Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Edward Fisher86 said:He’s approving home healthcare, so he's likely more acquainted with how things work on the ground. That’s probably what they were aiming for, though we still run into issues since not everyone in need actually qualifies for coverage.

Broadly speaking, I have some serious issues with this residency requirement measure—especially this whole setup where every local Command Center just seems to do whatever they feel like at the moment...

You have tens of thousands of people in self-isolation, and now you're telling them they can't even retreat to a cabin in the woods because there are—admittedly, in small percentages—a few idiots out there breaking quarantine. I mean, do you really think an idiot is going to head out to some remote area just to mess around with their isolation protocols? It doesn't make sense.

On the other hand, I am genuinely curious about what "self-isolation" is supposed to look like in a typical American household with an average number of residents living in it.

Then there's the issue of police patrols stopping every single vehicle to harass people over paperwork; that is basically the literal definition of a super-spreader event.

I get the impression that, caught up in the hype regarding last Sunday's supposed exodus from Washington, D.C., they've made a decision that honestly carries far more downsides than upsides.

James Phillips92 said:It’s simple: when people get hungry. Once the supplies run dry and these clowns in the Government realize they might be facing some serious backlash, that’s when this whole circus will finally wrap up.

Word is it all started down in Southern Italy...
Better grab the crew and make a run for Walmart
Source: Sky News

Dana Robinson4 said:Word is it all started down in Southern Italy...
Better grab the crew and make a run for Walmart
Source: Sky News

🤣😂😂🙂

I’m trying to figure out how things work with separated parents. If neither parent is sick or under quarantine, can the other parent pick up their child and then bring them back later?
I mean, who exactly is going to stop me from seeing my kid when we have a 50/50 custody agreement with their dad?

Benjamin Barnes2 said:A few days ago, the NSCZ was practically begging everyone to just stay put and not leave their homes.
Now, the Department of Justice is out there slapping fines on anyone who ignores those requests.
I actually witnessed this firsthand tonight—a DOJ vehicle was at a checkpoint, pulling cars over and checking addresses just to write up $150 tickets.

I haven't personally seen a hundred-dollar fine handed out yet, but I definitely saw what was happening...

Honestly, you can take a fine like that and throw it straight in the trash. There’s absolutely zero legal basis for punishing people just because they "ignored a request."

Benjamin Barnes2 said:A few days ago, the NSCZ was practically begging everyone to just stay put and not leave their homes.
Now, the Department of Justice is out there slapping fines on anyone who ignores those requests.
I actually witnessed this firsthand tonight—a DOJ vehicle was at a checkpoint, pulling cars over and checking addresses just to write up $150 tickets.

I haven't personally seen a hundred-dollar fine handed out yet, but I definitely saw what was happening...

It’s chaos—though, honestly, I wonder how many of those will actually hold up in court. Regardless, I don't see much point in heading out tonight anyway. I guess that's why they cut the hours at the local grocery stores.

It’s almost funny how every single country in the European Union has cooked up its own weird version of these rules. Store hours, public transit, freedom of movement, fine amounts, quarantine protocols, cell phone tracking, airport status... it's just total madness.

electricbadger89 said:I’m trying to figure out how things work with separated parents. If neither parent is sick or under quarantine, can the other parent pick up their child and then bring them back later?
I mean, who exactly is going to stop me from seeing my kid when we have a 50/50 custody agreement with their dad?

First off—and I say this with all due respect to the legal realities here—in extreme circumstances, a judge could strip away far more than just visitation rights. That whole "let's see who can stop me..." attitude you're taking? It's misguided, frankly.

But, since we aren't dealing with an emergency situation right now, you should theoretically be able to get your court order without much trouble. However—and this is the part people tend to overlook—how much red tape you run into depends entirely on how much of a headache the local clerk or caseworker decides to make you. Depending on how much they decide to nitpick, you might find yourself drowning in endless paperwork, affidavits, and notarized stamps just to satisfy some bureaucrat's mood.

The decision was made specifically to avoid forcing everyone
to flee to the rural towns and islands all at once.
If they did, local doctors wouldn't stand a chance against that kind of sudden surge in patients.
Still, I can’t wait for this restriction to be scrapped
so we can finally get back to normal traffic flow and have the borders fully reopened.

electrichound22 said:The decision was made specifically to avoid forcing everyone
to flee to the rural towns and islands all at once.
If they did, local doctors wouldn't stand a chance against that kind of sudden surge in patients.
Still, I can’t wait for this restriction to be scrapped
so we can finally get back to normal traffic flow and have the borders fully reopened.

Look, if someone chooses to self-isolate, a local doctor isn't going to have anything to do with that. Besides, even then, we'd still be looking at far fewer people than what we see during the peak summer tourist season.

The crux of the matter is that this decision was made under the assumption that people are heading to their vacation homes just because they feel like it—not because staying home is practically impossible for them.

Man, they seriously screwed up here in my city and basically created a perfect storm for spreading this damn virus.

So, get this—there are two main ways you can even enter town now. Instead of having checkpoints at both of those entrances, they decided to put the cops at one single spot about 2-1.9 miles miles deep inside the city limits. Now everyone is just stuck in these massive lines of cars waiting to be checked.

And here’s the kicker: like 90% of the people driving through there actually live right there in those 2-1.9 miles outskirts neighborhoods. Under the current rules, they're totally allowed to head into town for groceries and stuff, so they have to pass through.

Every single resident passing through ends up in close contact with an officer because they have to hand over their ID. Then the cop grabs your ID with his hands—after he's already been touching hundreds of other IDs while wearing those gloves—and then hands it right back to you. It’s just common sense, right? Total madness.🙂

But... But... But, they’re actually wearing gloves!

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electrichound22 said:The decision was made specifically to avoid forcing everyone
to flee to the rural towns and islands all at once.
If they did, local doctors wouldn't stand a chance against that kind of sudden surge in patients.
Still, I can’t wait for this restriction to be scrapped
so we can finally get back to normal traffic flow and have the borders fully reopened.

The decision came way too late. It happened right after 300,000 people from NYC already cleared out of the city.

Bryan Taylor6 said:Start an initiative to dissolve the local township and merge with the next big city over. You’d cut the total amount of red tape in half.

Man, I’d love to see that happen 😁

The idea isn't actually bad...

Once these initial 30 days wrap up,
is there any actual plan to extend this decision through May and June?

Yeah, honestly, it’d be better if we just had those 300,000 people right here in town—just enough to clog up the streets and give everyone something to gossip about.

Keith Barrett2 said:Man, they seriously screwed up here in my city and basically created a perfect storm for spreading this damn virus.

So, get this—there are two main ways you can even enter town now. Instead of having checkpoints at both of those entrances, they decided to put the cops at one single spot about 2-1.9 miles miles deep inside the city limits. Now everyone is just stuck in these massive lines of cars waiting to be checked.

And here’s the kicker: like 90% of the people driving through there actually live right there in those 2-1.9 miles outskirts neighborhoods. Under the current rules, they're totally allowed to head into town for groceries and stuff, so they have to pass through.

Every single resident passing through ends up in close contact with an officer because they have to hand over their ID. Then the cop grabs your ID with his hands—after he's already been touching hundreds of other IDs while wearing those gloves—and then hands it right back to you. It’s just common sense, right? Total madness.🙂

They should be monitoring from a distance—which is actually what they do where I live (not in the US).

Even at my local bakery, the woman puts bread into bags using the same gloves she used to handle cash or credit cards from previous customers. Seriously, haven't they heard of tongs? I actually had to crank up the oven and bake my bread for another 10 minutes just to feel safe.

But hey, what can you do? I guess the best bet is just flooding the government with complaints about these little details that actually drive the infection rates up.

vividranger8 said:Honestly, you can take a fine like that and throw it straight in the trash. There’s absolutely zero legal basis for punishing people just because they "ignored a request."

" checking an address would result in fines of $100"

Is it just me, or does that sentence sound completely nonsensical... or maybe there's something wrong with my head?🤔

I've been scouring the web trying to find where they actually specify the fine amounts for people attempting to cross into another county or city without a permit... but I'm coming up empty... 🤔

Does anyone have a link?

electrichound22 said:The decision was made specifically to avoid forcing everyone
to flee to the rural towns and islands all at once.
If they did, local doctors wouldn't stand a chance against that kind of sudden surge in patients.
Still, I can’t wait for this restriction to be scrapped
so we can finally get back to normal traffic flow and have the borders fully reopened.

Honestly, this whole decision feels like it was made in a panic just to stop a panic, and it's only happening in Washington, D.C. That’s where the real absurdity lies. It seems like the government is actually panicking more than the actual people are!
As for the rest of America, especially the rural areas, this rule really shouldn't have anything to do with them.

And I guess the islands should have handled their own quarantine stuff much earlier if they needed to. I mean, isn't the whole point of a quarantine to keep the disease from getting in, rather than keeping sick people from leaving?
Plus, they really need to keep an eye on the summer tourist season. The chance of things spreading and the strain on the system will be way higher then than it is right now.

It'll be pretty interesting to see how the islands and other vacation spots behave this summer—things might calm down by then, but the problem won't be solved by a long shot. If it took Chinese people a month to sort things out after the peak, it'll probably take Italians at least three, and they haven't even hit the peak yet.
It would be super hypocritical if they start letting in tourists with big spenders later on while blocking Americans from going to their own homes right now.

wiredseal7 said:They should be monitoring from a distance—which is actually what they do where I live (not in the US).

Even at my local bakery, the woman puts bread into bags using the same gloves she used to handle cash or credit cards from previous customers. Seriously, haven't they heard of tongs? I actually had to crank up the oven and bake my bread for another 10 minutes just to feel safe.

But hey, what can you do? I guess the best bet is just flooding the government with complaints about these little details that actually drive the infection rates up.

Man, either your people have superhuman eyesight or you guys are carrying around giant ID cards.😂

So, wait—is it the same deal for you? Like, do they set up checkpoints a few miles inside the city instead of just at the borders?

electrichound22 said:Once these initial 30 days wrap up,
is there any actual plan to extend this decision through May and June?

A thirty-day restriction on leaving one's residence—or is it something else entirely?...
(meaning from March 23rd to April 22nd?🤔)

If anyone could provide a direct link to the official notice, I’d certainly appreciate it... ☕

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