Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Keith Cox6 said:Look, Joseph Taylor11, you’ve been super active in this thread since day one, but honestly? You aren't being constructive at all. If this is how you "sound" when you're emailing officials to demand a pass—basically threatening the CZ headquarters by saying they'll lose your vote in the next election—then it’s no wonder you aren't getting anywhere with those flimsy little arguments you keep repeating.
Instead of all that, if you're really as "trapped" by municipal borders as you claim, then just order stuff online. Report local shopkeepers overcharging people to the inspectors, check in with neighbors in town to see if everything's okay with the property, FaceTime your family and friends, or... I don't know, find some other way to pass the time.
If you actually want to go, then go talk to the Mayor or the CZ head and try to secure a permit for shopping or food supplies. For all the other reasons you think they owe you access to neighboring counties—just shut up. You're coming off as incredibly arrogant.

Also, I totally agree that these (completely illogical) measures hit the rest of us way harder than Washington, D.C. residents. It feels like we might just be the test subjects for future restrictions that Washington will eventually have to get used to if this whole COVID situation spirals. We're basically the guinea pigs. 🙂

That’s your take, and honestly, I couldn't care less. I generally don't care what strangers think of me.

I started out being incredibly polite when dealing with the local emergency management office... after that, I obviously had to show a little "attitude"—but I ended things on a polite note again. And pretty constructively, too—because, if you really must know, our local police department decided that people in my town actually don't need travel permits to get to the next city over. So I handled that part (whether you call it constructive or arrogant, I don't really mind)—basically, I got it done.
(And clearly, I wasn't the only one complaining... but even if I had been, I'm glad I could help everyone else out! 👍)

The fact that I'm being "easygoing" on this forum is just a defense mechanism—and if I want to protect my own mental health, that’s a good thing for me.
For everyone else, I suggest using the "ignore" button.
I assume it works.
(Because personally, I don't have anyone on "ignore.")

☕

wiredseal7 said:Hmm, sounds like they leaked that $30k figure just to keep people from swarming the checkpoints or trying to cut through side roads. Clever trick—looks like our brains only start working when things hit the fan.

Nothing actually worked on them. One idiot blurted it out, the news picked it up, and boom—instant fame.

Nancy Rivera3 said:An employer can issue a pass based on where an employee lives versus their actual job site, which also covers field work authorization through a travel order.
Or perhaps they could even do it without a formal travel order, just by using a signed statement from the boss... I’m honestly not sure about that part because my company has completely suspended all field visits anyway.

That being said, @tessaa, if you’re feeling brave, I really think your employer could issue you a pass (along with a travel order) without making a huge ordeal out of it just so you can handle whatever business you need to attend to one time. Unless, of course, you're under a self-isolation order—in which case, you'll just have to stay quiet and wait out the two weeks or whatever time you have left. It isn't the end of the world.

Regardless, the whole situation is just sickening; seeing one of the poorest nations in North America enforcing such brutal restrictions and causing such economic devastation, while people in some of the wealthiest countries are living almost completely normally!

The little Napoleon Bonapartes and Adolf Hitlers of the world have "come out of the closet," and frankly, who cares... though the ones we see today are actually worse than those historical figures who at least had some semblance of strategic planning going on with three grains of salt in their heads. No, no, these guys are more like Nero or the captains of the Titanic! And to top it off, they’re patting each other on the back and playing the "hero" role. It is truly nauseating to watch.

But they’ll save themselves one way or another on this sinking ship, and right now, they're enjoying their little "victory" days. Once it's all over, they'll figure things out as they go, using this as an excuse for another decade of crisis and selling off vital state assets for pennies on the dollar to massive multinational corporations...

Where on earth did anyone get the idea that I'm in quarantine just because I'm complaining about this??🤦

My employer is in a different city entirely. I work from home.
I’ll get my pass whenever and if ever I actually have to head into town for work.

Though, at this point, it doesn't even matter.
The thing is—this isn't just me barking at nothing—it affects everyone.

Even if I managed to sort everything out for myself perfectly, I’d still be bothered by the sheer way this whole thing was handled.
Is it really that hard to wrap your head around?
That there are people who will push back against stupidity—even when it doesn't hit them directly?🤔
Well, I suppose some people do. But that's clearly not me.☕
I think a healthy rebellion against nonsense is just baked into my DNA.

hollowwalker24 said:Around 865 Americans got busted breaking quarantine—some were repeat offenders, too

With people acting like this, I guess we should probably expect even stricter lockdowns and mandatory quarantines soon...

Like I said before—and I’ll say it again—these folks clearly need an electric collar with a GPS tracker. That way, if they step out of bounds, maybe a little shock would remind them to stay put...

An explosive collar would actually be more effective.

The real problem at the end of the day will be that those who actually have a legitimate reason to travel will find it nearly impossible to get a permit.

Carl Morris34 said:An explosive collar would actually be more effective.

The real problem at the end of the day will be that those who actually have a legitimate reason to travel will find it nearly impossible to get a permit.

The whole point is to ensure that infectious material gets dispersed as widely as possible.😵

Joseph Taylor11 said:That’s your take, and honestly, I couldn't care less. I generally don't care what strangers think of me.

I started out being incredibly polite when dealing with the local emergency management office... after that, I obviously had to show a little "attitude"—but I ended things on a polite note again. And pretty constructively, too—because, if you really must know, our local police department decided that people in my town actually don't need travel permits to get to the next city over. So I handled that part (whether you call it constructive or arrogant, I don't really mind)—basically, I got it done.
(And clearly, I wasn't the only one complaining... but even if I had been, I'm glad I could help everyone else out! 👍)

The fact that I'm being "easygoing" on this forum is just a defense mechanism—and if I want to protect my own mental health, that’s a good thing for me.
For everyone else, I suggest using the "ignore" button.
I assume it works.
(Because personally, I don't have anyone on "ignore.")

☕

Oh, man, it definitely works, and honestly, it's super effective—I've already put a few of them on ignore just to protect my own peace of mind.

hollowwalker24 said:Around 865 Americans got busted breaking quarantine—some were repeat offenders, too

With people acting like this, I guess we should probably expect even stricter lockdowns and mandatory quarantines soon...

Like I said before—and I’ll say it again—these folks clearly need an electric collar with a GPS tracker. That way, if they step out of bounds, maybe a little shock would remind them to stay put...

But hey, it’s not just about them—it’s kind of on all of us too, I guess. We've basically built a country where criminals of every single kind just wander around town freely, or they flee to Austria or Canada and just laugh right in our faces. So, like, can we really expect regular folks to step up and be responsible? All those police officers hunkered down at checkpoints right now—they could have been used way more effectively if they were actually checking in on people in isolation every single day.

It’s a lot easier this way.

vividranger8 said:But hey, it’s not just about them—it’s kind of on all of us too, I guess. We've basically built a country where criminals of every single kind just wander around town freely, or they flee to Austria or Canada and just laugh right in our faces. So, like, can we really expect regular folks to step up and be responsible? All those police officers hunkered down at checkpoints right now—they could have been used way more effectively if they were actually checking in on people in isolation every single day.

Where on earth did you get the idea that the police aren't monitoring people in isolation?
Let’s recap here: there are the "registered" folks in the system who are actually isolating, and then there's the massive group of people who—just because they felt like it—refused to "register" by notifying their family doctor or the local health official. So, the issue isn't the people the system actually knows about. The problem is the huge majority who were exposed to someone potentially infected, or even confirmed cases, but kept their mouths shut and decided to "speak up" only after symptoms kicked in—by which time they’d been walking around freely or infecting medical staff by withholding the truth.
My sister is a doctor at one of those hospitals where nearly half the staff is out on quarantine. With that in mind, I have to ask: who is left to treat everyone else? We were already short-staffed, and now we're even more depleted. It’s no wonder surgeries are being postponed; oncology patients have never been in a more precarious spot because everyone is suddenly preoccupied with COVID.
Also, when you compare the measures implemented here to other—let's say, more liberal—systems, don't forget that our economic, financial, and healthcare capabilities are way below the average of the places you're citing. We simply aren't equipped to handle the fallout of this crisis, which is why the measures are so drastic and why following them feels like such an impossible struggle.
Well, honestly, it would be better if we were hit by a permanent recession next, because clearly, the priority is ensuring you can invoke your constitutional guarantee to go water the plants in an apartment in a neighboring city. If pausing your life is such a struggle, you'll probably all end up unemployed, banging your heads against whatever little wall hasn't collapsed from an earthquake yet—well, if only I had known. But you knew!

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I was catching up with a buddy on the phone today, and honestly, it just leaves me feeling totally floored by how much the news cycles and those endless online portals mess with people's heads. He’s actually questioning things like—get this—me just driving from one side of town to the other the other day, or even just taking a stroll through a local park. It’s like he thinks you aren't even allowed to step foot outside anymore. Honestly, if we keep going down this path, people are going to lose their minds. 😵🤣

Charles Carter4 said:I was catching up with a buddy on the phone today, and honestly, it just leaves me feeling totally floored by how much the news cycles and those endless online portals mess with people's heads. He’s actually questioning things like—get this—me just driving from one side of town to the other the other day, or even just taking a stroll through a local park. It’s like he thinks you aren't even allowed to step foot outside anymore. Honestly, if we keep going down this path, people are going to lose their minds. 😵🤣

Check this out: Long before COVID hit, you had people acting all worried, asking what would happen if the local pub shut down?? They had absolutely no clue how much of a shock it would actually be once those bars really did close and they were stuck at home with their wives all day. Honestly, back then, half these guys only dragged their wives to the pub just so they wouldn't have to deal with being home! Psychologists are going to be swamped, just like after any major war—actually, probably even more so.

bluejackal2 said:Check this out: Long before COVID hit, you had people acting all worried, asking what would happen if the local pub shut down?? They had absolutely no clue how much of a shock it would actually be once those bars really did close and they were stuck at home with their wives all day. Honestly, back then, half these guys only dragged their wives to the pub just so they wouldn't have to deal with being home! Psychologists are going to be swamped, just like after any major war—actually, probably even more so.

They're going to get PTSD from the bars being closed😁

Bryan Taylor6 said:They're going to get PTSD from the bars being closed😁

For real though! I honestly just feel bad for the women who have to deal with this at home; I even heard about one lady who actually got smacked right in the face by a projectile.😬

Keith Cox6 said:Where on earth did you get the idea that the police aren't monitoring people in isolation?
Let’s recap here: there are the "registered" folks in the system who are actually isolating, and then there's the massive group of people who—just because they felt like it—refused to "register" by notifying their family doctor or the local health official. So, the issue isn't the people the system actually knows about. The problem is the huge majority who were exposed to someone potentially infected, or even confirmed cases, but kept their mouths shut and decided to "speak up" only after symptoms kicked in—by which time they’d been walking around freely or infecting medical staff by withholding the truth.
My sister is a doctor at one of those hospitals where nearly half the staff is out on quarantine. With that in mind, I have to ask: who is left to treat everyone else? We were already short-staffed, and now we're even more depleted. It’s no wonder surgeries are being postponed; oncology patients have never been in a more precarious spot because everyone is suddenly preoccupied with COVID.
Also, when you compare the measures implemented here to other—let's say, more liberal—systems, don't forget that our economic, financial, and healthcare capabilities are way below the average of the places you're citing. We simply aren't equipped to handle the fallout of this crisis, which is why the measures are so drastic and why following them feels like such an impossible struggle.
Well, honestly, it would be better if we were hit by a permanent recession next, because clearly, the priority is ensuring you can invoke your constitutional guarantee to go water the plants in an apartment in a neighboring city. If pausing your life is such a struggle, you'll probably all end up unemployed, banging your heads against whatever little wall hasn't collapsed from an earthquake yet—well, if only I had known. But you knew!

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Why don't they just release the antibody data so we can see how many people recovered without even knowing they had it? What if it's a third of the American population? Then all this panic is just pointless and it's destroying the economy...

bluejackal2 said:For real though! I honestly just feel bad for the women who have to deal with this at home; I even heard about one lady who actually got smacked right in the face by a projectile.😬

He's finally seeing things clearly now that the whiskey has worn off. He's actually realizing what he signed up for... 😁

Joseph Taylor11 said:Where on earth did anyone get the idea that I'm in quarantine just because I'm complaining about this??🤦

My employer is in a different city entirely. I work from home.
I’ll get my pass whenever and if ever I actually have to head into town for work.

Though, at this point, it doesn't even matter.
The thing is—this isn't just me barking at nothing—it affects everyone.

Even if I managed to sort everything out for myself perfectly, I’d still be bothered by the sheer way this whole thing was handled.
Is it really that hard to wrap your head around?
That there are people who will push back against stupidity—even when it doesn't hit them directly?🤔
Well, I suppose some people do. But that's clearly not me.☕
I think a healthy rebellion against nonsense is just baked into my DNA.

+1

It’s nearly impossible to keep up with every single one of your posts, though I haven't even attempted to! ☕ It simply seemed to me that you had a specific issue in another city and someone was giving you a hard time regarding your travel permit.

It’s easy to dismiss it as mere stupidity. But it’s a real mess if we're talking about a flawed plan...

Keith Cox6 said:Where on earth did you get the idea that the police aren't monitoring people in isolation?
Let’s recap here: there are the "registered" folks in the system who are actually isolating, and then there's the massive group of people who—just because they felt like it—refused to "register" by notifying their family doctor or the local health official. So, the issue isn't the people the system actually knows about. The problem is the huge majority who were exposed to someone potentially infected, or even confirmed cases, but kept their mouths shut and decided to "speak up" only after symptoms kicked in—by which time they’d been walking around freely or infecting medical staff by withholding the truth.
My sister is a doctor at one of those hospitals where nearly half the staff is out on quarantine. With that in mind, I have to ask: who is left to treat everyone else? We were already short-staffed, and now we're even more depleted. It’s no wonder surgeries are being postponed; oncology patients have never been in a more precarious spot because everyone is suddenly preoccupied with COVID.
Also, when you compare the measures implemented here to other—let's say, more liberal—systems, don't forget that our economic, financial, and healthcare capabilities are way below the average of the places you're citing. We simply aren't equipped to handle the fallout of this crisis, which is why the measures are so drastic and why following them feels like such an impossible struggle.
Well, honestly, it would be better if we were hit by a permanent recession next, because clearly, the priority is ensuring you can invoke your constitutional guarantee to go water the plants in an apartment in a neighboring city. If pausing your life is such a struggle, you'll probably all end up unemployed, banging your heads against whatever little wall hasn't collapsed from an earthquake yet—well, if only I had known. But you knew!

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I’ll just stick to commenting on those folks you're calling "part of the system"... I mean, if some guy who's supposed to be in strict isolation suddenly pops up at a CVS, wouldn't you expect the cops to just haul him straight off to mandatory quarantine—like, toss him right into a Brooklyn jail or something? And then, once he's finally out, maybe a judge could slap him with a massive fine. If that actually happened to the first person, I bet everyone else would think twice before sneaking out for a stroll after their quarantine ends!

Keith Cox6 said:Where on earth did you get the idea that the police aren't monitoring people in isolation?
Let’s recap here: there are the "registered" folks in the system who are actually isolating, and then there's the massive group of people who—just because they felt like it—refused to "register" by notifying their family doctor or the local health official. So, the issue isn't the people the system actually knows about. The problem is the huge majority who were exposed to someone potentially infected, or even confirmed cases, but kept their mouths shut and decided to "speak up" only after symptoms kicked in—by which time they’d been walking around freely or infecting medical staff by withholding the truth.
My sister is a doctor at one of those hospitals where nearly half the staff is out on quarantine. With that in mind, I have to ask: who is left to treat everyone else? We were already short-staffed, and now we're even more depleted. It’s no wonder surgeries are being postponed; oncology patients have never been in a more precarious spot because everyone is suddenly preoccupied with COVID.
Also, when you compare the measures implemented here to other—let's say, more liberal—systems, don't forget that our economic, financial, and healthcare capabilities are way below the average of the places you're citing. We simply aren't equipped to handle the fallout of this crisis, which is why the measures are so drastic and why following them feels like such an impossible struggle.
Well, honestly, it would be better if we were hit by a permanent recession next, because clearly, the priority is ensuring you can invoke your constitutional guarantee to go water the plants in an apartment in a neighboring city. If pausing your life is such a struggle, you'll probably all end up unemployed, banging your heads against whatever little wall hasn't collapsed from an earthquake yet—well, if only I had known. But you knew!

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Not ready? Seriously? When things really kicked off in Italy, they were banning funerals and weddings—well, unless it was just immediate family, anyway. It shouldn't take some genius-level intellect for our crisis management teams to see what's happening across the European Union and just... I don't know, apply those same rules here immediately? But nope. Here, someone dies, 150 people show up to the funeral, the virus spreads everywhere, and *then*—only then—do they finally pass a rule...!?

Nancy Rivera3 said:An employer can issue a pass based on where an employee lives versus their actual job site, which also covers field work authorization through a travel order.
Or perhaps they could even do it without a formal travel order, just by using a signed statement from the boss... I’m honestly not sure about that part because my company has completely suspended all field visits anyway.

That being said, @tessaa, if you’re feeling brave, I really think your employer could issue you a pass (along with a travel order) without making a huge ordeal out of it just so you can handle whatever business you need to attend to one time. Unless, of course, you're under a self-isolation order—in which case, you'll just have to stay quiet and wait out the two weeks or whatever time you have left. It isn't the end of the world.

Regardless, the whole situation is just sickening; seeing one of the poorest nations in North America enforcing such brutal restrictions and causing such economic devastation, while people in some of the wealthiest countries are living almost completely normally!

The little Napoleon Bonapartes and Adolf Hitlers of the world have "come out of the closet," and frankly, who cares... though the ones we see today are actually worse than those historical figures who at least had some semblance of strategic planning going on with three grains of salt in their heads. No, no, these guys are more like Nero or the captains of the Titanic! And to top it off, they’re patting each other on the back and playing the "hero" role. It is truly nauseating to watch.

But they’ll save themselves one way or another on this sinking ship, and right now, they're enjoying their little "victory" days. Once it's all over, they'll figure things out as they go, using this as an excuse for another decade of crisis and selling off vital state assets for pennies on the dollar to massive multinational corporations...

You're too kind. You speak with such wisdom.

Bryan Taylor6 said:He's finally seeing things clearly now that the whiskey has worn off. He's actually realizing what he signed up for... 😁

And hey, look at her—she's totally come to terms with the fact that she deserved a slap to the face, so everything is peaceful now.😁

Bryan Taylor6 said:Why don't they just release the antibody data so we can see how many people recovered without even knowing they had it? What if it's a third of the American population? Then all this panic is just pointless and it's destroying the economy...

I remember seeing some projections suggesting that as many as 50% of Britons already have antibodies... If that's actually true, then this whole thing is just a common cold being used by "them" as a smokescreen to push through some other agenda.