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The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

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Participants Matthew Rodriguez9William Anderson5Lisa Jackson7Jeremy Peterson4driftingtinkerSam Wright21electrichawk94urbanottervelvetcyclist95Charles Fox10granitebadger24Frank Nguyen37wiredwolf13hollowwalker24gentleharbor3gentlecrane8Bradley Kingbluerider63Grace Bennett6Betty Murphy3William Clark86silentsurfer3hollowdriver13ironranger67 …
Betty Carter3 Betty Carter3 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#681 ·
Anthony Hill5 said:The FCC has issued notices stating that outlets such as Echo of Moscow, InoSMI, Mediazona, New Times, Dozhd, Svobodnaya press, Krym.Realii, Novaya Gazeta, Journalist, and Lenizdat have all been served with access restrictions due to the dissemination of inaccurate information.

These publications were essentially forced to scrub their content because they dared to refer to the ongoing situation in Ukraine as a war.

“These resources are publishing unreliable, socially significant information under the guise of credible messaging; specifically, they fail to reflect the reality regarding the shelling of Ukrainian cities by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the resulting civilian casualties caused by the Russian Army, while also containing materials that label the current operation as an attack, an invasion, or a declaration of war,” the RKN demand states.

Who wouldn't want to live under a regime-controlled lie factory?

Go ahead then—drop some reliable info from CNN. I’d actually like to stay informed.
Chris Chase5 Chris Chase5 Active Member
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joined Jul 2018
#682 ·
Samuel Jones8 said:At the end of the day, Putin needs to be held accountable, and I don't just mean for the lives of Ukrainians, but for all those young Russian kids he's basically throwing into the meat grinder just to satisfy his own twisted ambitions.

I'm with you on that. The Russian Army should probably just start surrendering bit by bit. It's not even about losing a traditional battle anymore, because that kind of warfare really doesn't belong in this day and age...
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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joined Jan 2018
#683 ·
William Anderson5 said:NATO might stay on the sidelines, but are you really certain the Americans won't move into Western Ukraine to establish a buffer zone if the situation spirals out of control?

There's just no way the US allows Russia to get close enough to their border to start running military exercises right on their doorstep in a couple of years...

That's highly unlikely. It’s much simpler, cheaper, and safer to maintain an independent, friendly Ukraine as a shield between themselves and the Russian Federation. If Ukraine somehow manages to drive the occupiers out of its territory—Poland wins regardless. They end up with a reliable ally sitting right on their eastern border.
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
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joined May 2018
#684 ·
It’s never a fair fight when you’re already up 3:1.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
705 messages
joined Feb 2022
#685 ·
Rachel Barrett8 said:Germany even sent over helmets.

Why not just send 200 Leopard 2 tanks and be done with it?

Because they don't have them. 🤣

The US Armed Forces has about 159 active Leopard 2s available.

If these numbers floating around online are actually right, the Ukrainians have already wiped out more Russian armor than the entire US Armed Forces even has on hand.
Joseph Clark95 Joseph Clark95 Newcomer
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#686 ·
Tyler Jones6 said:The invasion of Ukraine is definitive proof that membership in the NATO alliance is the only way to guarantee long-term peace for Europe!

Whether you call it the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation, or the Union State of Russia and Belarus—it’s really just a case of old wine in new bottles; the names change, but the behavior stays exactly the same.

Russia's intervention in Ukraine is proof that we're still living in a bipolar world.
American interventions have alienated billions of people in the countries where they've stepped in.
The Russian intervention in Ukraine was triggered by the targeting of pro-Russian populations.

What is the West actually seeing? They're just watching whatever narrative the Democrats push on the news.
Remember all those articles written by Democrats about Taiwan? In reality... well, in reality, you can just watch videos of a peaceful lecture from the Ukrainian military...
Jack Kelly5 Jack Kelly5 Active Member
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joined Sep 2019
#687 ·
Tyler Jones6 said:The invasion of Ukraine is definitive proof that membership in the NATO alliance is the only way to guarantee long-term peace for Europe!

Whether you call it the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation, or the Union State of Russia and Belarus—it’s really just a case of old wine in new bottles; the names change, but the behavior stays exactly the same.

That sounds like something you'd tell a toddler. If Russia ever decides to push toward the Baltic, I have a feeling NATO and the USA might just end up sitting on their hands... and staying right where they are.
placidnomad87 placidnomad87 Active Member
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#688 ·
Ashley Ramirez4 said:Honestly, I think he’s already lost it. That kind of rhetoric—especially since he’s never even hinted at stuff like this before—makes me think something serious went down psychologically. Either he’s totally lost control over what he's saying, or he's just gone off the deep end and those "spy movie" theories are starting to rattle around in his head. Not sure which one is worse, I guess.

The very fact that he’s an ex-KGB agent makes him a genuine danger to everyone around him. Is it possible that he’s developed schizophrenia, and his entire administration is suffering from the same delusion?
Betty Murphy3 Betty Murphy3 Member
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#689 ·
Ashley Ramirez4 said:Honestly, I think he’s already lost it. That kind of rhetoric—especially since he’s never even hinted at stuff like this before—makes me think something serious went down psychologically. Either he’s totally lost control over what he's saying, or he's just gone off the deep end and those "spy movie" theories are starting to rattle around in his head. Not sure which one is worse, I guess.

He was never exactly stable to begin with. Think about those old-school mob bosses back in the day—they start out just like Putin did in 2000, but as power grows, so does the arrogance. To understand people like him, you have to realize that absolute power breeds madness—and historically, madness is treated with either repression or, unfortunately in this case, war. If the Russians were actually thinking clearly, they would have refused to fight for this madman. Instead, both they and the Ukrainians will suffer; everyone loses here except the USA. Even we in Europe are already feeling the financial sting—prices are going up while wages stay flat. You'll see it soon enough: this little man is going to follow his madness to the bitter end. He wants to tear down the entire global order and is even threatening war. It’s not just that he’s unstable—if the Russians had even a shred of sense, they’d develop a strategy to remove him themselves, since he’s already jeopardized them and the worst is yet to come.
Betty Carter3 Betty Carter3 Member
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#690 ·
I'll just drop this right here.

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Hannah Alvarez2 Hannah Alvarez2 Active Member
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#691 ·
Betty Carter3 said:I'll just drop this right here.

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Ufffff, hahaahahaha! 🤣
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#692 ·
Tyler Jones6 said:The invasion of Ukraine is definitive proof that membership in the NATO alliance is the only way to guarantee long-term peace for Europe!

Whether you call it the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation, or the Union State of Russia and Belarus—it’s really just a case of old wine in new bottles; the names change, but the behavior stays exactly the same.

Or maybe it’s enough to just stay out of their way, especially if you’re sitting right on the border, and just declare military neutrality.
placidnomad87 placidnomad87 Active Member
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#693 ·
The history books tend to gloss over how many different nations were wiped out during the expansion of the Russian Empire toward the East. It’s one of those heavy truths that rarely gets center stage in our modern conversations, isn't it? It feels like we're constantly told that only the Germans were responsible for such actions, which just seems fundamentally incomplete. Perhaps that's why, in an effort to shift the narrative today, they're so focused on sending out masks and helmets.
silentfalcon3 silentfalcon3 Active Member
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joined May 2017
#694 ·
Jack Kelly5 said:That sounds like something you'd tell a toddler. If Russia ever decides to push toward the Baltic, I have a feeling NATO and the USA might just end up sitting on their hands... and staying right where they are.

Berlin is quite close to the Baltic coast, and Brussels isn't much further away either...
Justin Kern67 Justin Kern67 Member
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#695 ·
placidnomad87 said:The history books tend to gloss over how many different nations were wiped out during the expansion of the Russian Empire toward the East. It’s one of those heavy truths that rarely gets center stage in our modern conversations, isn't it? It feels like we're constantly told that only the Germans were responsible for such actions, which just seems fundamentally incomplete. Perhaps that's why, in an effort to shift the narrative today, they're so focused on sending out masks and helmets.

Could you perhaps provide even one specific example of these many nations they supposedly wiped out?
Betty Murphy3 Betty Murphy3 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#696 ·
Matthew Rodriguez9 said:Man, you're basically a pro military analyst at this point...

They let them advance toward the major cities just like the Soviet Union did—now let's see how those cowards from Patuljka hold up. It seems even the Russians aren't as agile as they were against the Germans; after all, Ukraine isn't exactly the Wehrmacht. Honestly, they are defending themselves quite well. Despite many fleeing, those who stayed have chosen to fight, and they make up the vast majority. Where else would you go? To America or Europe? You can't just hand your country over to Putin without a fight. Let the Putinophiles cheer all they want; the Russians are already taking much heavier losses despite their air and sea superiority, and even on land, things are stalling. This was supposed to be wrapped up in two days. Yesterday, you could see it on Putin's face—he was expecting a swift surrender from Ukraine, and his eyes weren't "dead" like usual; they started to "flicker." Mark my words, things are about to get very difficult for Putin.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#697 ·
Betty Carter3 said:Go ahead then—drop some reliable info from CNN. I’d actually like to stay informed.

I refuse to stoop quite that low. I have had more than enough of their "it's not that bad" propaganda.

'When are our upcoming invasions scheduled? I'd like to plan my vacation,' a diplomat mocks US-UK media

https://tass.com/world/1404247

Does anyone actually know when it will happen?
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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#698 ·
rowdytiger13 said:I doubt that’s going to do much more for them than cutting them off from SWIFT would have.

Some might see it as mere symbolism, but it really isn't. You only light up the Eiffel Tower when there's actual state backing behind it...

France is reaching its breaking point here, and honestly, nobody wants to see that happen—especially since France has those nukes too!

Regarding the whole SWIFT situation, I actually posted about it yesterday...
The French Minister of Economy, Le Maire, has already weighed in on it.
rowdypilot53 rowdypilot53 Member
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#699 ·
If the Ukrainians intend to put up a fight, there aren't enough Russians here to conquer the country. We aren't seeing advanced hardware, just Soviet-era tech from the seventies; air superiority is the only thing missing, but that doesn't change much in urban combat.

It’s only day three, and you don't seize that much territory in such a short window. My sense is that the Russians will reach Kyiv within the next few days... whether they actually take the city and head straight to negotiations or descend into brutal street fighting remains to be seen.
Gerald Torres84 Gerald Torres84 Active Member
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#700 ·
bluerider63 said:Or maybe it’s enough to just stay out of their way, especially if you’re sitting right on the border, and just declare military neutrality.

That is certainly an option, but who is going to guarantee that one day Putko2 won't decide to deny your nation's existence and launch a so-called "liberation" campaign? You would be standing alone against the Russians once again; at least this way, you have an alliance that has actually committed to defending you.

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