The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

loneviper4 said:That was just some guy from the Russian Ministry of Defense, you know, the one in the military fatigues giving the field report, if I'm remembering right...

Saying "some Russian said" or "some Ukrainian said" is a bit too simplistic. No matter how hard everyone tries to clarify what’s happening in Ukraine, it feels nearly impossible. There's the actual war on the ground, sure, but there's also this massive strategic war being fought through the media. Personally, I think you have to take everything with a heavy grain of salt.

We've all seen enough photos or videos that turned out to be completely disconnected from reality. One should be careful.

I honestly just want to know why NATO hasn't stepped in directly yet. Is it because they aren't ready and are slowly gearing up, or do they genuinely have no intention of entering a war? If it's the latter, you’d have to be an absolute idiot to close your eyes like a child and believe that the threat from Russia is just going to vanish once they take over Ukraine.
Absolutely. In my opinion, World War III is inevitable; we can never truly cooperate with Russia ever again.

The million-dollar question is really just how much the Russian domestic elite wants to be the most hated and rejected nation on the planet.
It doesn't seem like their youth—or the population in general—is particularly eager to be seen as some backward, regressive group, so I guess the real question is just how long it takes them to get their act together and handle their own mess.
Maybe they'll eventually see those assholes who ruined everything for them being laughed off the main town square.

Now this is what I call real resistance against the occupiers! In this video, you can see Ukrainian citizens using Molotov cocktails to push back the Russians.

Joseph Cruz said:Reporter: That car in Kyiv didn't run over a Russian tank—it was actually a Ukrainian vehicle.

...The veteran war correspondent Elijah J. Magnier shared a similar account. "That is a Ukrainian FIM-92 Stinger and the driver simply wasn't paying attention when they pulled into the lane where the car was located," the seasoned reporter posted on Twitter....

If this turns out to be true, it’s an unprecedented level of smear campaigning.
The inflammatory journalism coming from Index has become downright nauseating. They haven't published a single piece that feels objective or informative lately. No reputable news outlet reports like this; it’s as if their sole purpose is to incite people.

They are just strictly following Plenki's political line regarding Ukraine and our own standing in all of this.

Looks like we might be seeing a bit of a 'revolt' brewing within the Russian ranks—at least in the diplomatic circles for now

https://www.nytimes.com/news/world/us-diplomacy/0je%20Kortunov.

Tyler Jones6 said:Sickening!

And who exactly has Putin hired at the expense of the Russians?
It’s easy enough to see if you just look at the list of the wealthiest Russians.

Who is actually claiming that Ukraine is defending itself with slingshots (link)?
Why has the West been arming Ukraine for eight years?
What exactly happened eight years ago when Ukraine was still neutral?

As for this bit about Syria 🤣—have you actually looked at a map of Syria from 2010 compared to today?
The Kurds hold more ground in Syria than they do in Iraq. ☕

Russia is so far ahead that the Americans only found out everything at the very last minute. 🤣🤣🤣

There is also a third option: a stubborn Ukrainian defense resulting in massive Russian losses—losses that could cost Putin his position and force the Russians to end up just like they did in Afghanistan.

Syria was the turning point for the "American" world order, but that's a whole other conversation.
That last scenario isn't going to happen, and I'll tell you why.
Russia's most vital allies are standing right by their side, specifically:
China, which is actually the only major player in all of this besides Russia, the Ukrainians, and the Americans.
Turkey is only pro-Western on paper. After Erdoğan crushed the rebellion that the West tried to spark—essentially trying to "conquer" Turkey just like they wanted to with Ukraine—Turkey defended itself and became the free, dictatorial state under Erdoğan it is today.
If Israel ever stops acting as an aggressor, the Islamic world will absolutely flatten them.

Evincar333 said:So, did we just wave goodbye to our own versions of Putin (like Maddox or Babić) across our borders?
This isn't a war fought on American soil. If the Ukrainians want a sovereign state, they have to fight for it with their own blood, just like we had to do.
Every single American stands behind the Ukrainian people because they are living through exactly what we endured—fighting entirely alone without anyone lifting a finger to help!
And you, lady, feel free to keep tapping away at your keyboard like a complete idiot.

Listen, kid, those are two completely different things. We didn't spend years locked in border conflicts with the Mexicans simply because we refused to follow certain agreements or play along with specific terms.
Do you even grasp why Ukraine won't be joining the EU or NATO?

We really ought to start identifying which specific industries within the European Union have been most crippled by China's economic surge—and then begin implementing targeted sanctions against them, given that they are essentially bankrolling the Russian invasion!

Killing two birds with one stone ☕

neonbison6 said:Now this is what I call real resistance against the occupiers! In this video, you can see Ukrainian citizens using Molotov cocktails to push back the Russians.

I'm feeling pretty certain this footage is actually older, probably dating all the way back to 2014.

neonbison6 said:Now this is what I call real resistance against the occupiers! In this video, you can see Ukrainian citizens using Molotov cocktails to push back the Russians.

Brava! Well done... 👍

neonbison6 said:Now this is what I call real resistance against the occupiers! In this video, you can see Ukrainian citizens using Molotov cocktails to push back the Russians.

Man, that has to be a brutal way to go. You basically get cooked alive inside a tank.

William Anderson5 said:

Just the standard rhetoric used to deny the existence of the Ukrainian nation... history really does have a way of repeating itself.

It feels like NATO is just sitting back, waiting for some massive turning point in the war before they finally decide to step in—maybe that’s actually the strategy all along. NOBODY IS GOING TO DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY FOR FREE!

Charles Fox10 said:Saying "some Russian said" or "some Ukrainian said" is a bit too simplistic. No matter how hard everyone tries to clarify what’s happening in Ukraine, it feels nearly impossible. There's the actual war on the ground, sure, but there's also this massive strategic war being fought through the media. Personally, I think you have to take everything with a heavy grain of salt.

We've all seen enough photos or videos that turned out to be completely disconnected from reality. One should be careful.

I'm with you on that. 👍

But hey, if the Brits sent enough of that gear over, why wouldn't it be weird if a few pieces ended up in Russian hands? Just enough for some geek to get his hands on them and tear them apart.

It's not like we haven't seen it happen—just in the last two days, we've seen equipment abandoned by the side of the road on both the Russian and Ukrainian sides. The real headache for the Russians will be tracking down those German helmets... who knows where they wandered off to!? 🙄

neonbison6 said:Now this is what I call real resistance against the occupiers! In this video, you can see Ukrainian citizens using Molotov cocktails to push back the Russians.

It’s essentially the warm welcome one gives to uninvited guests.

Doesn't really matter which tank it is, honestly. I'm leaning toward it being Ukrainian. There's no way a Russian tank is just cruising around Ukraine without a fight.

Hannah Alvarez2 said:Man, that has to be a brutal way to go. You basically get cooked alive inside a tank.

At the end of the day, Putin needs to be held accountable, and I don't just mean for the lives of Ukrainians, but for all those young Russian kids he's basically throwing into the meat grinder just to satisfy his own twisted ambitions.

William Anderson5 said:

I caught about three minutes of Sloba in this clip. He’s out there defending Stalin while tearing down Lenin and criticizing the whole idea of national self-determination from back in '24... honestly, everyone should sit down and watch this. It really makes you wonder if people actually agree with losing their own unique identity just to have some other, imposed identity forced upon them. Is that what we want—to live in a country where there's only ever one allowed way of thinking? Because guys like Stalin and Putin aren't exactly looking out for global peace or a unified world; they're focused on their own specific group and making sure there's only one "correct" opinion...

I'll finish watching the whole thing once I get back from my trip. Thanks.

velvetmason14 said:If this turns out to be true, it’s an unprecedented level of smear campaigning.
The inflammatory journalism coming from Index has become downright nauseating. They haven't published a single piece that feels objective or informative lately. No reputable news outlet reports like this; it’s as if their sole purpose is to incite people.

They are just strictly following Plenki's political line regarding Ukraine and our own standing in all of this.

Index really needs to start facing some draconian penalties for this kind of nonsense—and I don't just mean regarding this Ukraine-Russia conflict, but in general.