Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

nimblelynx7 said:You can't do it like that.

And what happens to the chief, the secretary, the various department heads, and their official vehicles?

It doesn't work that way; the Municipality lives forever (and dies last).

Now, you can clearly see how redundant all those municipal bureaucrats actually are. It isn't just that there are way too many of them, but they are incredibly inefficient, too.

Go over to the Geoportal, then use the little wheel to zoom in until you see "scale 1:100,000" down in the bottom left corner. Once you've got that, just click that red icon with the white layers up in the top left and toggle everything off except for the "Register of Spatial Units - Cities and Municipalities" section... Enjoy! 😍 🤦

Larry Walker24 said:then honestly, they should just shut down his whole town.

I'm with you on that.
Same goes for plenty of others.
Doesn't really change the mess he's actually in right now, though.

darktinker4 said:Maybe it would make sense in a perfect world, but here, every little village has its own Municipality regardless of how many people actually live there. Now, I can't even step an inch outside my yard without breaking rules, and my uncle is stuck wondering how he's supposed to get into the city for his pension appointments.🕺
Am I allowed to drive into town for groceries? That local Walmart is basically built out of Lego bricks—they barely have enough bread to go around, and when they do, the prices are 70% higher. It’s just ridiculous.🤦

Not without a pass.
Since yesterday, I’ve been going back and forth with everyone: all the local Civil Defense Headquarters in my County—and now I've reached out to the news outlets too.
The media will probably pick up on my specific situation... though whether that actually helps anyone else at this point, I honestly don't know.

I’d suggest anyone living in those weirdly isolated Municipalities who isn't allowed to leave to speak up. Maybe hit up the news, too.

Does it seem right to you that people living in big cities (like Washington, D.C., Rijeka, Indianapolis, or San Jose) can move around freely (even if social contact is still a bit risky)... while someone from a small rural area isn't allowed to go to the next town over just to grab some food or gas?
Especially when that neighboring town is actually halfway closer than their own "center"?

Which political parties were actually pushing for reducing the number of Municipalities in the first place?

Frank Flores63 said:That’s exactly what I told this forum member, and honestly, regarding our seniors... what else can I say? It's a total mess.
As I mentioned here yesterday—I'm still sitting around waiting for a response from Town Hall. It's been two days, I still don't have my permit, and the people at the municipality aren't even returning calls.
The whole system is completely broken, plain and simple.

Reach out to your local news outlets too!

And don't you dare forget to give those same people at Town Hall your answer when the next election rolls around.😉

stormybadger8 said:Spot on...
My brother-in-law works for the Police Department, and he loves repeating this mantra like he’s some big shot just because he pays a ton of taxes. 🤦

Look, the joke is that he sees this "transferring nothing into emptiness" happening right on his own paycheck. It says there, right there in black and white—tax is this much, blah blah blah...
It's pretty obvious he isn't thinking much further than that, and honestly, it's not like he’d even bother stressing over it if he did.

On the other hand, us private citizens paying out of our own pockets? We actually give this some thought.
And we just take a massive pile of stuff the public sector handles for granted, acting like it all just magically fell from the sky.

We aren't all that different.
The biggest issue is that politics has successfully pitted us against each other. Now we just spend all our time bickering with one another instead of actually going after the people who are truly responsible.
So, here's the deal: the public sector blames the private sector, the private sector blames the public sector, and everyone's just pointing fingers at veterans and retirees. It’s always the same old story—veterans and seniors getting squeezed by both sides because one side isn't paying enough, the other isn't doing enough, blah blah blah. Same nonsense, different day.
And everyone just stays quiet about these moronic decisions that are collectively screwing with our heads. 🤦

So, here’s the deal for today: how on earth is Čazmatrans going to manage driving police officers, medical staff, and whatever else back and forth between Kutin and D.C.? From one end of town to the other... good luck with that.
Oh, great. Just brilliant. They crammed a whole crowd of people into some ancient, pathetic bus just to get them moving. Typical. 37 miles And I'm coughing one after another...
And then they go and mess with people commuting by bike, on foot, or driving themselves to work between two or three moronic municipalities that are barely a mile apart. 🤦

It's the same deal
with the budget funds set aside for VAT on those donated MRAPs and Kiowes from the US Government
😵🙂🙂 and honestly, it’s a nightmare trying to move that money from the Ministry of Finance over to the Department of Defense, only for them to wire it right back to the Ministry of Finance's account under the guise of VAT. The banks are the only ones winning, pocketing their fees along the way.

Joseph Taylor11 said:Reach out to your local news outlets too!

And don't you dare forget to give those same people at Town Hall your answer when the next election rolls around.😉

I mean, look, it all just comes down to whether you're dealing with some local bureaucrat looking for a handout. A couple of days ago, I sent over the completed form and even called to double-check that they actually received it. She promised she’d get it sorted within the day since I needed it by the day before yesterday.
Then yesterday, I’m sending emails and calling, and absolutely nothing—not a single response.
Today I call again, and she goes: "Oh gosh, didn't we already send that to you?" Me: "No, you didn't."
Her: "Oh, right, right, I'll do it now, I honestly thought I had already sent it."
So, it's the human factor all over again. Just typical.
By the way, the Police Department barely even glances at your pass before letting the locals through.

Joseph Taylor11 said:Not without a pass.
Since yesterday, I’ve been going back and forth with everyone: all the local Civil Defense Headquarters in my County—and now I've reached out to the news outlets too.
The media will probably pick up on my specific situation... though whether that actually helps anyone else at this point, I honestly don't know.

I’d suggest anyone living in those weirdly isolated Municipalities who isn't allowed to leave to speak up. Maybe hit up the news, too.

Does it seem right to you that people living in big cities (like Washington, D.C., Rijeka, Indianapolis, or San Jose) can move around freely (even if social contact is still a bit risky)... while someone from a small rural area isn't allowed to go to the next town over just to grab some food or gas?
Especially when that neighboring town is actually halfway closer than their own "center"?

Which political parties were actually pushing for reducing the number of Municipalities in the first place?

It seems to me like the Most party was the only one actually attempting to downsize the municipalities, but they didn't get anywhere because local municipalities act as these massive vote-generating machines. I mean, what would IDS be without its loyal supporters scattered through the towns here in Istria?

Frank Flores63 said:I mean, look, it all just comes down to whether you're dealing with some local bureaucrat looking for a handout. A couple of days ago, I sent over the completed form and even called to double-check that they actually received it. She promised she’d get it sorted within the day since I needed it by the day before yesterday.
Then yesterday, I’m sending emails and calling, and absolutely nothing—not a single response.
Today I call again, and she goes: "Oh gosh, didn't we already send that to you?" Me: "No, you didn't."
Her: "Oh, right, right, I'll do it now, I honestly thought I had already sent it."
So, it's the human factor all over again. Just typical.
By the way, the Police Department barely even glances at your pass before letting the locals through.

Could you clarify that? What exactly do you mean by "locals"?

Because I still can't manage to get a pass for the neighboring city.
I did receive a notice saying our local Police Department is allowing residents of our Municipality to travel to that city as far as the gas station, which happens to be right at the entrance.
So, I guess that means I'm stuck once I pass that point... 🙄

Absolute chaos near the Podsused tunnel heading toward Washington, D.C.
People are losing their minds because they totally botched the whole situation with those permits being available to just anyone. It’s a complete mess.
Honestly, I’m expecting a full stay-at-home order to kick in for everyone starting Monday, and then everyone is going to be feeling the squeeze.

darkotter35 said:Absolute chaos near the Podsused tunnel heading toward Washington, D.C.
People are losing their minds because they totally botched the whole situation with those permits being available to just anyone. It’s a complete mess.
Honestly, I’m expecting a full stay-at-home order to kick in for everyone starting Monday, and then everyone is going to be feeling the squeeze.

Come on, let's place our bets—when does the total lockdown actually start?

Brandon Newman95 said:Come on, let's place our bets—when does the total lockdown actually start?

I'm putting $3.25 out on Sunday, to take effect starting Monday.

silentpanther10 said:Hey everyone. Here’s my take on how this is going.

So, last week I headed over to my mom's place. She lives in a different county—El Paso-Srijem County—so I actually made the trip before the whole Stay-at-home order officially kicked in.

On Monday, I shot an email over to the City Civil Defense Headquarters in my home base (Indianapolis) to explain my situation. I was basically asking what I should do and if there was any way to get a pass that lasts longer than just a day. They got back to me within a few hours, saying they thought I should probably register a temporary residence with the El Paso Police Department since that's where I am now. Apparently, that would help avoid any headaches. They also mentioned that passes for vital family reasons are meant for daily trips, not for moving out indefinitely (even though, I mean, I'm not moving forever, but whatever...).

The next day, I gave the Osijek Police a call. They told me they didn't see any issue with me being away from my permanent address right now, as long as I follow the Headquarters' guidelines about avoiding social contact and all that stuff. They suggested I call 112 for more specific instructions.

I called 112, and the guy on the line confirmed it wasn't a big deal if I'm caught away from my registered address, provided I'm at my mom's and following the Civil Defense orders. 😁 He even asked if I was under any specific self-isolation mandate, and since I wasn't, he repeated that it shouldn't be a problem. He said the whole measure was mostly because of the massive wave of Chicago residents heading down toward the coast and the islands. Also, he mentioned I don't need a special pass to head back to my own place if I decide to leave early. The only thing that might be slightly sketchy is driving my own car since it has plates from a different county, making me kind of "noticeable," but I guess I'll figure that out some other way 😁 and as far as the county I'm in right now (El Paso-Srijem County), from what I gathered, you might need a pass to travel between the city and the smaller municipalities.

Oh, and he did mention that if I really want to clear my conscience, I could give the El Paso City Civil Defense Headquarters a quick ring just so they have an idea of how many people are currently in town without living here, just in case there's a major health emergency. He gave me a number, and honestly, the guy was super nice—same goes for the lady at the Osijek Police. I haven't called the El Paso Civil Defense yet, but I'll probably do it tomorrow.

Neither of them mentioned anything about needing to formally register my stay, and judging by what I'm reading from others on this thread, it doesn't even seem possible right now anyway.

Either he doesn't quite get why these rules were put in place, or the way they're actually being enforced is the complete opposite of what was intended.

Yesterday I headed out of Washington, D.C. (properly, with my pass) via the Jankomir Bridge, drove into Suburban City, passed through, and came back out... Nobody asked me for a single thing, and I didn't see any police presence heading that way at all. I did spot a police checkpoint on that same bridge when I was coming the other direction, but even then, they weren't checking anyone moving away from the city.

On the drive back a few hours later, it was the exact same story. I saw the cops just sitting there on the bridge, but they didn't pull me over; they just had a few other cars lined up waiting for inspection.

Based on what I've been reading in the news, and since a few other folks on this forum have said the same thing, there aren't really any checkpoints on most routes (maybe even all of them) when you're leaving Washington, D.C.—it’s only happening on the way in. And as for people heading back into the city? No pass required whatsoever.

So, as far as Washington, D.C. is concerned, the only thing they're actually doing is trying to stop non-residents from driving into town. 🤷

Regarding the idea of a total lockdown...
At the end of the day, people's health is what matters most. If we can save even just one single life by shutting down the entire country—stopping businesses, putting everyone under a stay-at-home order, basically freezing everything in its tracks—then we've actually succeeded.🤦

Brandon Newman95 said:Come on, let's place our bets—when does the total lockdown actually start?

I honestly think it all comes down to how many people actually get sick over the next few days.

Charles Carter4 said:Regarding the idea of a total lockdown...
At the end of the day, people's health is what matters most. If we can save even just one single life by shutting down the entire country—stopping businesses, putting everyone under a stay-at-home order, basically freezing everything in its tracks—then we've actually succeeded.🤦

Look, I value every single human life—but what you just wrote is honestly pretty reckless when you consider the massive fallout it would have on the other 3.8 million people living in this country (or however many of us there actually are...).

I was being a little sarcastic there—mostly because the way they present this makes it sound like a good thing, when in reality, they're just stripping away everyone's freedom.

Amy Gonzalez30 said:I honestly think it all comes down to how many people actually get sick over the next few days.

Look, I'm asking for a few different reasons here. Just to be clear, even though I'm younger, I unfortunately fall into a high-risk group, and the earthquake already caused me enough damage as it is. I have family living abroad too. In Norway—because they didn't follow the rules—they've been under quarantine for ages, and the fines are just insane. Same thing in Canada—someone I know traveled somewhere else, and now they can't go home; they have to stay put. Quarantine. And unfortunately, those numbers are just going to keep climbing...

electricorca112 said:Either he doesn't quite get why these rules were put in place, or the way they're actually being enforced is the complete opposite of what was intended.

Yesterday I headed out of Washington, D.C. (properly, with my pass) via the Jankomir Bridge, drove into Suburban City, passed through, and came back out... Nobody asked me for a single thing, and I didn't see any police presence heading that way at all. I did spot a police checkpoint on that same bridge when I was coming the other direction, but even then, they weren't checking anyone moving away from the city.

On the drive back a few hours later, it was the exact same story. I saw the cops just sitting there on the bridge, but they didn't pull me over; they just had a few other cars lined up waiting for inspection.

Based on what I've been reading in the news, and since a few other folks on this forum have said the same thing, there aren't really any checkpoints on most routes (maybe even all of them) when you're leaving Washington, D.C.—it’s only happening on the way in. And as for people heading back into the city? No pass required whatsoever.

So, as far as Washington, D.C. is concerned, the only thing they're actually doing is trying to stop non-residents from driving into town. 🤷

Yesterday, I was driving from San Jose toward Santa Clarita and got pulled over to have my permit checked in San Jose, then again just 1,500 meters later at the Santa Clarita border. I had to swing by the post office and a government building, and after five minutes, I was back at the entrance to San Jose for another check, and then hit a massive traffic jam 1,500 meters further down as I was leaving San Jose. My office sits right on the municipal border between San Jose and Santa Clarita; my neighbor lives just a building away in San Jose, yet he couldn't get through because these blockades aren't actually following official borders—they’re just being set up at whatever intersections are most convenient for them.

Charles Carter4 said:I was being a little sarcastic there—mostly because the way they present this makes it sound like a good thing, when in reality, they're just stripping away everyone's freedom.

Aha. Got it.😉
There you go. Apparently, I can't even catch sarcasm anymore. 🤦