passed the reactivation of the Lend-Lease Act for Ukraine with a total landslide—100 to 0. Now that the gear is actually going to start shipping out, things are finally moving. 🕺

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/vide...raine-83928730

Ukraine is picking up a fourth Patriot battery on top of those S-300s
https://twitter.com/mosr_official/st...18044286586895

coastalbison6 said:Ukraine is picking up a fourth Patriot battery on top of those S-300s
https://twitter.com/mosr_official/st...18044286586895

So, Ukraine receives the S-300, while Slovakia picks up a fourth Patriot battery.

coastalbison6 said:Ukraine is picking up a fourth Patriot battery on top of those S-300s
https://twitter.com/mosr_official/st...18044286586895

Those Patriots are headed to Slovakia just to make sure there isn't a gaping hole in their air defense umbrella.

How much sense does it actually make to send S-300s to Ukraine? We’re talking about hardware so expensive that
Russ will gladly throw two or three Iskanders at it just to take it out. And you can't even
complain—it's just a standard wartime objective. How much are we burning through here? $200 million?
Russ will spend maybe $2-3 million.
In my view, we should be focusing on organizing air defense using smaller, mobile
units to pick off Sukhoi and MiG jets first. Then, an S-300 (or 400, or whatever similar system) could be
brought in as the "crown jewel" of the air defense network—where everything else is positioned specifically to protect the S-300.

Timothy Kim9 said:How much sense does it actually make to send S-300s to Ukraine? We’re talking about hardware so expensive that
Russ will gladly throw two or three Iskanders at it just to take it out. And you can't even
complain—it's just a standard wartime objective. How much are we burning through here? $200 million?
Russ will spend maybe $2-3 million.
In my view, we should be focusing on organizing air defense using smaller, mobile
units to pick off Sukhoi and MiG jets first. Then, an S-300 (or 400, or whatever similar system) could be
brought in as the "crown jewel" of the air defense network—where everything else is positioned specifically to protect the S-300.

It is more than enough for Russ to simply know exactly how that weapon was delivered and exactly where it’s sitting somewhere in Ukraine. Is that really too much to ask? Does it matter if they have the precise GPS coordinates right this second? No. The mere fact that the delivery route is known and the location is established within Ukrainian territory is sufficient to drive them mad. Why complicate things with unnecessary details when the psychological impact alone does the job?
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