Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

hollowbison80 said:Just as a precaution, I’d like to suggest that the Government implement a new measure: a stay-at-home order restricted specifically to one's own street. Wouldn't that significantly aid our efforts in the fight against the coronavirus?

Personally, I’d take it a step further. Let's just ban leaving your house entirely.
If you dare to crack a window, that's a fine of 15 $0.00- 30 $0.00—depending on how big the window is.
Opening a door? That’ll cost you 50 $0.00.

urbanhawk17 said:Also, I think if they aren't going to scrap public transit in Washington, D.C. altogether, they might as well just cut every single route except for one.

Just let one bus run to pick people up.

Well, they basically did exactly that! They cut the trams that were mostly empty anyway, scrapped the regular buses, and brought in these special shuttle buses that are absolutely packed every single day:

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And they think those "A-grade" measures of theirs are actually protecting us.

Jacob Patel2 said:Can someone clarify what’s happening with transit and individual travel across the border? It mentions cross-border workers and passengers in transit—what does that actually imply? If I have to head to Canada for a single day on business, will they let me through?

Larry Walker24 said:Nah, the only ones getting across the border are drivers hauling freight.

Even if you somehow manage to pull it off, you'll end up stuck in a 14-day quarantine in Canada, and then you've got another 14 days of quarantine waiting for you back here in America.

But that isn't accurate. The directive regarding drivers carrying goods refers specifically to the Civil Defense decision on freight transit—not the movement of individuals. There is a separate order for that.

What’s the deal with those "cross-border workers" and "transit passengers" mentioned in the text?

So, if I tell the border guards at the entrance to Canada that I have to drive to Milwaukee to hand-deliver some documents—since I can't just email them—and then plan to head straight back to Washington, D.C. the same day... am I really going to be stuck in Milwaukee for 14 days?

What if I have to go pick up an American citizen landing in Canada? Will the authorities there actually let us back in just so we can sit in isolation for 14 days here at home?

Does anyone have any other info? Maybe someone who traveled to Canada recently or knows someone who did?

electricbadger89 said:Exactly.

It’s an incredibly unfair move.

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I honestly believe there are more people in my exact shoes right now—trying to get a permit and then just sitting around waiting (to be specific, I’ve been waiting since yesterday morning; they promised it would be sorted out sometime yesterday, but still nothing) just so we can grab some groceries and head to the doctor. My doctor is in a different city from where I actually live. Between the bank and the grocery store, it's all a massive headache.

crimsonhawk23 said:I’m just sitting here listening to the News (CNN) and some guy from the Government says "people need to get used to these measures because they won't be around for just a few weeks—they'll be here for much, much longer".

😲

And I was like, "told ya!" I said this stuff would last way longer—at least 6 months. Honestly, maybe even years.

Look at Hong Kong. They had everything totally under control, case numbers were dropping. Then they loosened up the isolation rules, and boom—in just one week, the number of new cases doubled.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/23/a...hnk/index.html

Hong Kong appeared to have the coronavirus under control, then it let its guard down
CNN Digital expansion 2017. James Griffiths
Analysis by James Griffiths, CNN

Updated 0837 GMT (1637 Hong Kong Time) March 23, 2020
..........
Now, however, Hong Kong is providing a very different object lesson -- what happens when you let your guard down too soon. The number of confirmed cases has almost doubled in the past week, with many imported from overseas, as Hong Kong residents who had left -- either to work or study abroad, or to seek safety when the city seemed destined for a major outbreak earlier this year -- return, bringing the virus back with them.

Joseph Taylor11 said:Personally, I’d take it a step further. Let's just ban leaving your house entirely.
If you dare to crack a window, that's a fine of 15 $0.00- 30 $0.00—depending on how big the window is.
Opening a door? That’ll cost you 50 $0.00.

And why not just introduce a mandatory new tax—a quarantine levy—based on square footage to cover all the quarantine costs?

Jack Cook7 said:And I was like, "told ya!" I said this stuff would last way longer—at least 6 months. Honestly, maybe even years.

Look at Hong Kong. They had everything totally under control, case numbers were dropping. Then they loosened up the isolation rules, and boom—in just one week, the number of new cases doubled.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/23/a...hnk/index.html

Hong Kong appeared to have the coronavirus under control, then it let its guard down
CNN Digital expansion 2017. James Griffiths
Analysis by James Griffiths, CNN

Updated 0837 GMT (1637 Hong Kong Time) March 23, 2020
..........
Now, however, Hong Kong is providing a very different object lesson -- what happens when you let your guard down too soon. The number of confirmed cases has almost doubled in the past week, with many imported from overseas, as Hong Kong residents who had left -- either to work or study abroad, or to seek safety when the city seemed destined for a major outbreak earlier this year -- return, bringing the virus back with them.

Of course it will last—it's just the way he tossed that sentence out without any hesitation that feels a bit eerie. It seems like they had this planned from the jump, so this whole "30 days" thing might just be a complete distraction.

Joseph Taylor11 said:And then it didn't occur to anyone to just apply that rule to Washington, D.C. specifically.🤔
Or even just the major cities?🤔
Just tell them they can't leave the city limits.

Inside the city, people can move around just fine. They have everything they need right there. They can hit the grocery store, they can get whatever else they need within the city bounds—which is only a few dozen square miles...

Meanwhile, those of us in rural areas are stuck with one specific store 3.7 miles near our address—and we aren't allowed to go to the closer one just because it happens to be in a different Municipality.

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

It’s honestly such a mess in the smaller towns, for sure. I know some municipalities over in El Paso-Srijem County where it's basically just a handful of tiny villages that don't even have a local pharmacy or anything—you've gotta drive all the way to the next town just to get basic meds. It's rough. 12 milesSo, if you're out in El Paso or Vinkovci... I mean, seriously, even just trying to hit up the local pharmacy now requires some kind of permit. Crazy, right?

I saw that those municipalities have organized things so that volunteers or even Central Command staff are just doing it for people. I guess it’s way easier for them to just hand out one pass instead of dealing with like, an xy permit or whatever...

Frank Flores63 said:I honestly believe there are more people in my exact shoes right now—trying to get a permit and then just sitting around waiting (to be specific, I’ve been waiting since yesterday morning; they promised it would be sorted out sometime yesterday, but still nothing) just so we can grab some groceries and head to the doctor. My doctor is in a different city from where I actually live. Between the bank and the grocery store, it's all a massive headache.

Same here. At least we were allowed to hit Walmart before heading to Suburban City without a permit, but for Suburban City, we definitely need one.
I'm lucky enough to have most essentials right here in my Municipality, but it still ticks me off knowing how many people are in a much, much worse spot than I am.
My doctor is in Washington, D.C., too, though I handle most things over the phone anyway.

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Bryan Jones82 said:Well, they basically did exactly that! They cut the trams that were mostly empty anyway, scrapped the regular buses, and brought in these special shuttle buses that are absolutely packed every single day:

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Good Lord... when the government and the city are this incompetent at actually protecting people...

Bryan Jones82 said:Well, they basically did exactly that! They cut the trams that were mostly empty anyway, scrapped the regular buses, and brought in these special shuttle buses that are absolutely packed every single day:

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Idiots!!!
Nothing else to say here.

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Hey everyone. Here’s my take on how this is going.

So, last week I headed over to my mom's place. She lives in a different county—El Paso-Srijem County—so I actually made the trip before the whole Stay-at-home order officially kicked in.

On Monday, I shot an email over to the City Civil Defense Headquarters in my home base (Indianapolis) to explain my situation. I was basically asking what I should do and if there was any way to get a pass that lasts longer than just a day. They got back to me within a few hours, saying they thought I should probably register a temporary residence with the El Paso Police Department since that's where I am now. Apparently, that would help avoid any headaches. They also mentioned that passes for vital family reasons are meant for daily trips, not for moving out indefinitely (even though, I mean, I'm not moving forever, but whatever...).

The next day, I gave the Osijek Police a call. They told me they didn't see any issue with me being away from my permanent address right now, as long as I follow the Headquarters' guidelines about avoiding social contact and all that stuff. They suggested I call 112 for more specific instructions.

I called 112, and the guy on the line confirmed it wasn't a big deal if I'm caught away from my registered address, provided I'm at my mom's and following the Civil Defense orders. 😁 He even asked if I was under any specific self-isolation mandate, and since I wasn't, he repeated that it shouldn't be a problem. He said the whole measure was mostly because of the massive wave of Chicago residents heading down toward the coast and the islands. Also, he mentioned I don't need a special pass to head back to my own place if I decide to leave early. The only thing that might be slightly sketchy is driving my own car since it has plates from a different county, making me kind of "noticeable," but I guess I'll figure that out some other way 😁 and as far as the county I'm in right now (El Paso-Srijem County), from what I gathered, you might need a pass to travel between the city and the smaller municipalities.

Oh, and he did mention that if I really want to clear my conscience, I could give the El Paso City Civil Defense Headquarters a quick ring just so they have an idea of how many people are currently in town without living here, just in case there's a major health emergency. He gave me a number, and honestly, the guy was super nice—same goes for the lady at the Osijek Police. I haven't called the El Paso Civil Defense yet, but I'll probably do it tomorrow.

Neither of them mentioned anything about needing to formally register my stay, and judging by what I'm reading from others on this thread, it doesn't even seem possible right now anyway.

It won't be the virus that kills us—it'll be their response to it.

Jack Cook7 said:And I was like, "told ya!" I said this stuff would last way longer—at least 6 months. Honestly, maybe even years.

Look at Hong Kong. They had everything totally under control, case numbers were dropping. Then they loosened up the isolation rules, and boom—in just one week, the number of new cases doubled.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/23/a...hnk/index.html

Hong Kong appeared to have the coronavirus under control, then it let its guard down
CNN Digital expansion 2017. James Griffiths
Analysis by James Griffiths, CNN

Updated 0837 GMT (1637 Hong Kong Time) March 23, 2020
..........
Now, however, Hong Kong is providing a very different object lesson -- what happens when you let your guard down too soon. The number of confirmed cases has almost doubled in the past week, with many imported from overseas, as Hong Kong residents who had left -- either to work or study abroad, or to seek safety when the city seemed destined for a major outbreak earlier this year -- return, bringing the virus back with them.

Isn't it just more clumsy to let this damn virus take whatever it wants and be done with it?

I don't see how anything survives if we keep going like this for more than 6 months, or years... 🤷

A fine $10 somewhere I read?

It’s a bit low, at least $43

Joseph Taylor11 said:It won't be the virus that kills us—it'll be their response to it.

They’ve really started talking nonsense over the last couple of days. I just saw a viewer comment on CNN: "The Civil Defense Headquarters is absolutely top-tier." 🙄
As if.
You can really feel the psychosis starting to ramp up.

James Chavez91 said:Isn't it just more clumsy to let this damn virus take whatever it wants and be done with it?

I don't see how anything survives if we keep going like this for more than 6 months, or years... 🤷

That’s precisely what’s happening—letting it just wreck the economy instead. 😵

btw, they might as well station snipers on Murter island too.

these guys are a bit sharp.

I'll just keep clearing things out, and if I run into something even bigger...

urbanhawk17 said:btw, they might as well station snipers on Murter island too.

these guys are a bit sharp.

Wrap razor wire around every single house and see how that goes.

Implementing measures this way is dangerous. Someone out there could react in the heat of the moment, leading to injuries or something even worse.