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The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

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Patrick Clark21 Patrick Clark21 Newcomer
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#281 ·
Justin Kern67 said:To be perfectly honest, until a few days ago, I hadn't even heard of SWIFT and have no idea how it could actually affect an economy. However, I discovered that back in 2012, during certain sanctions, Iran was cut off from SWIFT, and I see no evidence that it hindered them—if anything, it did the opposite.

That’s wonderful. You claim you don't see how Iran was harmed, so why don't you enlighten me? Because from where I'm sitting, I can't find Iran on a map, let alone find any way you could possibly assist me. It's called the "valve of history," if you catch my drift.
Laura Scott7 Laura Scott7 Member
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#282 ·
Roy said:Nah. You're just spinning your wheels here, just like everyone else with one of those half-baked, double-digit usernames.

Man, just take a breath and actually read the post instead of immediately losing your mind. Just answer the guy, lay out some actual arguments, don't just go off screaming like a toddler having a meltdown.👍
I saw the green guy realize there's no way out and now he's begging for negotiations. Honestly, let's just stop all this killing already. We could just demilitarize the whole area, install a pro-Russia government, hook them up with cheap natural gas, and then finally get the rebuilding started.
vividtiger72 vividtiger72 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#283 ·
@srednji bojler Americans always seem to have troops stationed right along the border. Ever since the migrant situation at the Belarus border kicked off, the whole perimeter has been under military lockdown, and they've even declared a state of emergency in those little border towns.
Joseph Cruz Joseph Cruz Member
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joined Feb 2022
#284 ·
Mark Clark6 said:Is it just my perception, or did Russia encounter far more resistance than their planners anticipated? It is difficult to decipher given the nature of this hybrid warfare, but after two days of operations, they have failed to secure a single significant city. It appears the only thing they have managed to seize is that desolate ruin near Chernobyl—a place the Ukrainians would likely be happy to hand over to Russia just to get rid of it.


Yesterday, Zelenskyy stated that Russia entered Ukraine with a maximum of 60,000 personnel, which, when combined with local insurgents, brings the total to roughly 90,000. On the flip side, Ukraine reportedly had somewhere between 200,000 and 250,000 troops ready for combat. It appears the Russians may have miscalculated their strength and will likely have to introduce more forces incrementally. Furthermore, I recall reading some military strategy theory once suggesting that an attacker generally requires a three-to-one advantage. If that holds true here, wouldn't Russia actually need between 600,000 and 700,000 soldiers to succeed?
granitebison granitebison Newcomer
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#285 ·
A detailed briefing on the current situation on the ground following today's developments:
https://www.youtube.com/c/AdamSomething/community

I can't say for certain if every detail is perfectly accurate, but I find myself trusting this individual far more than any other source available to us.
wiredtiger8 wiredtiger8 Active Member
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#286 ·
Grace Bennett6 said:Well, they already suggested Minsk. It's a good thing they didn't tell him to fly straight to Moscow.😵

It’s all just a power play.
Now Zelenskyy is pushing hard for negotiations with Putin. But let's be real, he can't go around dictating where those talks happen yet.
To be honest, I'm actually surprised Putin hasn't demanded they meet in Moscow already.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#287 ·
urbanotter said:Honestly, Zelenskyy is such a comedian; it’s a good thing he didn't suggest Kyiv as the meeting spot.

Proposing Minsk is a joke, especially when you have attacks coming into Ukraine from Belarus. Warsaw might not be the perfect fix right now, but it's certainly more realistic than Minsk. In the end, we'll likely see Budapest, Turkey, or some other neutral third party—assuming a meeting even happens. This push for a summit seems rushed; it feels like someone isn't performing particularly well on the ground.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#288 ·
Hiawatha87 said:You're just swallowing Kremlin propaganda.

I mean, obviously, but what else can I do?
When you choose to look at the bigger picture and analyze how things play out on a global scale over the long haul—rather than just consuming whatever is being spoon-fed to us by state-run media or certain YouTube channels—you inevitably end up seeing things differently.
Justin Kern67 Justin Kern67 Member
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#289 ·
Mark Clark6 said:Is it just my perception, or did Russia encounter far more resistance than their planners anticipated? It is difficult to decipher given the nature of this hybrid warfare, but after two days of operations, they have failed to secure a single significant city. It appears the only thing they have managed to seize is that desolate ruin near Chernobyl—a place the Ukrainians would likely be happy to hand over to Russia just to get rid of it.

And why on earth would they bother seizing a city right away? They have spread 150,000 troops across four different fronts in the largest country in Europe, which has a population of forty million.

Do you have any idea how many soldiers—and more importantly, how much sheer destruction—it takes to "occupy" a metropolitan area the size of Kharkiv or Odesa?
neonpuma30 neonpuma30 Member
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#290 ·
Laura Scott7 said:Man, just take a breath and actually read the post instead of immediately losing your mind. Just answer the guy, lay out some actual arguments, don't just go off screaming like a toddler having a meltdown.👍
I saw the green guy realize there's no way out and now he's begging for negotiations. Honestly, let's just stop all this killing already. We could just demilitarize the whole area, install a pro-Russia government, hook them up with cheap natural gas, and then finally get the rebuilding started.

It’d be awesome if they picked a pro-Russian government, but we won't see that until someone actually sane takes over in Russia. Right now, it's just Putin's inner circle driving all this anti-Russian policy!
driftingtinker driftingtinker Regular
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#291 ·
Gregory Ramos3 said:Probably... I was just catching some news on CNN about how Romanian planes intercepted a Ukrainian fighter that drifted into their airspace, since they've been ramping up patrols and staying on high alert since Thursday...

The Ukrainian F-15 Eagle probably just ran out of fuel and didn't have any backup, so landing in Romania was basically its only move.
Betty Murphy3 Betty Murphy3 Member
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#292 ·
Mark Clark6 said:Is it just my perception, or did Russia encounter far more resistance than their planners anticipated? It is difficult to decipher given the nature of this hybrid warfare, but after two days of operations, they have failed to secure a single significant city. It appears the only thing they have managed to seize is that desolate ruin near Chernobyl—a place the Ukrainians would likely be happy to hand over to Russia just to get rid of it.

The real experts here seem to be those constantly preaching about the fall of Ukraine and claiming Americans aren't fighting back. They clearly aren't looking at the maps. Aside from a few outskirts around larger cities, the Russians haven't penetrated deep anywhere. At this rate, this will drag on for weeks, perhaps months, before any sort of truce. And I suspect Putin won't have the luxury of waiting months; he'll likely feel pressured to commit additional forces to Ukraine. If he makes that move, we're talking about full-scale conventional war—and unfortunately, significantly more casualties on both sides.

As it stands, the death toll is somewhat contained; it isn't the catastrophe it would be if that little man launched a total offensive.

Then again, I wouldn't doubt his capacity for such madness. He was certainly reckless enough to invade a nation that, prior to the Maidan protests, was practically his puppet—back when he wasn't busy claiming Ukraine has no right to exist or denying they are even a real people. He didn't mention "Nazis" back then, did he? No, because he had what he wanted: a compliant government in Ukraine. Now, some people try to defend the Russians simply because Americans share a similar modus operandi. Or because Europe is kept on a short leash. I see the pattern, but that doesn't change the fact that Putin is a primary driver of this crisis. These are opportunists fighting for plunder, not for justice, morality, or democracy. Both the Americans and the Russians are predators here, not guardians of small nations or their democratic rights. I honestly fear for how much they truly care about democracy in a place like Ukraine—or even here in the States.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#293 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:Proposing Minsk is a joke, especially when you have attacks coming into Ukraine from Belarus. Warsaw might not be the perfect fix right now, but it's certainly more realistic than Minsk. In the end, we'll likely see Budapest, Turkey, or some other neutral third party—assuming a meeting even happens. This push for a summit seems rushed; it feels like someone isn't performing particularly well on the ground.

Personally, I think Ankara would be a perfectly viable option, and I honestly don't see why it wouldn't work for Zelenska.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#294 ·
urbanotter said:Maybe take a second to realize we're pretty centralized under the European Union too.
Without them, we couldn't even get a streetlamp installed correctly.
Everything else gets micromanaged from Brussels or Washington, D.C.

And honestly, we’re relatively okay with it, even if we've hit rock bottom.
But hey, that's on us, so I won't count it against the system.

Either you're just trolling for attention or you genuinely have no clue what you're talking about.

Go ahead and look up our actual authority as a member of the European Union, then go compare that to what the individual "republics" within the Russian Federation can actually do.
Edward Lee7 Edward Lee7 Member
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#295 ·
Carol Newman2 said:The West should honestly just slap sanctions on every single journalist working for RT.

I was watching... RT... quite a bit lately, both before and now.

It's honestly terrible. Just a complete mess. But hey, they're doing their job, pushing their propaganda...

But where do they even find journalists willing to do this? Most of them speak near-perfect English, I'd say...

And they all have these strange names, too. Like a weird mix of everything when it comes to people... first and last names...

☕
neonpuma30 neonpuma30 Member
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#296 ·
urbanotter said:Personally, I think Ankara would be a perfectly viable option, and I honestly don't see why it wouldn't work for Zelenska.

I mean, seriously, what's even the difference between Ankara and Warsaw?🤔
hollowwalker24 hollowwalker24 Member
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#297 ·
Russia’s sense of NATO ‘betrayal’—and why it actually matters right now

The idea that The Soviet union was tricked back in '89-'90 is pretty much the core of why Russia is clashing with the West today


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-matters-today

Basically, this is why Putin is so livid—back in '90, the U.S. Secretary of State allegedly promised Gorbachev that NATO wouldn't expand any further east than Germany. It felt like a total bait-and-switch

Some older analysis too, I guess:

Why Crisis is The West ’

Fault The liberal Delusions that Provoked Putin


https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...s-west-s-fault

Full text here:

https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-conte...-Crisis-Is.pdf

Carol Newman2 Carol Newman2 Regular
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#298 ·
CNN: Russia is reportedly threatening to kill soldiers and their families if they don't surrender
restlesseagle8 restlesseagle8 Newcomer
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#299 ·
Carol Newman2 said:The West should honestly just slap sanctions on every single journalist working for RT.

Man, that is just... wow. That is an absolutely terrifying thing to say.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#300 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Either you're just trolling for attention or you genuinely have no clue what you're talking about.

Go ahead and look up our actual authority as a member of the European Union, then go compare that to what the individual "republics" within the Russian Federation can actually do.

We aren't part of a federation; we're in a union.

And from where I’m sitting, it doesn't feel like we have any real say in anything significant as a member state.
Whenever we do manage to decide something, it usually has to be scrubbed or rewritten just to align with the European Union's legal framework anyway.
Once we fully integrate into the eurozone, our ability to make independent decisions is going to shrink even further.
It's a pretty grim thought—imagine being in a position where you can't even spend your own money without getting permission first.

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