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Arming Ukraine

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Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#821 ·
Most of what they sent over were anti-personnel versions (targeting personnel) — so the real question is how much punch that 'warhead' actually packs. It probably just uses fragmentation rounds.

It’s best used to take out commanders and mess with logistics. Basically, you hit their morale... or their motivation.
darkrider55 darkrider55 Active Member
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#822 ·
It would be much better to test this out on the Chechens.
Timothy Nelson5 Timothy Nelson5 Active Member
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#823 ·
Carl Lee27 said:It looks like the Phoenix Ghost is actually a massive step up from what we were seeing before:
- It can take off vertically, which is huge
- We're talking about a 6-hour flight time—compare that to just 40 minutes for the Switchblade 600 and you see why this matters so much
- It’s got infrared sensors, so it can handle business even in total darkness
- And it's fully capable of taking out medium armored ground targets
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...vCaejZB2w&s=19

This seems to be a response to those issues I was mentioning earlier. I guess.

The Ukrainians just don't have the reach right now to hit airfields or logistics hubs deep within the Russian rear. It’s a bit of a problem, I guess... especially since that kind of long-range strike capability is exactly what NATO strategy has always leaned on. Maybe there's a way around it, but for now, they're stuck.

This drone, if it actually manages to hit speeds of... I don't know, maybe around that mark? It changes things. I guess. It’s hard to say for sure without more data, but then again, we're always waiting on more data, aren't we? Maybe. 62 miles Maybe an hour, though I suppose we’re looking at a six-hour flight. Or something like that. I guess. It’s possible they could be targeting objectives as far out as 500 miles... I guess. Maybe. It feels like we're constantly guessing at the reach of these things.373 miles Looking at the Russian side of things... I guess it’s mostly about the aircraft sitting on their airfields and the rail lines, right? Maybe just focusing on those planes at the bases and the trains. That seems to be where the real movement is happening. I guess you have to wonder who exactly is handling the logistics for the Russian forces—specifically regarding their fuel and ammo resupply. It’s a massive operation, really. I mean, moving that much weight across contested territory isn't exactly a walk in the park. Maybe it's specialized units, maybe it's local contractors... I don't know. It's hard to say for sure without seeing the actual supply lines, but someone has to do the heavy lifting.

Either one could be wiped out pretty easily, I suppose. It’s all quite fragile, really. It’s essentially a warhead designed specifically to take out medium-armored ground targets. I guess you could say it's built for that exact purpose. Maybe.
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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#824 ·
Macron was just talking about those CAESAR self-propelled howitzers being delivered. Honestly, who knows? Maybe they've even arrived already!
DANA, Zuzana, CAESAR, PzH 2000, M777 (probably)
🙂
(Oh, and I noticed the article also mentions the delivery of MILAN systems)
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Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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#825 ·
The Czech Republic is sending over some Gvozdik units too
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...61623904026626

So, Germany isn't actually shipping their own stuff right now, but they’ve made this deal where they'll provide replacements to any allies who step up and send their equipment—kind of like that arrangement they worked out with Canada earlier on
https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/statu...37590403694592
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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#826 ·
It looks like the Brits might be cooking up some kind of deal with the Poles. The idea seems to be that they'll send over some tanks so the Poles can free up their own T-72s to ship off to Ukraine. Honestly, though, I have my doubts about them actually handing over any Challenger 2s; it's much more likely they’ll just station them in the country as a temporary measure until those Abrams arrive.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/...J5gmyh-5Q&s=19
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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#827 ·
Belgium is sending over 200 anti-tank missiles, 5,000 rifles, and a decent amount of fuel to help out
https://twitter.com/thewarrage/statu...D19mZwFfw&s=19
coastalbison6 coastalbison6 Active Member
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#828 ·
The deal is set: Poland is sending over some T-72s, and in exchange, the Brits are providing them with tanks along with their full crews.
Melissa Bailey5 Melissa Bailey5 Active Member
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#829 ·
The Netherlands is set to send some self-propelled howitzers over to Ukraine.

Defense Minister Kajsa Ollongren mentioned that they're basically wrapping up talks with Germany, who will probably help out with the training and setup.
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
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#830 ·
Carl Lee27 said:Belgium is sending over 200 anti-tank missiles, 5,000 rifles, and a decent amount of fuel to help out
https://twitter.com/thewarrage/statu...D19mZwFfw&s=19

It’s funny how the Belgians are also eyeing those M109 self-propelled howitzers—except the government doesn't actually own them. They belong to some private firm that bought them, likely just to flip them for a profit later.
mellowcyclist13 mellowcyclist13 Newcomer
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#831 ·
velvetbadger11 said:Perhaps we could offer something of our own in exchange for something else 🤔

Whether they bring M84s or just hand over the Leopard 2A5s, it doesn't matter.

It’s only fair.
Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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#832 ·
Canada just sent over some M777s, along with those Excalibur rounds too!
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...xpyC90QmQ&s=19

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