Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Nancy Rivera3 said:I remember seeing some projections suggesting that as many as 50% of Britons already have antibodies... If that's actually true, then this whole thing is just a common cold being used by "them" as a smokescreen to push through some other agenda.

That’s exactly the point.

If that's actually happening, we're getting played while we sit here acting like everything is fine...

But without real verification, we'll never know. And our leaders are doing everything except actually checking the facts.

bluejackal2 said:Check this out: Long before COVID hit, you had people acting all worried, asking what would happen if the local pub shut down?? They had absolutely no clue how much of a shock it would actually be once those bars really did close and they were stuck at home with their wives all day. Honestly, back then, half these guys only dragged their wives to the pub just so they wouldn't have to deal with being home! Psychologists are going to be swamped, just like after any major war—actually, probably even more so.

It's a huge issue for some folks, since their lives don't really function anymore in the standard KKK mode (cafes, betting shops, casinos).

bluejackal2 said:For real though! I honestly just feel bad for the women who have to deal with this at home; I even heard about one lady who actually got smacked right in the face by a projectile.😬

Are you kidding me...🤣

Just another COVID-19 victim.

@Bryan Taylor6

I seem to recall the Chinese authorities mentioning that once this whole epidemic settles down, they plan to conduct an extensive study on a massive sample size—something in the ballpark of 100,000 randomly selected individuals—to check for the presence of antibodies. The idea is that this will finally reveal what actual percentage of the population actually came into contact with the virus and developed immunity.

If we look at the official statistics coming out of China, about 80,000 people fell ill and 3,000 passed away. That works out to roughly 0.006% of the Chinese population, with a mortality rate of about 4% among those infected... So, according to the official numbers, the death rate sits at a rather "terrifying" 4%.

But just imagine if it turns out that 50% of the Chinese population actually encountered the virus, while the death toll remained at that same 3,000 mark. What would the mortality rate be then? It would be practically negligible!

Here is another interesting observation: in Italy, about three-quarters of those who died from COVID-19 were men. Furthermore, the median age of the deceased was 80.5 years, which happens to be exactly the same as the average life expectancy for an Italian man... I wonder what kind of conclusion one might draw from such a coincidence?

Could it be that the people dying from COVID-19 are simply those who, statistically speaking, were already reaching the end of their lives anyway, yet their deaths are being selectively attributed to the virus just to fuel the ongoing hysteria?

Just because someone had a confirmed case of the coronavirus in their system when they passed doesn't necessarily mean they died *because* of the virus. I stumbled upon some data suggesting that for only about 12% of those deaths can it be indisputably proven that the virus was the direct cause, rather than some other underlying condition that would have claimed them regardless.

In fact, a staggering 99.2% of those who passed away had at least one serious chronic illness.

The numbers are going to reveal the truth, but by then, our economy will already be too far gone... and we'll end up being sold out for pennies on the dollar once again.

Nancy Rivera3 said:@Bryan Taylor6

I seem to recall the Chinese authorities mentioning that once this whole epidemic settles down, they plan to conduct an extensive study on a massive sample size—something in the ballpark of 100,000 randomly selected individuals—to check for the presence of antibodies. The idea is that this will finally reveal what actual percentage of the population actually came into contact with the virus and developed immunity.

If we look at the official statistics coming out of China, about 80,000 people fell ill and 3,000 passed away. That works out to roughly 0.006% of the Chinese population, with a mortality rate of about 4% among those infected... So, according to the official numbers, the death rate sits at a rather "terrifying" 4%.

But just imagine if it turns out that 50% of the Chinese population actually encountered the virus, while the death toll remained at that same 3,000 mark. What would the mortality rate be then? It would be practically negligible!

Here is another interesting observation: in Italy, about three-quarters of those who died from COVID-19 were men. Furthermore, the median age of the deceased was 80.5 years, which happens to be exactly the same as the average life expectancy for an Italian man... I wonder what kind of conclusion one might draw from such a coincidence?

Could it be that the people dying from COVID-19 are simply those who, statistically speaking, were already reaching the end of their lives anyway, yet their deaths are being selectively attributed to the virus just to fuel the ongoing hysteria?

Just because someone had a confirmed case of the coronavirus in their system when they passed doesn't necessarily mean they died *because* of the virus. I stumbled upon some data suggesting that for only about 12% of those deaths can it be indisputably proven that the virus was the direct cause, rather than some other underlying condition that would have claimed them regardless.

In fact, a staggering 99.2% of those who passed away had at least one serious chronic illness.

That just can't be true. No way.

We've already chewed on this topic forever on political forums, even back when things were just starting to kick off in Italy. We were all saying the virus was milder, maybe mutated, or that we might have already moved past it... stuff like that.

In the end, though, the virus is totally the same thing and behaves and shows up identically everywhere. Maybe the only difference is how people react to it.
If you look at any country, you'll see the exact same patterns in how the virus acts. I think it's really the countries themselves that decide what the consequences will be. Countries with solid epidemiology and surveillance systems seem to fare the best. Those with good healthcare or high discipline do better too. But the ones where healthcare and discipline are a total mess? They definitely have it the worst.

Looking at the experiences in the United Kingdom and the USA, I feel like it's finally time to stop with those "it's just a flu" mantras. If someone wants to believe that, maybe they can wait to see what happens in Russia, Turkey, or Brazil, but I bet they'll follow the same patterns we've already seen.

One thing people don't seem to get is that the virus doesn't just explode instantly; it kind of "simmers" for up to a month before that exponential growth kicks in. It's done the same thing everywhere so far, including Wuhan.
I mean, Trump, Erdogan, Putin, Johnson, and a huge chunk of Europe all messed up in the exact same way.

Look, I get why everyone’s losing their minds over these permits and all the red tape surrounding them😁 but honestly? I gotta give a massive shout-out to the local CZ headquarters.
They’re working until 3 PM, and if you drop a request after 2, they just handle it the next business day.
I sent mine yesterday afternoon past 2, so I wasn't even expecting anything before Monday. It’s not like it’s a life-or-death situation or anything.😁
The permit showed up in less than an hour—and yeah, that was even after they officially closed at 3 PM.

And before anyone starts—no, I didn't pull any strings or call in any favors. This is just what happens when you use some common sense.
👍

James Phillips92 said:It’s simple: when people get hungry. Once the supplies run dry and these clowns in the Government realize they might be facing some serious backlash, that’s when this whole circus will finally wrap up.

I posted something along those lines once, and suddenly I was getting warnings that I could end up behind bars for saying stuff like that.

Bryan Taylor6 said:Why don't they just release the antibody data so we can see how many people recovered without even knowing they had it? What if it's a third of the American population? Then all this panic is just pointless and it's destroying the economy...

You're being naive. It's all about the mantra: test, test, test. But they're only testing for the "presence" of the virus. Nothing else matters to them.

Keith Cox6 said:Look, Joseph Taylor11, you’ve been super active in this thread since day one, but honestly? You aren't being constructive at all. If this is how you "sound" when you're emailing officials to demand a pass—basically threatening the CZ headquarters by saying they'll lose your vote in the next election—then it’s no wonder you aren't getting anywhere with those flimsy little arguments you keep repeating.
Instead of all that, if you're really as "trapped" by municipal borders as you claim, then just order stuff online. Report local shopkeepers overcharging people to the inspectors, check in with neighbors in town to see if everything's okay with the property, FaceTime your family and friends, or... I don't know, find some other way to pass the time.
If you actually want to go, then go talk to the Mayor or the CZ head and try to secure a permit for shopping or food supplies. For all the other reasons you think they owe you access to neighboring counties—just shut up. You're coming off as incredibly arrogant.

Also, I totally agree that these (completely illogical) measures hit the rest of us way harder than Washington, D.C. residents. It feels like we might just be the test subjects for future restrictions that Washington will eventually have to get used to if this whole COVID situation spirals. We're basically the guinea pigs. 🙂

Look, do you actually realize they just DON'T ALLOW IT? I'm coming from a tiny little hamlet—honestly more of a village than a town—trying to get a permit to head into a nearby city 6.2 miles that's actually quite far, but it's basically just a small spot with one huge supermarket. And you know what they told me?

The official stance from the CZ headquarters and the Department of Homeland Security is that all shopping
and business should be handled within your immediate local area. Traveling is prohibited unless
you have an exceptional permit, which is only valid for a specific date.
Since there are multiple ATMs available in your location, and since following
recommendations from the Federal Reserve, almost all banks have waived fees for
withdrawing cash from other machines, your request is denied. ☕

There is literally ONE ATM, one tiny convenience store, and one small grocery shop. So yeah, they can just shove it.

Anyone else here from the area who’s been hunting for a permit? How long did it take you guys to hear back after submitting the application? I’ve been sitting on this for three days now, and honestly, it feels like an eternity...

vividranger8 said:I’ll just stick to commenting on those folks you're calling "part of the system"... I mean, if some guy who's supposed to be in strict isolation suddenly pops up at a CVS, wouldn't you expect the cops to just haul him straight off to mandatory quarantine—like, toss him right into a Brooklyn jail or something? And then, once he's finally out, maybe a judge could slap him with a massive fine. If that actually happened to the first person, I bet everyone else would think twice before sneaking out for a stroll after their quarantine ends!

Not ready? Seriously? When things really kicked off in Italy, they were banning funerals and weddings—well, unless it was just immediate family, anyway. It shouldn't take some genius-level intellect for our crisis management teams to see what's happening across the European Union and just... I don't know, apply those same rules here immediately? But nope. Here, someone dies, 150 people show up to the funeral, the virus spreads everywhere, and *then*—only then—do they finally pass a rule...!?

Pretty much. Except here, the rules arrive 2 or 3 days after the funeral because apparently, everyone was too busy to notice...
so in the meantime, we hold another 50 funerals before the restrictions actually kick in,
and then another 3 days pass because the police can't enforce it since they aren't sure which department has jurisdiction or which PP it falls under,
and then some relative of a local politician dies, so even the police can't check that one because, hey, everyone had to be at the funeral...

Basically, it's pure chaos and a constant cycle of being way too late to the party. Prevention? Never heard of her.

And they aren't even issuing those permits for elderly assistance. It all just boils down to "go contact the Red Cross."

God, what a mountain of nonsense

A few days ago, the NSCZ was practically begging everyone to just stay put and not leave their homes.
Now, the Department of Justice is out there slapping fines on anyone who ignores those requests.
I actually witnessed this firsthand tonight—a DOJ vehicle was at a checkpoint, pulling cars over and checking addresses just to write up $150 tickets.

I haven't personally seen a hundred-dollar fine handed out yet, but I definitely saw what was happening...

darktinker4 said:Look, do you actually realize they just DON'T ALLOW IT? I'm coming from a tiny little hamlet—honestly more of a village than a town—trying to get a permit to head into a nearby city 6.2 miles that's actually quite far, but it's basically just a small spot with one huge supermarket. And you know what they told me?

The official stance from the CZ headquarters and the Department of Homeland Security is that all shopping
and business should be handled within your immediate local area. Traveling is prohibited unless
you have an exceptional permit, which is only valid for a specific date.
Since there are multiple ATMs available in your location, and since following
recommendations from the Federal Reserve, almost all banks have waived fees for
withdrawing cash from other machines, your request is denied. ☕

There is literally ONE ATM, one tiny convenience store, and one small grocery shop. So yeah, they can just shove it.

Listen, why don't you try coming to the table with something substantive and actually meaningful—something that truly isn't available, like adult diapers or some specific hypoallergenic medical supply that you have a legitimate, pressing need for, rather than just complaining about things that aren't even an issue.

Matthew Jackson2 said:Listen, why don't you try coming to the table with something substantive and actually meaningful—something that truly isn't available, like adult diapers or some specific hypoallergenic medical supply that you have a legitimate, pressing need for, rather than just complaining about things that aren't even an issue.

This is great!! 😁

Steven Morris12 said:Look, I get why everyone’s losing their minds over these permits and all the red tape surrounding them😁 but honestly? I gotta give a massive shout-out to the local CZ headquarters.
They’re working until 3 PM, and if you drop a request after 2, they just handle it the next business day.
I sent mine yesterday afternoon past 2, so I wasn't even expecting anything before Monday. It’s not like it’s a life-or-death situation or anything.😁
The permit showed up in less than an hour—and yeah, that was even after they officially closed at 3 PM.

And before anyone starts—no, I didn't pull any strings or call in any favors. This is just what happens when you use some common sense.
👍

Is this perhaps the very same task force that—and I mean more sanctimonious than the Pope here—as far as I can tell, is the only one in the entire country (does every single local task force really need to invent their own rulebook that contradicts what the federal government mandates?) inventing an extra layer of bureaucracy where, for obtaining a permit based on circumstances involving caring for the elderly, the infirm, or non-relatives acting as caregivers, you now have to submit a formal opinion from a primary care physician?

I can already see the sheer exhaustion on the faces of these doctors because, given how completely broken our healthcare system is right now, they’re being forced to deal with even more nonsense like providing these "opinions"—and I mean, what could a primary care doctor possibly weigh in onregarding the specifics of caring for the elderly, the infirm, or non-relatives who aren't blood-related to the patient??? But hey, I guess that’s just what some bureaucrat decided was a good idea.

#bureaucracyatitspeak

darktinker4 said:Look, do you actually realize they just DON'T ALLOW IT? I'm coming from a tiny little hamlet—honestly more of a village than a town—trying to get a permit to head into a nearby city 6.2 miles that's actually quite far, but it's basically just a small spot with one huge supermarket. And you know what they told me?

The official stance from the CZ headquarters and the Department of Homeland Security is that all shopping
and business should be handled within your immediate local area. Traveling is prohibited unless
you have an exceptional permit, which is only valid for a specific date.
Since there are multiple ATMs available in your location, and since following
recommendations from the Federal Reserve, almost all banks have waived fees for
withdrawing cash from other machines, your request is denied. ☕

There is literally ONE ATM, one tiny convenience store, and one small grocery shop. So yeah, they can just shove it.

Exactly what we have here—two little shops, and if one happens to close because the cashier caught a cold, we're basically screwed...

I don't see the logic when your whole township has fewer people than a single city neighborhood, and houses are spread out across fields, whereas in a city you can zip from one end to the other easily with way more people around.

Basically, you can't even grab meat or fish or do a real grocery run because those tiny local spots don't carry it. They kept saying "don't panic buy." I guess people living in the suburbs with plenty of stores can't wrap their heads around what we're dealing with.

Nicholas King said:Is this perhaps the very same task force that—and I mean more sanctimonious than the Pope here—as far as I can tell, is the only one in the entire country (does every single local task force really need to invent their own rulebook that contradicts what the federal government mandates?) inventing an extra layer of bureaucracy where, for obtaining a permit based on circumstances involving caring for the elderly, the infirm, or non-relatives acting as caregivers, you now have to submit a formal opinion from a primary care physician?

I can already see the sheer exhaustion on the faces of these doctors because, given how completely broken our healthcare system is right now, they’re being forced to deal with even more nonsense like providing these "opinions"—and I mean, what could a primary care doctor possibly weigh in onregarding the specifics of caring for the elderly, the infirm, or non-relatives who aren't blood-related to the patient??? But hey, I guess that’s just what some bureaucrat decided was a good idea.

#bureaucracyatitspeak

He’s approving home healthcare, so he's likely more acquainted with how things work on the ground. That’s probably what they were aiming for, though we still run into issues since not everyone in need actually qualifies for coverage.

stormybadger8 said:Pretty much. Except here, the rules arrive 2 or 3 days after the funeral because apparently, everyone was too busy to notice...
so in the meantime, we hold another 50 funerals before the restrictions actually kick in,
and then another 3 days pass because the police can't enforce it since they aren't sure which department has jurisdiction or which PP it falls under,
and then some relative of a local politician dies, so even the police can't check that one because, hey, everyone had to be at the funeral...

Basically, it's pure chaos and a constant cycle of being way too late to the party. Prevention? Never heard of her.

Some Mardi Gras circus in New Orleans...
Probably packed with people carrying the virus, but we already knew things were a mess over there.
If you look at the infection graphs, by now everyone in this entire country should have been infected at least twice.
So yeah, they're selling us fairy tales.
Why?
Who knows... we'll see what happens in the coming months...