Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Look, if anyone actually thinks self-isolation and lockdowns are going to just "delete" the coronavirus, they’re dead wrong. Even if we somehow managed to drop new cases to zero tomorrow—assuming we were testing everyone like crazy—the virus isn't gone. It's still out there. As soon as people start heading back to work, hitting up coffee shops, or just living their lives again, the virus is going to jump right back onto anyone who hasn't already fought through it. This could drag on for months, maybe even years. I mean, seriously, who among us is actually ready to stay cooped up at home for, say, 6 months straight?

The only thing these restrictions really do is slow down the spread so the healthcare system doesn't completely collapse under the weight. As for when case numbers will hit a stable, "sustainable" level where we can ditch the heavy-handed rules? Honestly, nobody has a clue.

Sure, maybe they'll roll out some miracle cure in a month or two, but let's be real—that's a total pipe dream.

And don't even get me started on how the whole public (and private) financial system is about to go belly up. Healthcare is burning through massive amounts of cash right now, way beyond the usual budget. We’re already looking at a $9 billion deficit on a roughly $23 billion annual budget. This year alone, costs are going to blow past $30 billion. Where is that money coming from? Regular revenue won't cover it, and that's assuming tax income doesn't tank because everything is shut down.

If the Government had any sense, they'd slash the salaries of everyone in state and local government, plus all those working for public and local agencies, down to minimum wage immediately (except for doctors, the military, police, and firefighters). Then, after every month, just cut another 10% of the workforce.

Jonathan Smith12 said:And what about our gentleman farmer? Is he supposed to drive out to a neighbor's place in the rural area to pick up organic fertilizer, or buy seedlings from a local nursery, or maybe even drop off some supplies to his relatives...

Oh, don't make things more complicated than they need to be; honestly, just stay home for a couple of weeks, read your books, eat, drink, enjoy yourself... whenever these ridiculous thoughts start spinning in your head, just remember that there are people on the front lines right now, risking their lives through their selfless work.

... which is definitely not going to happen just by moving around WITHIN your own city....

☕

Henry Lopez10 said:What kind of restrictions are we talking about—not being allowed to step off your porch if you're stuck in isolation and suspected of having COVID?
How are you all behaving on the I-95, or when you're playing tag by driving from one city to another with three other people crammed in the car, or even just hanging out in pharmacies?
And what's the deal with how everyone is acting at gas stations and grocery stores? Why can't they just deliver groceries to us? Just enough to let the infection levels settle down a bit? It's only two weeks of isolation.
Clearly, people either can't or won't follow the rules; apparently, they should have implemented strict controls and checkpoints at the pharmacies because, God forbid, you have to stay inside for a measly two or three weeks. No, we absolutely have to wander around, grab coffee with the neighbors, visit our elderly relatives, and host backyard BBQs.
Does everyone here live completely alone? Give me a break.🙄

Goddammit. I am not infected. There have been three cases in my city—one recovered, so that leaves two. I have a contact at the hospital, so I know for a fact there are only two active cases in a city of 50,000. And because of this, I can't even get in my car and drive out to some village 6.2 miles further out to enjoy nature, go for a walk, or ride my bike. Why? Because of a couple of Infected Washington, D.C. residents who lost their minds over an earthquake and falling facades and decided to flee? To hell with the Government and all of you supporting this. Restricting the ENTIRE country just because of a few specialists in Washington, D.C.? Give me a break.

And it won't be two weeks; this nonsense is going to drag on for two months. Since last Monday, I haven't been around people because I respect the rules. I haven't hung out with friends because I respect the rules. And frankly, I'm losing my mind because I am not some antisocial cactus that can survive two weeks without human contact. Even if I could manage two weeks, it wouldn't stop at two. You'll see what happens when people snap due to these restrictions being rolled out en masse just for Washington, D.C. They're isolating the whole country because of them. Absolute bullshit.

I followed the measures as they were introduced, even though I thought they were excessive. Now, it has reached the point where I am physically sick with anxiety over whether I will catch the virus and die, versus the desperate need to just leave the house and be with other PEOPLE. Humans are SOCIAL beings, not moles.

Roger Gray27 said:I could use some advice here. I've been out of Washington, D.C. for a few days now, staying at a friend's place out in the country. We're just hanging out at the house—not going anywhere at all. My permanent residence is back in the city, but I took public transit out here to visit. I don't have a car, and there aren't any bus routes running. Honestly, I’d prefer to just stay out here until this whole thing blows over, but I'm worried about getting hit with a fine. Thanks, everyone...

Your best bet is to just call the FBI office in your home city. From what I've heard so far, you aren't actually required to stay at your registered address. You only need a pass if you're planning on heading out somewhere.

But man, this could drag on for months....

rustywalker42 said:I'm not in isolation, nor am I under suspicion. This past Saturday, I was driving home on I-95 from Washington, D.C., and over the next 168 miles I saw maybe 7 or 8 cars total.

I don't wander through stores; my tank is full.

I don't drink coffee, I don't smoke, and I don't touch alcohol. I don't go to bars or anything.

So tell me, why should I suffer because of a handful of morons from Washington, D.C. or Florida?

Besides, my county still hasn't seen any cases.

🙏🙏🙏

It's not a revolution, but you know a revolution eats its own children, right?

Decisions like these? They eat their own children too.

The thing is, there isn't "responsible citizen" tattooed on your forehead. Right now, you're just a number.

And even if it were, there’s no guarantee someone like that wouldn't spread the virus either.

Most people in America, and even in Europe, act like cowards who think the state is just

some kind of self-service shop where you can steal what you want, and if you don't, then

the clerk will steal from you.

The government exists to protect the people from situations and plagues like this,

not to serve as a convenience whenever some individual feels like being selfish.

Jonathan Smith12 said:Honestly, my grandmother is asking the exact same thing, wondering when we'll finally see the end of this.

You might as well just call up FEMA and ask them directly, because let's be real, they aren't exactly doing much anyway. 🍿

I sent an email to City Hall about the permits.
Do you really think they'll get back to me?
Trying to reach anyone at the County Command Center by phone is basically impossible.

I wasn't even asking when this whole thing ends; I was asking what the actual deadline is for this mandatory stay-at-home order.

Look... sorry, it’s not your fault, but my nerves are shot lately, and having to explain everything over and over again—not just here, but everywhere else too—is just wearing me down.☕

Rebecca Peterson94 said:That’s exactly what I asked, and I didn't get a single answer from anyone.
Apparently, it stays in effect as long as the authorities feel like it.
So now you're just stuck wondering if you'll be cooped up for one month, two, or three. Honestly, I think we're all gonna lose our minds from the stress before we even catch the virus.

It makes sense, really—we wait until the curve starts dropping. But right now? We've basically handed the virus a head start for exponential growth. If we hadn't been so reckless earlier, maybe we'd already be seeing things trend downward.
So, bottom line: the more we stay hunkered down at home and stop this spread in its tracks, the faster we get out of this whole—forgive my language—mess.

To my colleague over in the Midwest, I can only say this: just because they don't have cases on paper doesn't mean there aren't infections out there (as much as I wish that were true). And since the virus can hang around surfaces for—they're saying up to—11 days now, you don't even need to be near people anymore; you just have to be near where they've been.

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Joseph Taylor11 said:... which is definitely not going to happen just by moving around WITHIN your own city....

☕

But honestly, let it happen! If the virus isn't spreading because of it, then I suppose that’s the whole point, right? ☕☕☕☕

Anyway, I realize I'm drifting quite far off the main topic here, but I truly feel that anyone with even a shred of common sense has already grasped the situation, and frankly, those who haven't probably never will.

Roger Gray27 said:I could use some advice here. I've been out of Washington, D.C. for a few days now, staying at a friend's place out in the country. We're just hanging out at the house—not going anywhere at all. My permanent residence is back in the city, but I took public transit out here to visit. I don't have a car, and there aren't any bus routes running. Honestly, I’d prefer to just stay out here until this whole thing blows over, but I'm worried about getting hit with a fine. Thanks, everyone...

You should simply head over to the local office with your friend to register your temporary residence there. Once that is done, you can rest easy. Honestly, you are likely fine as it is since you aren't wandering around aimlessly, but if you truly want total peace of mind, just update your residency status. It is a process that takes mere minutes to complete.

Unbelievable.

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Jack Cook7 said:Look, if anyone actually thinks self-isolation and lockdowns are going to just "delete" the coronavirus, they’re dead wrong. Even if we somehow managed to drop new cases to zero tomorrow—assuming we were testing everyone like crazy—the virus isn't gone. It's still out there. As soon as people start heading back to work, hitting up coffee shops, or just living their lives again, the virus is going to jump right back onto anyone who hasn't already fought through it. This could drag on for months, maybe even years. I mean, seriously, who among us is actually ready to stay cooped up at home for, say, 6 months straight?

The only thing these restrictions really do is slow down the spread so the healthcare system doesn't completely collapse under the weight. As for when case numbers will hit a stable, "sustainable" level where we can ditch the heavy-handed rules? Honestly, nobody has a clue.

Sure, maybe they'll roll out some miracle cure in a month or two, but let's be real—that's a total pipe dream.

And don't even get me started on how the whole public (and private) financial system is about to go belly up. Healthcare is burning through massive amounts of cash right now, way beyond the usual budget. We’re already looking at a $9 billion deficit on a roughly $23 billion annual budget. This year alone, costs are going to blow past $30 billion. Where is that money coming from? Regular revenue won't cover it, and that's assuming tax income doesn't tank because everything is shut down.

If the Government had any sense, they'd slash the salaries of everyone in state and local government, plus all those working for public and local agencies, down to minimum wage immediately (except for doctors, the military, police, and firefighters). Then, after every month, just cut another 10% of the workforce.

No way. Not happening. At most, a month after cases hit zero.

Maybe you can explain how Ebola outbreaks—which is way more contagious, by the way—actually manage to get under control within 3 months?

Jack Cook7 said:Look, if anyone actually thinks self-isolation and lockdowns are going to just "delete" the coronavirus, they’re dead wrong. Even if we somehow managed to drop new cases to zero tomorrow—assuming we were testing everyone like crazy—the virus isn't gone. It's still out there. As soon as people start heading back to work, hitting up coffee shops, or just living their lives again, the virus is going to jump right back onto anyone who hasn't already fought through it. This could drag on for months, maybe even years. I mean, seriously, who among us is actually ready to stay cooped up at home for, say, 6 months straight?

The only thing these restrictions really do is slow down the spread so the healthcare system doesn't completely collapse under the weight. As for when case numbers will hit a stable, "sustainable" level where we can ditch the heavy-handed rules? Honestly, nobody has a clue.

Sure, maybe they'll roll out some miracle cure in a month or two, but let's be real—that's a total pipe dream.

And don't even get me started on how the whole public (and private) financial system is about to go belly up. Healthcare is burning through massive amounts of cash right now, way beyond the usual budget. We’re already looking at a $9 billion deficit on a roughly $23 billion annual budget. This year alone, costs are going to blow past $30 billion. Where is that money coming from? Regular revenue won't cover it, and that's assuming tax income doesn't tank because everything is shut down.

If the Government had any sense, they'd slash the salaries of everyone in state and local government, plus all those working for public and local agencies, down to minimum wage immediately (except for doctors, the military, police, and firefighters). Then, after every month, just cut another 10% of the workforce.

Short and sweet: get lost.

The budget situation isn't nearly as dramatic as you're making it out to be.

Just so you know, besides the medics, military, police, and firefighters, there are plenty of other people in public institutions showing up to work instead of staying home. You want to cut them down to minimum wage too?

From your first word to your last, this whole post sounds like "Small Business Revenge Part 2" or some cheerleader nonsense for the elite.

What they should really do is implement a single, flat salary for everyone in government and public service based on the average wage in the US. That way, politicians and those bureaucratic hacks would take a temporary pay cut, while the police, firefighters, nurses, and the rest would actually see a temporary raise.

Keith Cox6 said:It makes sense, really—we wait until the curve starts dropping. But right now? We've basically handed the virus a head start for exponential growth. If we hadn't been so reckless earlier, maybe we'd already be seeing things trend downward.
So, bottom line: the more we stay hunkered down at home and stop this spread in its tracks, the faster we get out of this whole—forgive my language—mess.

To my colleague over in the Midwest, I can only say this: just because they don't have cases on paper doesn't mean there aren't infections out there (as much as I wish that were true). And since the virus can hang around surfaces for—they're saying up to—11 days now, you don't even need to be near people anymore; you just have to be near where they've been.

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I hear you.
But what about someone like me who maintains a residence and an apartment in a different city? I live alone in that apartment, and I drive there by myself.
(And I'm not talking about going every single day—just once a week!!—say, to check if a pipe burst... or there's a gas leak... you get the idea)
Who and how am I EXACTLY putting anyone at risk?

Please spare me the whole "oh, you'll just pop in for milk and bread... or the pharmacy... or to see a neighbor..." routine.
No, I'm not stopping by a neighbor's house because I don't even know them (the people at my primary residence are the ones I actually socialize with)—and as for milk, bread, or the pharmacy, I'll head out when I actually need something, purely so I don't starve to death.

You can't JUST stop people from socializing simply by banning them from leaving their primary place of residence.

Period.

I hope that makes things a little clearer—and why I'm so annoyed by this decision.

Staying home isn't the issue for me. I'm home, I work from home; as far as I'm concerned, I could live for months without seeing another human being! I'd sign my name to that under oath.
But let me look after my own property (which nobody gave me for free, which I'm still paying a mortgage on, and which I can't just leave unattended for a month... or however long this lasts).

And yeah... NO, I don't have some neighbor I can just hand my keys to so they can check on everything. Even if I did, I wouldn't be crazy enough to give a neighbor my apartment keys indefinitely. Helloooooo!!!!!

crimsonranger3 said:Goddammit. I am not infected. There have been three cases in my city—one recovered, so that leaves two. I have a contact at the hospital, so I know for a fact there are only two active cases in a city of 50,000. And because of this, I can't even get in my car and drive out to some village 6.2 miles further out to enjoy nature, go for a walk, or ride my bike. Why? Because of a couple of Infected Washington, D.C. residents who lost their minds over an earthquake and falling facades and decided to flee? To hell with the Government and all of you supporting this. Restricting the ENTIRE country just because of a few specialists in Washington, D.C.? Give me a break.

And it won't be two weeks; this nonsense is going to drag on for two months. Since last Monday, I haven't been around people because I respect the rules. I haven't hung out with friends because I respect the rules. And frankly, I'm losing my mind because I am not some antisocial cactus that can survive two weeks without human contact. Even if I could manage two weeks, it wouldn't stop at two. You'll see what happens when people snap due to these restrictions being rolled out en masse just for Washington, D.C. They're isolating the whole country because of them. Absolute bullshit.

I followed the measures as they were introduced, even though I thought they were excessive. Now, it has reached the point where I am physically sick with anxiety over whether I will catch the virus and die, versus the desperate need to just leave the house and be with other PEOPLE. Humans are SOCIAL beings, not moles.

The virus will pass, but this behavior? This will never end.🙏🙏

This guy claims he has "inside info" and knows there are only two cases in a city of 50,000... well, you've certainly earned my deepest 🙏

Why don't you check the official stats and tell me how many people are actually infected in my town? 🙏

electricbadger89 said:Unbelievable.

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And for what reason might that be?

If this were directed toward me, I would certainly disagree.

crimsonranger3 said:Goddammit. I am not infected. There have been three cases in my city—one recovered, so that leaves two. I have a contact at the hospital, so I know for a fact there are only two active cases in a city of 50,000. And because of this, I can't even get in my car and drive out to some village 6.2 miles further out to enjoy nature, go for a walk, or ride my bike. Why? Because of a couple of Infected Washington, D.C. residents who lost their minds over an earthquake and falling facades and decided to flee? To hell with the Government and all of you supporting this. Restricting the ENTIRE country just because of a few specialists in Washington, D.C.? Give me a break.

And it won't be two weeks; this nonsense is going to drag on for two months. Since last Monday, I haven't been around people because I respect the rules. I haven't hung out with friends because I respect the rules. And frankly, I'm losing my mind because I am not some antisocial cactus that can survive two weeks without human contact. Even if I could manage two weeks, it wouldn't stop at two. You'll see what happens when people snap due to these restrictions being rolled out en masse just for Washington, D.C. They're isolating the whole country because of them. Absolute bullshit.

I followed the measures as they were introduced, even though I thought they were excessive. Now, it has reached the point where I am physically sick with anxiety over whether I will catch the virus and die, versus the desperate need to just leave the house and be with other PEOPLE. Humans are SOCIAL beings, not moles.

I hear you. I agree with you on a lot of points. I'm also furious at those doctors who headed off to ski resorts in a situation like THIS!!! Even if I try to defend them by saying that back then, neither Italy nor Austria—nor our own health services—were even considering travel bans to high-risk areas.
But hey, it is what it is. The only thing that might pull us out of this hole is tourism, not to mention how many people rely on that income.
It's not impossible to kickstart the season once this whole COVID mess passes, but everyone absolutely has to show some solidarity with these measures.
Also, I think the police made a massive blunder letting those people head toward the coast after the earthquake when everything in Washington, D.C. was already taken care of—from housing to food. But whatever, let's just be patient... and hopefully saved.

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Jonathan Smith12 said:The virus will pass, but this behavior? This will never end.🙏🙏

This guy claims he has "inside info" and knows there are only two cases in a city of 50,000... well, you've certainly earned my deepest 🙏

Why don't you check the official stats and tell me how many people are actually infected in my town? 🙏

Be serious. Thirteen days ago, we had three recorded cases; now we have two. If nobody has shown up with symptoms needing a test in two weeks—which would increase the count—then what is the justification for the road closures?
If you didn't catch my drift, I'm not saying we should scrap all precautions. I'm saying they need to be dynamic, tailored to the specific city or county where they are being applied.
Applying the exact same restrictions to a massive metropolis filled with stubborn, entitled people as you would to a small town of 50,000 where everyone follows the rules isn't common sense, nor is it effective crisis management.

The virus isn't going to vanish from the Country just because of a quarantine, yet our Government is sitting around waiting for that miracle. They're clueless, so they've decided to just block people off to create the illusion of zero cases. North Korea has a much more efficient system—one where they actually WORK to solve problems rather than just WAITING for the problem to disappear on its own.
And then there's this nonsense about handing out passes by hand. Whoever came up with that idea is a total caveman. Kudos to them.

Jacob Kern2 said:And for what reason might that be?

If this were directed toward me, I would certainly disagree.

Exactly.
I asked, I called the FBI, we even tried through some connections—nothing. No chance.

They only rush emergency documents; residency permits aren't on the priority list.

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crimsonranger3 said:Goddammit. I am not infected. There have been three cases in my city—one recovered, so that leaves two. I have a contact at the hospital, so I know for a fact there are only two active cases in a city of 50,000. And because of this, I can't even get in my car and drive out to some village 6.2 miles further out to enjoy nature, go for a walk, or ride my bike. Why? Because of a couple of Infected Washington, D.C. residents who lost their minds over an earthquake and falling facades and decided to flee? To hell with the Government and all of you supporting this. Restricting the ENTIRE country just because of a few specialists in Washington, D.C.? Give me a break.

And it won't be two weeks; this nonsense is going to drag on for two months. Since last Monday, I haven't been around people because I respect the rules. I haven't hung out with friends because I respect the rules. And frankly, I'm losing my mind because I am not some antisocial cactus that can survive two weeks without human contact. Even if I could manage two weeks, it wouldn't stop at two. You'll see what happens when people snap due to these restrictions being rolled out en masse just for Washington, D.C. They're isolating the whole country because of them. Absolute bullshit.

I followed the measures as they were introduced, even though I thought they were excessive. Now, it has reached the point where I am physically sick with anxiety over whether I will catch the virus and die, versus the desperate need to just leave the house and be with other PEOPLE. Humans are SOCIAL beings, not moles.

Where'd you get that from? You can totally get away with it if you're all in the same spot or nearby, and as long as there's fewer than five of you... provided nobody's stuck in quarantine...

crimsonranger3 said:Goddammit. I am not infected. There have been three cases in my city—one recovered, so that leaves two. I have a contact at the hospital, so I know for a fact there are only two active cases in a city of 50,000. And because of this, I can't even get in my car and drive out to some village 6.2 miles further out to enjoy nature, go for a walk, or ride my bike. Why? Because of a couple of Infected Washington, D.C. residents who lost their minds over an earthquake and falling facades and decided to flee? To hell with the Government and all of you supporting this. Restricting the ENTIRE country just because of a few specialists in Washington, D.C.? Give me a break.

And it won't be two weeks; this nonsense is going to drag on for two months. Since last Monday, I haven't been around people because I respect the rules. I haven't hung out with friends because I respect the rules. And frankly, I'm losing my mind because I am not some antisocial cactus that can survive two weeks without human contact. Even if I could manage two weeks, it wouldn't stop at two. You'll see what happens when people snap due to these restrictions being rolled out en masse just for Washington, D.C. They're isolating the whole country because of them. Absolute bullshit.

I followed the measures as they were introduced, even though I thought they were excessive. Now, it has reached the point where I am physically sick with anxiety over whether I will catch the virus and die, versus the desperate need to just leave the house and be with other PEOPLE. Humans are SOCIAL beings, not moles.

I hope you realize what a total load of crap you just spewed. That hospital connection is a joke... if things were actually serious, they'd know that "two confirmed cases" is basically nothing on paper. It means there are at least five times more people actually sick in that environment—maybe even ten times more if you count the ones showing zero symptoms. Unless your city is some medieval fortress that literally locked down every single gate the second the infection showed up... 🤦

Jack Cook7 said:Check out this post
If anyone actually thinks that self-isolation and lockdowns are going to just "delete" this coronavirus, they’ve got another thing coming. Seriously. Even if the number of new cases somehow hits zero tomorrow—which, let's be real, would require testing every single person on Earth—the virus isn't gone. It's still out there. The second people stop playing by the rules and head back to work, hit up their favorite coffee shops, or just start hanging out again, the virus is gonna rip right through anyone who hasn't already caught it. We could be looking at this cycle dragging on for months, maybe even years. So, honestly... who among us is actually ready to stay stuck inside for the next six months? Not me!

Jose Scott3 said:No way. Not happening. At most, a month after cases hit zero.

Maybe you can explain how Ebola outbreaks—which is way more contagious, by the way—actually manage to get under control within 3 months?

Short and sweet: get lost.

The budget situation isn't nearly as dramatic as you're making it out to be.

Just so you know, besides the medics, military, police, and firefighters, there are plenty of other people in public institutions showing up to work instead of staying home. You want to cut them down to minimum wage too?

From your first word to your last, this whole post sounds like "Small Business Revenge Part 2" or some cheerleader nonsense for the elite.

What they should really do is implement a single, flat salary for everyone in government and public service based on the average wage in the US. That way, politicians and those bureaucratic hacks would take a temporary pay cut, while the police, firefighters, nurses, and the rest would actually see a temporary raise.

Are you seriously guaranteeing me a full month on this? Because if that warranty turns out to be total BS, who’s actually footing the bill for the "repair"?

Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 said:Check out this post
If the Government actually had any sense, they’d take everyone in state and local administration—plus every single employee at those public utility companies—and slash their pay down to minimum wage immediately. I’m talking except for doctors, the military, the FBI, and firefighters. And then? Every month, just let go of another 10% of them. Boom. Done.

Quentin:

Jose Scott3 Short and sweet: beat it.

That’s just how we talk around here.

Quentin:

Look, everyone needs to chill—this whole budget situation isn't nearly as dramatic as people are making it out to be. Just so you know, besides the doctors, the military, the cops, and the firefighters, there are plenty of other folks working in public institutions who actually show up to an office every single day instead of working from home. You really think they should all get bumped up to minimum wage too? Man, your whole post sounds like "Revenge of the Private Sector, Part 2" or some weirdly specific cheerleader chant from Miroslav’s squad. Honestly, they should just get it over with already: set one flat salary for everyone working in government and public service based on the national average here in the States. Just level the playing field! That way, politicians and all those useless bureaucrats would actually take a temporary pay cut, while our police officers, firefighters, nurses, and the rest of the real heroes would see a temporary bump up. Simple, right?

I'll be sure to come back and bug you at the end of the year once we're stuck staring at a $130 billion budget with a massive $50 billion deficit.

What do you guys think happens when our workforce drops from the current 1.3 million—with maybe 800,000 in the private sector—down to something like 500,000 in private business? What on earth is the government going to do with all those extra employees sitting around in state agencies and massive corporations? Like, what services are they even going to provide that someone would actually pay for? And more importantly, how would anyone afford it? Is a smart Government just gonna start hiking up Credit? Or maybe they’ll just sell off everything they own?

Honestly, they should just slash their salaries now and then slowly freeze them out or lay them off. It’s way better than all of us going broke at once just because The Party is playing backward games to protect their voter base.

This is actually a perfect excuse to trim down those 550+ townships and 130+ cities into a much more sensible 100+ total, kind of like how they do it in Denmark. The same goes for state and local agencies—take Bandic's sanitation department, for instance. They ballooned from 1,000 employees to 2,000, yet trash is still piling up in the streets! Lately, they've even started pulling recycling bins and trash cans off the sidewalks just to "reduce the workload." I mean, no bins, no trash, everything looks clean, right? Pure genius. Meanwhile, they've got hundreds of municipal inspectors out there just making sure citizens are walking properly down the street.

The real crisis in this country isn't some virus or an earthquake; it's the incompetent government that's been handing out jobs to their buddies for thirty years straight. Out of those 800,000 people in the private sector, you don't even have 300,000 who actually operate independently from the government. A huge chunk of them rely on businesses that depend on government contracts, so if those contracts vanish, they go down too. The state basically controls 80% of the GDP. That is the real sickness in America.

That's why we need a total systemic collapse. We need it so we can finally kick all those cronies out to where they belong—all hundred thousand members of The Party and their entire extended families.

Joseph Taylor11 said:I hear you.
But what about someone like me who maintains a residence and an apartment in a different city? I live alone in that apartment, and I drive there by myself.
(And I'm not talking about going every single day—just once a week!!—say, to check if a pipe burst... or there's a gas leak... you get the idea)
Who and how am I EXACTLY putting anyone at risk?

Please spare me the whole "oh, you'll just pop in for milk and bread... or the pharmacy... or to see a neighbor..." routine.
No, I'm not stopping by a neighbor's house because I don't even know them (the people at my primary residence are the ones I actually socialize with)—and as for milk, bread, or the pharmacy, I'll head out when I actually need something, purely so I don't starve to death.

You can't JUST stop people from socializing simply by banning them from leaving their primary place of residence.

Period.

I hope that makes things a little clearer—and why I'm so annoyed by this decision.

Staying home isn't the issue for me. I'm home, I work from home; as far as I'm concerned, I could live for months without seeing another human being! I'd sign my name to that under oath.
But let me look after my own property (which nobody gave me for free, which I'm still paying a mortgage on, and which I can't just leave unattended for a month... or however long this lasts).

And yeah... NO, I don't have some neighbor I can just hand my keys to so they can check on everything. Even if I did, I wouldn't be crazy enough to give a neighbor my apartment keys indefinitely. Helloooooo!!!!!

Hey Joseph Taylor11, listen—I have a downtown apartment where an entire wall from the building next door basically collapsed onto it. I only went over there to shut off the water and gas, and honestly, I couldn't even leave a key for the neighbors because their places were trashed way worse than mine, so they probably had to evacuate anyway. I only got lucky because of a recent full renovation (even the roof was done) and a bit of pure luck. Also, I work in healthcare, so while I'm not legally restricted from moving around, I'm staying put specifically so I don't catch whatever is going around and end up unable to show up for work.
If something goes wrong with the utilities in your place, the building manager will likely give you a heads-up after they've already shut off the main valves before you even arrive. In that case, the damage should be minimal, so those weekly trips of yours seem totally unnecessary to me. This is about priorities; I get that we all think we're the center of the universe, but imagine how much chaos would happen if everyone like us—people just wanting to "check in"—started driving around. It would be total mayhem.
Hang in there, it'll all work out.

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