Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Jose Scott3 said:Actually, you're proving the opposite. You can't get certain medical specializations in the private sector. Same goes for intellectual property, standardization, and metrology. Even most roles in energy, robotics, and materials science fall under that umbrella.

And don't even get me started on pure science. Before the 90s, industry actually had R&D, but now that’s all been gutted along with our tiny industrial base. Most science happens in the public sector now, unfortunately...

The people I'm talking about aren't just some bureaucrat wasting time at a Department of Mining. They're the ones pulling 12-hour shifts without asking for a dime of overtime. I'm one of them.

What would we do? Throw them out on the street or just Decrease their pay? It's still technically the public sector...

Man, the rhetoric and the spin is just classic Horvat. For me, this discussion is over...

Joseph Taylor11 said:Isn't it a bit harder to track a quarantine involving 3,800,000 people (I'm just throwing numbers out there, but I assume that's roughly our population in America) than it is to manage those who actually need to be in self-isolation because they're infected? 🤔

March 12th. The Government is still debating whether or not to shut down the schools.
March 19th. The Government is still thinking about whether teachers should bother coming into school every day (since online classes start March 16th, it's pretty obvious that's a waste of time...).

March 22nd. The Government issues a stay-at-home order regarding traveling "from city to city"—which, honestly, is so absurd in practice that it's barely even worth writing about.

If they had just made the call to close the borders immediately—something they spent ages overthinking—and banned international travel, while putting anyone arriving from abroad into strict quarantine for 14 days...
They could have implemented rigorous hygiene and epidemiological measures (whatever they want to call them), clearly regulated the supply chains for stores, kept production running, and limited ANY kind of public gathering...
🤔

But it's much easier to just wait and overthink things first...
Now we've hit a wall.

This virus is nothing compared to what's heading our way over the next five years.
People are going to suffer mentally; we'll see an increase in suicides and violent crimes, and people will die from stress-induced illnesses. We'll see a spike in heart disease, strokes, and malignant tumors.

In the end, more people might die from that than from this virus itself.

I’m going to screenshot this post... just in case someone needs a reminder in a year or two.

(One more prediction: next year we'll deal with the flu—with the corona-type virus being dominant. I hope vaccines are available, but I also know plenty of people won't get them... just like they aren't getting their flu shots today.)

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Look, I’m not the first to feel this way, and I won't be the last, but I am totally fed up. Honestly, I’ve started breaking stuff around the house because I’ve lost all sense of reality. I don't know what day it is, what time it is, or where I put anything. 🙂
I'll spend an entire day looking for the same object 55 different times because I've lost my mind—or rather, my mind is just gone.

Honestly, the best thing for everyone would be if I could just take a handful of Xanax or other benzos and stare peacefully at the ceiling. This is worse than any asylum. At least back then, they'd sedate you or knock you out with a shot when you started acting wild... 🐔

darktinker4 said:👋
Look, I’m not the first to feel this way, and I won't be the last, but I am totally fed up. Honestly, I’ve started breaking stuff around the house because I’ve lost all sense of reality. I don't know what day it is, what time it is, or where I put anything. 🙂
I'll spend an entire day looking for the same object 55 different times because I've lost my mind—or rather, my mind is just gone.

Honestly, the best thing for everyone would be if I could just take a handful of Xanax or other benzos and stare peacefully at the ceiling. This is worse than any asylum. At least back then, they'd sedate you or knock you out with a shot when you started acting wild... 🐔

Are you from Washington, D.C. or somewhere nearby?
Just take some Rivotril and put on a movie, then maybe we can actually hang out.. 😛

Casey Flores said:Man, the rhetoric and the spin is just classic Horvat. For me, this discussion is over...

Shame on you. Why don't you come try a shift at my job before you start calling everything "spin"...

The point was that there’s a whole bunch of roles in the public sector that just don't exist in the private sector—jobs where people actually work instead of just sitting around drinking coffee. So why wouldn't a young guy want to jump into those public sector roles ASAP if they're actually legitimate careers? But no, you'd rather just label them all lazy...

I have no idea who Horvat is.

Jose Scott3 said:Actually, you're proving the opposite. You can't get certain medical specializations in the private sector. Same goes for intellectual property, standardization, and metrology. Even most roles in energy, robotics, and materials science fall under that umbrella.

And don't even get me started on pure science. Before the 90s, industry actually had R&D, but now that’s all been gutted along with our tiny industrial base. Most science happens in the public sector now, unfortunately...

The people I'm talking about aren't just some bureaucrat wasting time at a Department of Mining. They're the ones pulling 12-hour shifts without asking for a dime of overtime. I'm one of them.

What would we do? Throw them out on the street or just Decrease their pay? It's still technically the public sector...

What's the point of doing science if it isn't serving industry?🤔

Kyle Lopez2 said:What's the point of doing science if it isn't serving industry?🤔

Obviously. You lay out a hypothesis, grind away in the lab, get your results, publish them, and file the patent. Then you hand it off to industry to actually turn it into something...

Oh, so suddenly it's "psychopathic" when the private sector wants to slash wages or start handing out pink slips just because we happen to be public sector employees... right. Funny how that works...

darktinker4 said:👋
Look, I’m not the first to feel this way, and I won't be the last, but I am totally fed up. Honestly, I’ve started breaking stuff around the house because I’ve lost all sense of reality. I don't know what day it is, what time it is, or where I put anything. 🙂
I'll spend an entire day looking for the same object 55 different times because I've lost my mind—or rather, my mind is just gone.

Honestly, the best thing for everyone would be if I could just take a handful of Xanax or other benzos and stare peacefully at the ceiling. This is worse than any asylum. At least back then, they'd sedate you or knock you out with a shot when you started acting wild... 🐔

I feel like I'm losing track of time too, like what day it is and all that...
I forget things constantly, but honestly, I've started watching relaxation videos, doing some light exercise, searching for random stuff online, and posting here... keeps the days moving faster, I guess...

darktinker4 said:Honestly, screw them. I’m telling them I’ll just pack up and go wherever I feel like.
They can try to fine me all they want, but if they do, fine—at least I'll be relaxing in jail just like those fancy politicians.
Sure, let's pretend I infected 50 people with some imaginary virus. If it's all a circus, might as well join the show.

I could sign off on this word for word.
I actually had a complete meltdown myself just a little while ago—the second I heard that guy on ABC using his most dramatic "breaking news" voice to claim a third person had died from COVID.
The person died because they were an oncology patient; any virus would have finished them off.

For God's sake—can people please realize that old and sick people pass away every single day!!

Then I turn on the TV and listen to this idiot on ABC—she's interviewing some guy (a nutritionist?) who's giving out dietary advice.

Like, where am I supposed to buy that stuff? In the two tiny shops I'm actually allowed to visit in this middle-of-nowhere town? They probably don't even carry fresh produce or meat! I don't know—I haven't been there in ages, I can't quite remember.
It's 3.7 miles away from those stores, and it's 6.2 miles away from a Lidl, Walmart, or KTC (where you can actually find something edible), but I'm not allowed to go there.

And yeah—there are people who made this kind of decision, and then there are people who, in my case, won't even give me a hall pass to get to a decent grocery store to buy food. And yet, just the other day, they were telling us not to stockpile supplies.

So now I'm going to go register on Facebook. There are politicians over there I can actually message—maybe someone will actually listen.
Because if they don't, I'm going to lose my mind, have a mental breakdown, and then I really won't be able to vouch for my own behavior.

Joseph Taylor11 said:It’s going to Decrease gradually... first they'll loosen up the rules about traveling to other cities, then they'll probably just restrict us to moving within our own county.

I'd say the whole thing will last about two weeks. Or, more likely, until Easter.

Calling that optimistic? Look, I certainly hope you're right, but if you ask me, once we see that first significant spike in infection numbers, they're going to tighten the screws even harder than they have already.

This is how a corporate pass ought to look if any of you actually need one;

PASS

for employee

Xxxx

Pursuant to Articles II and III of the Third decision on prohibition of leaving place of residence and permanent stay, which went into effect back on March 23, 2020.

Authorized person:

Xxxxx (SSN xxxx)

Enter personal email address here

Reason for authorization:

Business travel involving transit to and from locations outside the employee's primary residence.

The employee performs duties essential to the operations of xxxxx, which simply cannot be handled via remote work at their home office.

On behalf of xxxxx

Xxxxx

darktinker4 said:I applied for a pass for that exact same reason, and Caity told me I could just head to the bank instead.
The idiots replied saying I should just go to the nearest stores for groceries. Well, there's a Walmart right under my apartment and an NTLA, but what on earth am I supposed to buy there for actual meals? If I shop there, I'll be eating the exact same thing every single day for the next decade. It honestly makes me want to lose it.
Where am I supposed to find decent cat food and litter around here???
Or am I supposed to choose between two brands of pads that cost an arm and a leg $10??
Then Caity sends back a rejection, claiming there are plenty of ATMs in this village. There aren't "plenty" of anything—there is exactly ONE. And he has to physically go to the bank because his account is protected. Trying to explain common sense to these fools is useless.
I'm totally done with this. Honestly, I'll just pack my bags and go wherever the hell I want. As far as I'm concerned, the whole seven billion of them can just disappear. Useless worms...

Not sure how much this helps, but I posted some links over on the Delivery thread .

Check it out and see if anything works for you, and keep an eye on that thread because I'll post more whenever I find stuff.

Unfortunately, some places might not deliver to remote areas or certain spots.
As for the rest, honestly, I'm out of ideas...

Olivia Williams2 said:The foundation of a healthy economy can be built exclusively on micro-businesses, small companies, and local trades. Just ask Austria or Switzerland for a tutorial.

Alongside the evils of the state apparatus, we shouldn't allow the evils of massive corporations either—though, of course, those two things often go hand in hand.

Switzerland?
Are you actually sure about that?
https://fortune.com/global500/2019/s...ry=Switzerland

Look.

Global stats from 2019:
16th place: Glencore, revenue at $219 billion
76th place: Nestle, revenue at $93 billion
163rd place: Roch, revenue at $60.8 billion

To put that in perspective, the entire GDP of America is only about $54.8 billion.
Then there's this:
200th place: Novartis, revenue at $53 billion
And if you look through the top 500, there are still 10 more companies ahead of that—even the smallest one, Adecco, sits at 445th with $28 billion in revenue.

Even the Austrian ExxonMobil, sitting at 459th in the world back in 2019, was pulling in $27 billion. Not exactly "small business" territory.

This whole business with the permits is utterly absurd. I truly feel for those trapped in their laughable little towns and rural hamlets. Living in Washington, D.C., I feel almost ashamed of how privileged I am—there is a massive Walmart just around the corner, lines are non-existent, and I have easy access to my bank and everything else I need. I can zip from Brooklyn to Queens whenever the mood strikes. But what about some poor soul stuck in a place like St. Louis, or maybe a small town, USA near Newark? Now I see people actually writing pleas to some local official—some petty bureaucrat—just to get permission to visit a shopping mall or see a business partner in a neighboring county. It is pathetic, and I say this having traveled through these various local government units quite extensively.
If this Corona situation were to result in the abolition of half these completely redundant local municipalities, then perhaps all the hardship people are enduring would be justified. But even if we were hit by war, plague, cholera, fires, floods, or earthquakes, these 400 municipalities and 200 cities would somehow still persist.

Jose Scott3 said:Obviously. You lay out a hypothesis, grind away in the lab, get your results, publish them, and file the patent. Then you hand it off to industry to actually turn it into something...

Oh, so suddenly it's "psychopathic" when the private sector wants to slash wages or start handing out pink slips just because we happen to be public sector employees... right. Funny how that works...

But what happens when there isn't actually any production happening to turn those fancy little theories of yours into anything tangible—like what we're seeing right now—and yet the paychecks still need to clear? Is it suddenly not your fault that the actual, productive side of the economy has completely vanished into thin air?

I’ve been chewing on the logic behind these penalties lately, and frankly, it feels completely backwards. It makes zero sense that some idiot who ignores their quarantine orders just to wander around town gets hit with a mere $2667 fine—while someone actually following the rules, stuck in some tiny rural county where they can't even access basic services, ends up facing a $30 $0.00 penalty just because a local official decided their permit wasn't "essential" enough.

Sean Stewart said:I’ve been chewing on the logic behind these penalties lately, and frankly, it feels completely backwards. It makes zero sense that some idiot who ignores their quarantine orders just to wander around town gets hit with a mere $2667 fine—while someone actually following the rules, stuck in some tiny rural county where they can't even access basic services, ends up facing a $30 $0.00 penalty just because a local official decided their permit wasn't "essential" enough.

Where on earth are you getting the idea that it's a $10000 fine for leaving your place of residence?

This whole policy just highlighted how ridiculous it is to have a million tiny little municipalities. You’ve got people living in these small towns—basically just a cluster of houses with a church and a single convenience store—who can't even drive to the nearest actual hub. They need to get to the town center for a Target, a CVS, an ATM, or a clinic... places they actually rely on. But now? They can't move an inch without some local official demanding a permit. And those officials will just say "no" because their boss told them to watch the quotas. It's pure insanity...

They really should have permitted movement within the loop 31 miles spanning cities like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Diego, and Miami...

copperwolf16 said:This whole business with the permits is utterly absurd. I truly feel for those trapped in their laughable little towns and rural hamlets. Living in Washington, D.C., I feel almost ashamed of how privileged I am—there is a massive Walmart just around the corner, lines are non-existent, and I have easy access to my bank and everything else I need. I can zip from Brooklyn to Queens whenever the mood strikes. But what about some poor soul stuck in a place like St. Louis, or maybe a small town, USA near Newark? Now I see people actually writing pleas to some local official—some petty bureaucrat—just to get permission to visit a shopping mall or see a business partner in a neighboring county. It is pathetic, and I say this having traveled through these various local government units quite extensively.
If this Corona situation were to result in the abolition of half these completely redundant local municipalities, then perhaps all the hardship people are enduring would be justified. But even if we were hit by war, plague, cholera, fires, floods, or earthquakes, these 400 municipalities and 200 cities would somehow still persist.

Thanks for the support!

Exactly. Either you stay within your county, or even better, just stick to your immediate region. That’s what another user on this forum suggested, and honestly, I couldn't agree more.

It makes zero sense that you can drive from Dubuque to Central Park, yet you aren't allowed to travel from Naperville to the western outskirts of Washington, D.C.

Or even just traveling between neighboring small towns. We all see how people have to commute for work, or how they have to drive to the next town over just to find a pharmacy or a grocery store because their own village doesn't have one. It’s illogical. It’s not like viruses care about municipal borders or county lines
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There is absolutely no reason to restrict driving from Pittsburgh to Naperville or from Cleveland to Kearney when those two counties combined only have a handful of cases. This isn't like taking a massive trip between two major hubs, like flying from Washington, D.C. to Miami.

I believe these measures were implemented with good intentions, but as the old saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions😁
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So, we decide to limit movement to vacation spots—you know, the islands, the coastal cities in Florida where everyone goes to summer homes and rentals.
Fine. But if that's the plan, why not set up checkpoints in those specific areas? Put them on Manhattan or Martha's Vineyard where people keep their weekend houses, or along the main highways leading down to Florida, California, or the South. Set up controls there instead.

Instead of applying this rule selectively, it’s just foolish to generalize it across all of America. It's nonsensical. It’s just like how it's unfair to punish the entire nation because of a few "corona parties"—it shouldn't be everyone's problem. Looking out my window, the streets look as deserted as if an atomic bomb had just gone off.

How am I supposed to visit my sick parents for the Easter holidays now? Or drop off their medication? Or even check on my vacation home to see if there's any damage after the earthquake? 🤔 I have my own car, I wear my mask—even if it feels like it doesn't do much, you get my point. This restriction just doesn't make sense.