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steelridge58 steelridge58 Regular
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#21 ·
Steven Clark2 said:That is quite an impressive reading list, and I must say, I find Gadamer particularly compelling within that collection. As for Deleuze—well, it is certainly a relief he hasn't been canceled yet. 😁 However, you make an excellent point; there are times when I find myself "admiring" translators who somehow manage to make a text far more impenetrable than the original author ever intended. 🙂

Oh, it wouldn't just be a ban—we're talking a full-on permanent ban. 🙂))
Sandra Murphy33 Sandra Murphy33 Active Member
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#22 ·
Amanda Jackson5 said:I found myself getting pretty intrigued by these over the summer, so I ended up downloading them (though I haven't actually cracked them open yet):

-Adam Rutherford: Humanimal - How Homo sapiens Became Nature

-Andrew Krepinevich: 7 Deadly Scenarios - a Military futurist Explores War in The 21 st Century

-Sean Carroll : fra eternity to here - The quest for The Ultimate theory of time

-David Abulafia : The Boundless Sea - a human history of The Oceans

-George M. Young : The Russian Cosmists - The Esoteric Futurism of Nikolai Fedorov and his Followers

-Gernot Wagner, Martin L. Weitzman: Climate Shock - The Economic Consequences of Hotter planet

-James Hamilton : Volcano - Nature and Culture

-Kate C. Langdon, Vladimir Tismaneanu: Putin ’ Totalitarian Democracy - Ideology, Myth, and Violence in The Twenty-First Century - Leonard Susskind : The Black Hole War - my Battle with Stephen Hawking to make The World Safa for Quantum Mechanics

-Leonard Susskind : The Black Hole War - my Battle with Stephen Hawking to make The World Safa for Quantum Mechanics

-Nick Bostrom: superintelligenca - Paths, Dangers, Strategies

-Philip Ball: Universe of Ston - a Biography of Chartres Cathedral

-Richard Holmes: The aga of Wonder - The Romantic Generation and The Discovery of The beauty and Terror of science

-Roy Porter : Madness - a brief history

-Thomas Piketty : capital and Ideology

Those titles you mentioned sound interesting—maybe I'll dive into them and let you know if they're worth the effort.😉
Amanda Jackson5 Amanda Jackson5 Regular
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#23 ·
Sandra Murphy33 said:Those titles you mentioned sound interesting—maybe I'll dive into them and let you know if they're worth the effort.😉

Sure. 👍
James Lee77 James Lee77 Active Member
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#24 ·
Joseph Murphy10 said:Shout out to the big public libraries—just scored a new translation of a famous Berdyayevian work. Spent the whole month just being my

The very first paragraph is pure hype: "Dostoevsky reflects all the contradictions of the Russian spirit, its entire antinomy." Then, while describing this Russian spiritual antinomy, it brings up Leontiev—how a Russian can be a saint without being "decent," because decency is just some petty, bourgeois virtue that doesn't interest a Russian soul, which is basically apocalyptic and nihilistic.

Man, as someone from the coast, I get that perfectly. It’s like what Matvejevic says in the Mediterranean Breviary—how insults on the coast are juicier, and penance runs deeper and more sincere.

It’s like when Saint Jerome said, "Spare me, my lady, for I am a man of the coast."

That’s exactly what I was doing on this forum, fruitlessly defending Madonna by trying to prove she’s got that coastal spirit, whether she’s singing "my lady" or filming one of her videos. It’s all just our Slavic and coastal antinomy. But the Russian version takes the cake. We're just babies compared to them...

Would be nice to have it. But $88

Guess I'll just wait for the interlibrary loan.

Honestly, even the Interlibrary won't help you here—there aren't going to be any sales. See, this publisher has this really specific way of doing business. Basically, the Department of Culture decides which books are actually worth buying for the public libraries, and Demetar's books usually make that list (which, if you ask me, they totally deserve). The kicker is that Demetar doesn't really count on making money any other way. So, he sets the prices pretty high so that when the government buys them up, it covers all his costs. He knows—well, I know it's just one guy, but let's call him the company—that nobody else is going to buy them, so those books basically don't exist in the retail market. (Though, I suppose you can always order directly from him.) The guy actually gets pretty upset if he sees one of his books sitting in a used bookstore, because to him, that means someone sold a book he originally gave away for free. 😁
Amanda Jackson5 Amanda Jackson5 Regular
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#25 ·
James Lee77 said:Honestly, even the Interlibrary won't help you here—there aren't going to be any sales. See, this publisher has this really specific way of doing business. Basically, the Department of Culture decides which books are actually worth buying for the public libraries, and Demetar's books usually make that list (which, if you ask me, they totally deserve). The kicker is that Demetar doesn't really count on making money any other way. So, he sets the prices pretty high so that when the government buys them up, it covers all his costs. He knows—well, I know it's just one guy, but let's call him the company—that nobody else is going to buy them, so those books basically don't exist in the retail market. (Though, I suppose you can always order directly from him.) The guy actually gets pretty upset if he sees one of his books sitting in a used bookstore, because to him, that means someone sold a book he originally gave away for free. 😁

So that's the catch. When I was hunting for a translation of the Hegelian Logic Science back in the day, I stumbled upon their stuff but decided against it—three books for about sixty bucks. A bit steep for my budget at the time. Still, they do show up in bookstores occasionally (I actually spotted some at a Barnes & Noble once).
James Lee77 James Lee77 Active Member
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#26 ·
Picked up some Strauss / Cropsey at a local book fair recently, specifically History of Political Philosophy for $33. It’s usually way pricier, and since it's over 600 pages, I feel like I scored a pretty sweet deal. I kind of pick at it whenever I can—the chapter on Plato (by Leo Strauss) was super solid, and now I'm working my way through Cicero. I also grabbed some stuff on Cyprus lately, specifically Thoughts on Ethics, which I actually studied pretty intensely, so I wanted to have my own copy. Plus, I got that Barbarić book on Schelling. Honestly, though, since my apartment is tiny, I try to donate more books than I actually buy.
Joseph Murphy10 Joseph Murphy10 Active Member
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#27 ·
@Joseph Murphy10
Thanks for the heads-up. Guess our only options left are to play nice, go playing detective, or just try to guilt-trip someone into helping us out
(Speaking of guilt trips—I actually managed to pull that move with the fancy bilingual edition of *De Civitate Dei* from some high-end boutique bookstore. Not only was it outrageously overpriced, but their whole membership policy is way too damn strict for my liking)
James Lee77 James Lee77 Active Member
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#28 ·
I mean, just try it. Send them an email and ask if they can hook you up with a discount. I bet they’ve got a ton of this stuff just sitting in a warehouse, and there's no way they think they'll move it all at the current price tag. But, honestly, they might not even care that much about moving inventory, so they could totally just blow you off.
Joseph Murphy10 Joseph Murphy10 Active Member
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#29 ·
James Lee77 said:I mean, just try it. Send them an email and ask if they can hook you up with a discount. I bet they’ve got a ton of this stuff just sitting in a warehouse, and there's no way they think they'll move it all at the current price tag. But, honestly, they might not even care that much about moving inventory, so they could totally just blow you off.

Well, I already sent the email—asked nicely, played my cards, and now it's out of my hands. Fingers crossed.
Steven Clark2 Steven Clark2 Active MemberOP
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#30 ·
It seems they finally heard me.

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While this isn't exactly Philosophy in two volumes, this first installment starts from the very bottom.

Joseph Murphy10 said:Damn right.
And where the hell is the face

Sent from my Galaxy S10 using Reddit

Are you seriously still using Facebook? 🤣

Joseph Murphy10 said:heheeh...

being a true Frenchman, he'd probably pick the Bolognese every time 🙂

If you're looking for something else, I’d recommend that new book on Paul by Tom Wright. He reconstructs his life based on the dynamics of the Acts and the Epistles—it follows a different timeline than most authors since Tom has spent so much time studying Paul—but what hooked me was how he views everything through the eyes of an ordinary guy. Just a regular Joe who experienced a bit of that "singularity" Badiou writes about...

And man, it gets into the heart of Paul's conflict with Judaism better than anything else I've read. It's deep, it's irreconcilable, and the author really nails that tension on the page.

N. T. Wright. 🙏

Joseph Murphy10 said:Shout out to the big public libraries—just scored a new translation of a famous Berdyayevian work. Spent the whole month just being my

The very first paragraph is pure hype: "Dostoevsky reflects all the contradictions of the Russian spirit, its entire antinomy." Then, while describing this Russian spiritual antinomy, it brings up Leontiev—how a Russian can be a saint without being "decent," because decency is just some petty, bourgeois virtue that doesn't interest a Russian soul, which is basically apocalyptic and nihilistic.

Man, as someone from the coast, I get that perfectly. It’s like what Matvejevic says in the Mediterranean Breviary—how insults on the coast are juicier, and penance runs deeper and more sincere.

It’s like when Saint Jerome said, "Spare me, my lady, for I am a man of the coast."

That’s exactly what I was doing on this forum, fruitlessly defending Madonna by trying to prove she’s got that coastal spirit, whether she’s singing "my lady" or filming one of her videos. It’s all just our Slavic and coastal antinomy. But the Russian version takes the cake. We're just babies compared to them...

Would be nice to have it. But $88

Guess I'll just wait for the interlibrary loan.

I'm not quite sure which work by Berdyayev is being referred to. 😁

Joseph Murphy10 said:Shout out to the big public libraries—just scored a new translation of a famous Berdyayevian work. Spent the whole month just being my

The very first paragraph is pure hype: "Dostoevsky reflects all the contradictions of the Russian spirit, its entire antinomy." Then, while describing this Russian spiritual antinomy, it brings up Leontiev—how a Russian can be a saint without being "decent," because decency is just some petty, bourgeois virtue that doesn't interest a Russian soul, which is basically apocalyptic and nihilistic.

Man, as someone from the coast, I get that perfectly. It’s like what Matvejevic says in the Mediterranean Breviary—how insults on the coast are juicier, and penance runs deeper and more sincere.

It’s like when Saint Jerome said, "Spare me, my lady, for I am a man of the coast."

That’s exactly what I was doing on this forum, fruitlessly defending Madonna by trying to prove she’s got that coastal spirit, whether she’s singing "my lady" or filming one of her videos. It’s all just our Slavic and coastal antinomy. But the Russian version takes the cake. We're just babies compared to them...

Would be nice to have it. But $88

Guess I'll just wait for the interlibrary loan.

Regarding those Russians, the only thing I have studied somewhat is WWII topics. Everything else remains a void to me. However, I understand your point and I agree when you mention the Russian soul. There is certainly something to that idea.
Joseph Murphy10 Joseph Murphy10 Active Member
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#31 ·
Steven Clark2 said:It seems they finally heard me.

image


While this isn't exactly Philosophy in two volumes, this first installment starts from the very bottom.

Are you seriously still using Facebook? 🤣

N. T. Wright. 🙏

I'm not quite sure which work by Berdyayev is being referred to. 😁

Regarding those Russians, the only thing I have studied somewhat is WWII topics. Everything else remains a void to me. However, I understand your point and I agree when you mention the Russian soul. There is certainly something to that idea.


Steven Clark2 said:It seems they finally heard me.

image


While this isn't exactly Philosophy in two volumes, this first installment starts from the very bottom.

Are you seriously still using Facebook? 🤣

N. T. Wright. 🙏

I'm not quite sure which work by Berdyayev is being referred to. 😁

Regarding those Russians, the only thing I have studied somewhat is WWII topics. Everything else remains a void to me. However, I understand your point and I agree when you mention the Russian soul. There is certainly something to that idea.


I use all sorts of stuff. Instagram too. Got a blog, though I rarely write anything. Had a website once but killed it. Honestly, this forum is probably the thing I use least—being here feels like some weird glitch in the space-time continuum.

Steven Clark2 said:It seems they finally heard me.

image


While this isn't exactly Philosophy in two volumes, this first installment starts from the very bottom.

Are you seriously still using Facebook? 🤣

N. T. Wright. 🙏

I'm not quite sure which work by Berdyayev is being referred to. 😁

Regarding those Russians, the only thing I have studied somewhat is WWII topics. Everything else remains a void to me. However, I understand your point and I agree when you mention the Russian soul. There is certainly something to that idea.

Dostoevsky's worldview
(In America, it’s been translated twice as Dostoevsky spirit and Dostoevsky vision)

Steven Clark2 said:It seems they finally heard me.

image


While this isn't exactly Philosophy in two volumes, this first installment starts from the very bottom.

Are you seriously still using Facebook? 🤣

N. T. Wright. 🙏

I'm not quite sure which work by Berdyayev is being referred to. 😁

Regarding those Russians, the only thing I have studied somewhat is WWII topics. Everything else remains a void to me. However, I understand your point and I agree when you mention the Russian soul. There is certainly something to that idea.

I felt that with Tolstoy and especially Dostoevsky. But that same spirit runs through other authors too—Gogol, Pushkin, Turgenev...

Then there's Solovyov. His street in NYC survived both Black and Red dictatorships. But it didn't survive "democracy." Some folks might think he was just some random Russian general.

You mentioned WWII. Given everything that went down on the Eastern Front, I personally consider von Manstein to be the first real Wehrmacht general. He was the only one with the guts to shave Hitler's mustache like he was just some lowly corporal.

Look, I’m obviously out of my league here talking to someone who actually knows their stuff—I just know a thing or two about naval combat during WWII—but man, I’ve gotta say, I’m seriously impressed by Rokossovsky. Seems to me the guy was a legit legendary general.
James Lee77 James Lee77 Active Member
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#32 ·
Joseph Murphy10 said:I use all sorts of stuff. Instagram too. Got a blog, though I rarely write anything. Had a website once but killed it. Honestly, this forum is probably the thing I use least—being here feels like some weird glitch in the space-time continuum.

Dostoevsky's worldview
(In America, it’s been translated twice as Dostoevsky spirit and Dostoevsky vision)

I felt that with Tolstoy and especially Dostoevsky. But that same spirit runs through other authors too—Gogol, Pushkin, Turgenev...

Then there's Solovyov. His street in NYC survived both Black and Red dictatorships. But it didn't survive "democracy." Some folks might think he was just some random Russian general.

You mentioned WWII. Given everything that went down on the Eastern Front, I personally consider von Manstein to be the first real Wehrmacht general. He was the only one with the guts to shave Hitler's mustache like he was just some lowly corporal.

Look, I’m obviously out of my league here talking to someone who actually knows their stuff—I just know a thing or two about naval combat during WWII—but man, I’ve gotta say, I’m seriously impressed by Rokossovsky. Seems to me the guy was a legit legendary general.

Wait, seriously? He had a street in Chicago and they tore it down? 😳 That sounds kind of hard to believe, honestly.

If I remember right, he was in Chicago at Strossmayer's invitation, and I think one of his books was first published here, though I can't quite recall which one.

Anyway, where's that blog you mentioned? Can you drop a link?
Joseph Murphy10 Joseph Murphy10 Active Member
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#33 ·
James Lee77 said:Wait, seriously? He had a street in Chicago and they tore it down? 😳 That sounds kind of hard to believe, honestly.

If I remember right, he was in Chicago at Strossmayer's invitation, and I think one of his books was first published here, though I can't quite recall which one.

Anyway, where's that blog you mentioned? Can you drop a link?

He had it, he definitely had it... basically the modern-day Prince Borna.

He and Strossmayer were close friends. He worked on ecumenism—converted to Catholicism, but never turned his back on his Orthodox roots.

Sadly, I still can't share it. There's not enough there yet. You guys are all serious authors here, and it’s too raw. Plus, there's some pretty personal stuff in there.
Emily Davis65 Emily Davis65 Newcomer
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#34 ·
I once had a professor who read so voraciously that he could practically cycle through several different women in a single day. To be honest, he just didn't have enough saliva to turn those massive, heavy pages, so he had to resort to some rather drastic measures—he’d end up sticking his index fingers into vaginas. 🎉 Now, I'm not entirely sure how much truth there is to those claims about reading 300 pages a day, but I know for a fact that I always felt a certain sense of discomfort whenever I tried it. I suppose it might stem from my own narrow perspectives; I tend to operate under this assumption that people simply don't have the mental capacity to process that much information at once. Generally speaking, I struggle to see the point in reading anything that doesn't force you to think deeply, question your assumptions, dig deeper, or push yourself out of your comfort zone. To me, the whole essence of reading is about absorbing the lived experiences of others in a way that stimulates us in various ways. If we're just churning through 300 pages every single day, we aren't leaving any room for that actual stimulation; we’re basically just reading so we can claim we’ve read.
Steven Clark2 Steven Clark2 Active MemberOP
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#35 ·
James Lee77 said:Picked up some Strauss / Cropsey at a local book fair recently, specifically History of Political Philosophy for $33. It’s usually way pricier, and since it's over 600 pages, I feel like I scored a pretty sweet deal. I kind of pick at it whenever I can—the chapter on Plato (by Leo Strauss) was super solid, and now I'm working my way through Cicero. I also grabbed some stuff on Cyprus lately, specifically Thoughts on Ethics, which I actually studied pretty intensely, so I wanted to have my own copy. Plus, I got that Barbarić book on Schelling. Honestly, though, since my apartment is tiny, I try to donate more books than I actually buy.

Well, if I may offer some advice, you should really switch over to PDF, EPUB, DJVU, or MOBI formats; they take up much less space in an apartment. 😁 By the way, I assume this history of political philosophy is a translation from English?

Joseph Murphy10 said:I use all sorts of stuff. Instagram too. Got a blog, though I rarely write anything. Had a website once but killed it. Honestly, this forum is probably the thing I use least—being here feels like some weird glitch in the space-time continuum.

Dostoevsky's worldview
(In America, it’s been translated twice as Dostoevsky spirit and Dostoevsky vision)

I felt that with Tolstoy and especially Dostoevsky. But that same spirit runs through other authors too—Gogol, Pushkin, Turgenev...

Then there's Solovyov. His street in NYC survived both Black and Red dictatorships. But it didn't survive "democracy." Some folks might think he was just some random Russian general.

You mentioned WWII. Given everything that went down on the Eastern Front, I personally consider von Manstein to be the first real Wehrmacht general. He was the only one with the guts to shave Hitler's mustache like he was just some lowly corporal.

Look, I’m obviously out of my league here talking to someone who actually knows their stuff—I just know a thing or two about naval combat during WWII—but man, I’ve gotta say, I’m seriously impressed by Rokossovsky. Seems to me the guy was a legit legendary general.

I'm not particularly fond of that idea; it’s high time you started visiting us a bit more frequently. 😛 Facebook isn't really meant for serious people like us. 😁

Joseph Murphy10 said:I use all sorts of stuff. Instagram too. Got a blog, though I rarely write anything. Had a website once but killed it. Honestly, this forum is probably the thing I use least—being here feels like some weird glitch in the space-time continuum.

Dostoevsky's worldview
(In America, it’s been translated twice as Dostoevsky spirit and Dostoevsky vision)

I felt that with Tolstoy and especially Dostoevsky. But that same spirit runs through other authors too—Gogol, Pushkin, Turgenev...

Then there's Solovyov. His street in NYC survived both Black and Red dictatorships. But it didn't survive "democracy." Some folks might think he was just some random Russian general.

You mentioned WWII. Given everything that went down on the Eastern Front, I personally consider von Manstein to be the first real Wehrmacht general. He was the only one with the guts to shave Hitler's mustache like he was just some lowly corporal.

Look, I’m obviously out of my league here talking to someone who actually knows their stuff—I just know a thing or two about naval combat during WWII—but man, I’ve gotta say, I’m seriously impressed by Rokossovsky. Seems to me the guy was a legit legendary general.

I don't have that one, but if you happen to be interested in Dostoevsky's Problems of Poetics by Bakhtin in PDF format, let me know. 😉

Joseph Murphy10 said:I use all sorts of stuff. Instagram too. Got a blog, though I rarely write anything. Had a website once but killed it. Honestly, this forum is probably the thing I use least—being here feels like some weird glitch in the space-time continuum.

Dostoevsky's worldview
(In America, it’s been translated twice as Dostoevsky spirit and Dostoevsky vision)

I felt that with Tolstoy and especially Dostoevsky. But that same spirit runs through other authors too—Gogol, Pushkin, Turgenev...

Then there's Solovyov. His street in NYC survived both Black and Red dictatorships. But it didn't survive "democracy." Some folks might think he was just some random Russian general.

You mentioned WWII. Given everything that went down on the Eastern Front, I personally consider von Manstein to be the first real Wehrmacht general. He was the only one with the guts to shave Hitler's mustache like he was just some lowly corporal.

Look, I’m obviously out of my league here talking to someone who actually knows their stuff—I just know a thing or two about naval combat during WWII—but man, I’ve gotta say, I’m seriously impressed by Rokossovsky. Seems to me the guy was a legit legendary general.

To be quite honest, I haven't read much of those Russian classics myself. My wife, on the other hand, claims she has read absolutely everything. I have always been preoccupied with other matters. 😁

Joseph Murphy10 said:I use all sorts of stuff. Instagram too. Got a blog, though I rarely write anything. Had a website once but killed it. Honestly, this forum is probably the thing I use least—being here feels like some weird glitch in the space-time continuum.

Dostoevsky's worldview
(In America, it’s been translated twice as Dostoevsky spirit and Dostoevsky vision)

I felt that with Tolstoy and especially Dostoevsky. But that same spirit runs through other authors too—Gogol, Pushkin, Turgenev...

Then there's Solovyov. His street in NYC survived both Black and Red dictatorships. But it didn't survive "democracy." Some folks might think he was just some random Russian general.

You mentioned WWII. Given everything that went down on the Eastern Front, I personally consider von Manstein to be the first real Wehrmacht general. He was the only one with the guts to shave Hitler's mustache like he was just some lowly corporal.

Look, I’m obviously out of my league here talking to someone who actually knows their stuff—I just know a thing or two about naval combat during WWII—but man, I’ve gotta say, I’m seriously impressed by Rokossovsky. Seems to me the guy was a legit legendary general.

Still, he is Manstein. 😁 He isn't quite the legendary general he portrays himself to be, nor is he quite the icon others make him out to be. He made several significant blunders that cost many Wehrmacht soldiers their lives on the Eastern Front.

Joseph Murphy10 said:I use all sorts of stuff. Instagram too. Got a blog, though I rarely write anything. Had a website once but killed it. Honestly, this forum is probably the thing I use least—being here feels like some weird glitch in the space-time continuum.

Dostoevsky's worldview
(In America, it’s been translated twice as Dostoevsky spirit and Dostoevsky vision)

I felt that with Tolstoy and especially Dostoevsky. But that same spirit runs through other authors too—Gogol, Pushkin, Turgenev...

Then there's Solovyov. His street in NYC survived both Black and Red dictatorships. But it didn't survive "democracy." Some folks might think he was just some random Russian general.

You mentioned WWII. Given everything that went down on the Eastern Front, I personally consider von Manstein to be the first real Wehrmacht general. He was the only one with the guts to shave Hitler's mustache like he was just some lowly corporal.

Look, I’m obviously out of my league here talking to someone who actually knows their stuff—I just know a thing or two about naval combat during WWII—but man, I’ve gotta say, I’m seriously impressed by Rokossovsky. Seems to me the guy was a legit legendary general.

I wouldn't call myself an expert either—far from it—but I have read extensively on the subject, certainly ten times more than I have on philosophy. Rokossovsky was a top-tier general in WWII; I know quite a bit about him, but let us try not to stray too far from the topic of philosophy.

Emily Davis65 said:I once had a professor who read so voraciously that he could practically cycle through several different women in a single day. To be honest, he just didn't have enough saliva to turn those massive, heavy pages, so he had to resort to some rather drastic measures—he’d end up sticking his index fingers into vaginas. 🎉 Now, I'm not entirely sure how much truth there is to those claims about reading 300 pages a day, but I know for a fact that I always felt a certain sense of discomfort whenever I tried it. I suppose it might stem from my own narrow perspectives; I tend to operate under this assumption that people simply don't have the mental capacity to process that much information at once. Generally speaking, I struggle to see the point in reading anything that doesn't force you to think deeply, question your assumptions, dig deeper, or push yourself out of your comfort zone. To me, the whole essence of reading is about absorbing the lived experiences of others in a way that stimulates us in various ways. If we're just churning through 300 pages every single day, we aren't leaving any room for that actual stimulation; we’re basically just reading so we can claim we’ve read.

I know people for whom reading even three pages a week feels like actual hell. 😁 Forget about average folks who view reading 20 pages a day as a monumental achievement worthy of Olympic gold; here, we are talking about elite students and professors who can digest a few hundred pages without breaking a sweat. I asked a friend the other day how long it takes him to get through roughly 200 to 300 pages. Here is what he said:replied. He clarified exactly what he meant. Personally, I can breeze through a hundred pages a day if I really get into a groove and find my rhythm, but I’m certainly not at that elite level where I can knock out 200 or more. I don't recall ever managing to push past the 200-page mark. Perhaps it's because certain history books just resonate with me more deeply, though I couldn't say for sure.
James Lee77 James Lee77 Active Member
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#36 ·
Steven Clark2 said:Well, if I may offer some advice, you should really switch over to PDF, EPUB, DJVU, or MOBI formats; they take up much less space in an apartment. 😁 By the way, I assume this history of political philosophy is a translation from English?

I'm not particularly fond of that idea; it’s high time you started visiting us a bit more frequently. 😛 Facebook isn't really meant for serious people like us. 😁

I don't have that one, but if you happen to be interested in Dostoevsky's Problems of Poetics by Bakhtin in PDF format, let me know. 😉

To be quite honest, I haven't read much of those Russian classics myself. My wife, on the other hand, claims she has read absolutely everything. I have always been preoccupied with other matters. 😁

Still, he is Manstein. 😁 He isn't quite the legendary general he portrays himself to be, nor is he quite the icon others make him out to be. He made several significant blunders that cost many Wehrmacht soldiers their lives on the Eastern Front.

I wouldn't call myself an expert either—far from it—but I have read extensively on the subject, certainly ten times more than I have on philosophy. Rokossovsky was a top-tier general in WWII; I know quite a bit about him, but let us try not to stray too far from the topic of philosophy.

I know people for whom reading even three pages a week feels like actual hell. 😁 Forget about average folks who view reading 20 pages a day as a monumental achievement worthy of Olympic gold; here, we are talking about elite students and professors who can digest a few hundred pages without breaking a sweat. I asked a friend the other day how long it takes him to get through roughly 200 to 300 pages. Here is what he said:replied. He clarified exactly what he meant. Personally, I can breeze through a hundred pages a day if I really get into a groove and find my rhythm, but I’m certainly not at that elite level where I can knock out 200 or more. I don't recall ever managing to push past the 200-page mark. Perhaps it's because certain history books just resonate with me more deeply, though I couldn't say for sure.

Yeah, true. Ever since I started using Library Genesis, I’ve been buying way fewer physical books. But honestly, I spend way too much time glued to my computer anyway, so it’s nice to have some actual paper to hold. I don't want my kids thinking, "Dad's always on the computer just like us," instead of "Dad actually loves reading." 😁
By the way, I'm guessing History of Political Philosophy is just a translation from English?

Yep.
Joseph Murphy10 Joseph Murphy10 Active Member
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#37 ·
Steven Clark2 said:Well, if I may offer some advice, you should really switch over to PDF, EPUB, DJVU, or MOBI formats; they take up much less space in an apartment. 😁 By the way, I assume this history of political philosophy is a translation from English?

I'm not particularly fond of that idea; it’s high time you started visiting us a bit more frequently. 😛 Facebook isn't really meant for serious people like us. 😁

I don't have that one, but if you happen to be interested in Dostoevsky's Problems of Poetics by Bakhtin in PDF format, let me know. 😉

To be quite honest, I haven't read much of those Russian classics myself. My wife, on the other hand, claims she has read absolutely everything. I have always been preoccupied with other matters. 😁

Still, he is Manstein. 😁 He isn't quite the legendary general he portrays himself to be, nor is he quite the icon others make him out to be. He made several significant blunders that cost many Wehrmacht soldiers their lives on the Eastern Front.

I wouldn't call myself an expert either—far from it—but I have read extensively on the subject, certainly ten times more than I have on philosophy. Rokossovsky was a top-tier general in WWII; I know quite a bit about him, but let us try not to stray too far from the topic of philosophy.

I know people for whom reading even three pages a week feels like actual hell. 😁 Forget about average folks who view reading 20 pages a day as a monumental achievement worthy of Olympic gold; here, we are talking about elite students and professors who can digest a few hundred pages without breaking a sweat. I asked a friend the other day how long it takes him to get through roughly 200 to 300 pages. Here is what he said:replied. He clarified exactly what he meant. Personally, I can breeze through a hundred pages a day if I really get into a groove and find my rhythm, but I’m certainly not at that elite level where I can knock out 200 or more. I don't recall ever managing to push past the 200-page mark. Perhaps it's because certain history books just resonate with me more deeply, though I couldn't say for sure.

Look, I’ve got all kinds of stuff I follow—everything from rental properties to keto diets... I need Facebook, but you can filter out the nonsense just by picking who you follow and who you don't. Still, I agree with you—90% of it is just pure mindless scrolling. 🙂

Steven Clark2 said:Well, if I may offer some advice, you should really switch over to PDF, EPUB, DJVU, or MOBI formats; they take up much less space in an apartment. 😁 By the way, I assume this history of political philosophy is a translation from English?

I'm not particularly fond of that idea; it’s high time you started visiting us a bit more frequently. 😛 Facebook isn't really meant for serious people like us. 😁

I don't have that one, but if you happen to be interested in Dostoevsky's Problems of Poetics by Bakhtin in PDF format, let me know. 😉

To be quite honest, I haven't read much of those Russian classics myself. My wife, on the other hand, claims she has read absolutely everything. I have always been preoccupied with other matters. 😁

Still, he is Manstein. 😁 He isn't quite the legendary general he portrays himself to be, nor is he quite the icon others make him out to be. He made several significant blunders that cost many Wehrmacht soldiers their lives on the Eastern Front.

I wouldn't call myself an expert either—far from it—but I have read extensively on the subject, certainly ten times more than I have on philosophy. Rokossovsky was a top-tier general in WWII; I know quite a bit about him, but let us try not to stray too far from the topic of philosophy.

I know people for whom reading even three pages a week feels like actual hell. 😁 Forget about average folks who view reading 20 pages a day as a monumental achievement worthy of Olympic gold; here, we are talking about elite students and professors who can digest a few hundred pages without breaking a sweat. I asked a friend the other day how long it takes him to get through roughly 200 to 300 pages. Here is what he said:replied. He clarified exactly what he meant. Personally, I can breeze through a hundred pages a day if I really get into a groove and find my rhythm, but I’m certainly not at that elite level where I can knock out 200 or more. I don't recall ever managing to push past the 200-page mark. Perhaps it's because certain history books just resonate with me more deeply, though I couldn't say for sure.


Sure, why not? 🙂 I'll shoot you a private message.

Steven Clark2 said:Well, if I may offer some advice, you should really switch over to PDF, EPUB, DJVU, or MOBI formats; they take up much less space in an apartment. 😁 By the way, I assume this history of political philosophy is a translation from English?

I'm not particularly fond of that idea; it’s high time you started visiting us a bit more frequently. 😛 Facebook isn't really meant for serious people like us. 😁

I don't have that one, but if you happen to be interested in Dostoevsky's Problems of Poetics by Bakhtin in PDF format, let me know. 😉

To be quite honest, I haven't read much of those Russian classics myself. My wife, on the other hand, claims she has read absolutely everything. I have always been preoccupied with other matters. 😁

Still, he is Manstein. 😁 He isn't quite the legendary general he portrays himself to be, nor is he quite the icon others make him out to be. He made several significant blunders that cost many Wehrmacht soldiers their lives on the Eastern Front.

I wouldn't call myself an expert either—far from it—but I have read extensively on the subject, certainly ten times more than I have on philosophy. Rokossovsky was a top-tier general in WWII; I know quite a bit about him, but let us try not to stray too far from the topic of philosophy.

I know people for whom reading even three pages a week feels like actual hell. 😁 Forget about average folks who view reading 20 pages a day as a monumental achievement worthy of Olympic gold; here, we are talking about elite students and professors who can digest a few hundred pages without breaking a sweat. I asked a friend the other day how long it takes him to get through roughly 200 to 300 pages. Here is what he said:replied. He clarified exactly what he meant. Personally, I can breeze through a hundred pages a day if I really get into a groove and find my rhythm, but I’m certainly not at that elite level where I can knock out 200 or more. I don't recall ever managing to push past the 200-page mark. Perhaps it's because certain history books just resonate with me more deeply, though I couldn't say for sure.

And I was thinking speed reading techniques were becoming the trend...
The other night I needed a chapter from a Berdyayev book I'd read before—I knew exactly what I was looking for. The chapter was about 40 pages or so, and I flew through it in 50 minutes while still managing to scribble down a few notes 😁.
That technique comes with practice.

p.s. Basically, Rokossovsky 👍😁
Look, I'm not saying Zhukov wasn't a solid general—he was—but like you said, he treated soldiers' lives like they were cheap. Manstein is basically Montgomery—totally flawless when the odds are already stacked in his favor. Those guys wouldn't have stood a chance at Midway if they were Navy. They wouldn't have even dared to set sail in those conditions. Neither would Halsey; he was more of a gunslinger type. To actually pull off a win like Midway, you needed someone like Spruance—a cold-blooded gambler. (That's a metaphor, anyway—human psychology when the stakes are sky-high.) And honestly, what else is there? To really grasp how easily life is tossed aside—which just shows the total disregard for human dignity among both Russians and Germans—you need a bit of philosophy under your belt. You practically need Dostoevsky. But if you’re studying the phenomenon of human dignity during wartime, the first World War is actually a better case study than the second. That was a war where human value—man as *imago dei*—was basically zero. That's why it was so terrifyingly brutal.
James Lee77 James Lee77 Active Member
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joined Jan 2012
#38 ·
"I took a speed reading course and managed to breeze through 'War and Peace' in just twenty minutes. It's about Russia." (Woody Allen)

I've been grinding through phenomenology of the Dostoevsky spirit for maybe four or five years now, and honestly? I still haven't even made it past chapter three of the first part. 🤣
Gerald Jackson48 Gerald Jackson48 Active Member
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joined Jun 2018
#39 ·
James Lee77 said:"I took a speed reading course and managed to breeze through 'War and Peace' in just twenty minutes. It's about Russia." (Woody Allen)

I've been grinding through phenomenology of the Dostoevsky spirit for maybe four or five years now, and honestly? I still haven't even made it past chapter three of the first part. 🤣

I was actually debating whether or not to include that Woody Allen quote, but then my impulses got the better of me. It’s perfect. 😁
James Lee77 James Lee77 Active Member
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joined Jan 2012
#40 ·
Gerald Jackson48 said:I was actually debating whether or not to include that Woody Allen quote, but then my impulses got the better of me. It’s perfect. 😁

You actually powered through it? I didn't even try. You're definitely tougher than me. 👍

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