Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Adam Collins4 said:Look, there are some of us who spent three or four weeks at a time out in the Appalachians or near the Rockies back in the '90s—while snipers were popping off and grenades were flying all around us, much to the delight of the local kids...

And we did it without any connection to our families... because technology basically didn't exist, and I won't even get into the other reasons for that...

But you people? In this era of high-speed internet, smartphones, and endless apps, you think being alone for a little while is some kind of crisis...

If things actually got real—if you had to dodge the police or bust through blockades—you’d be running.

I agree, there's no point in this debate. You honestly have no clue what actual shit looks like—especially when your mother or your wife is waiting at home, praying you actually show up alive...

Or what it feels like every single time you say goodbye before heading to a post where you won't be back for weeks...

Or going back out into the field for the first time after being wounded, trying to deal with the chaos in your own head while watching your mother refuse to let go of your hands...

There are things you haven't experienced, and you should just thank whatever Bog you believe in that you didn't have to.

This is a minor issue that can—and must—be fixed...

Nobody said it would be easy, but the sheer amount of pathetic whining here is getting a bit much... especially considering everything modern technology provides.

What's the actual difference between your stories and those tales soldiers used to tell their kids just to teach them discipline?

Back then, there was always just a small group of people on the front lines while the rest of the country tried to live as normally as possible.

Right now, it feels like the entire country is stuck in the trenches on the front line.

Adam Collins4 said:Look, there are some of us who spent three or four weeks at a time out in the Appalachians or near the Rockies back in the '90s—while snipers were popping off and grenades were flying all around us, much to the delight of the local kids...

And we did it without any connection to our families... because technology basically didn't exist, and I won't even get into the other reasons for that...

But you people? In this era of high-speed internet, smartphones, and endless apps, you think being alone for a little while is some kind of crisis...

If things actually got real—if you had to dodge the police or bust through blockades—you’d be running.

I agree, there's no point in this debate. You honestly have no clue what actual shit looks like—especially when your mother or your wife is waiting at home, praying you actually show up alive...

Or what it feels like every single time you say goodbye before heading to a post where you won't be back for weeks...

Or going back out into the field for the first time after being wounded, trying to deal with the chaos in your own head while watching your mother refuse to let go of your hands...

There are things you haven't experienced, and you should just thank whatever Bog you believe in that you didn't have to.

This is a minor issue that can—and must—be fixed...

Nobody said it would be easy, but the sheer amount of pathetic whining here is getting a bit much... especially considering everything modern technology provides.

Look, this isn't the time for war stories or acting like a know-it-all.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of being grateful to everyone who fought for the freedom and rights that allow these mobsters to keep us indebted for the next 1,000 years.

So, this thread isn't about war stories. Honestly, if a war broke out today, I'd be the first one out of the country—I'm smart enough to realize there's no sense in throwing my life away for this homeland. That’s just how it is for a young guy focused on his job, his money, his investments, and his future.

Adam Collins4 said:But you aren't even complaining about the economy—you're just upset because you can't go see someone...

That is a completely different issue; the economy is moving along as well as it can...

But, since you brought up the economy...

If the government shut down all the potential hotspots—restaurants, bars, various shops and small businesses—and limited how many people can be in places like grocery stores, pharmacies, or repair shops, then why on earth are they allowing people to travel dozens of miles and potentially spread the virus?

Are you guys seriously not watching what's happening in the UK, Spain, or France?

This isn't about being heartless; it's just how things are right now...

If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd see that nothing special is actually happening here.

For every doomsday scenario being written, there's evidence that completely shuts it down.

The virus spreading? Look—first off, I have a cousin living with her boyfriend who tested positive and already recovered.

They didn't even test her because they said they were waiting for symptoms—that there weren't enough tests available.

They didn't test everyone she had contact with either—her family with two little kids and a chronic patient.

And what? Are you going to lecture me again about that famous flu that supposedly kills everyone?

If it were true, they would have tested everyone who was exposed.

It’s not about the symptoms—it’s about the virus spreading through people who are infected but have no idea, or won't even show symptoms at all.

It’s like everyone thinks if we didn't get sick, it just means we caught the bug but our immune systems—you know, the MVPs—just shut it down before it could even start.

Anyway, there goes a few minutes of my life I'll never get back—spent replying to you when you clearly weren't looking for an answer.

How long is the wait for a permit in Washington, D.C.?
I need to head out to see my parents (to drop off groceries, meds, etc.), and I also need to take my dad's car in for an inspection—does anyone know if they issue permits for stuff like that? Anyone have any insight? Thanks!

David Rodriguez8 said:How long is the wait for a permit in Washington, D.C.?
I need to head out to see my parents (to drop off groceries, meds, etc.), and I also need to take my dad's car in for an inspection—does anyone know if they issue permits for stuff like that? Anyone have any insight? Thanks!

FEMA handles those permits. My sister got hers almost immediately for elderly care in a different county.
But you're dealing with a major metro area...

Kyle Nelson2 said:What's the actual difference between your stories and those tales soldiers used to tell their kids just to teach them discipline?

Back then, there was always just a small group of people on the front lines while the rest of the country tried to live as normally as possible.

Right now, it feels like the entire country is stuck in the trenches on the front line.

Actually, it's not even the whole country yet—it's the doctors and medical staff who are really on the front lines right now...

Once they get overwhelmed, that’s when we should probably start looking at what’s happening in Italy and Spain to see how bad things are getting over there...

The reason I brought up war is because, back then, you’d head off for long stretches without any of this modern tech to keep you connected...

Your comparison misses the mark, though, because during wartime, there were parts of America that the conflict didn't touch—places that could still function perfectly fine...

Today isn't like that. Today, everyone is vulnerable.

Sandra Thomas39 said:Hey there.
Got a bit of a random question for the group.
We’re currently hanging out at our weekend spot up in the Appalachians while everything back home is shut down for the weekend.
The kids are having an absolute blast, and honestly, we’ve got total privacy—it feels like we own this whole mountain...
I’m not even itching to get back to the city since my job is fully remote, but my wife’s salon is locked up tight until Monday.
Of course, we aren't officially registered as being at this location.
So, here's the real kicker: do we actually have to head back to the city right now?

Nah, I'm pretty sure you can get back without a pass, but there's no going back once you're out.

Kenneth Jones70 said:Look, this isn't the time for war stories or acting like a know-it-all.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of being grateful to everyone who fought for the freedom and rights that allow these mobsters to keep us indebted for the next 1,000 years.

So, this thread isn't about war stories. Honestly, if a war broke out today, I'd be the first one out of the country—I'm smart enough to realize there's no sense in throwing my life away for this homeland. That’s just how it is for a young guy focused on his job, his money, his investments, and his future.

If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd see that nothing special is actually happening here.

For every doomsday scenario being written, there's evidence that completely shuts it down.

The virus spreading? Look—first off, I have a cousin living with her boyfriend who tested positive and already recovered.

They didn't even test her because they said they were waiting for symptoms—that there weren't enough tests available.

They didn't test everyone she had contact with either—her family with two little kids and a chronic patient.

And what? Are you going to lecture me again about that famous flu that supposedly kills everyone?

If it were true, they would have tested everyone who was exposed.

It’s not about the symptoms—it’s about the virus spreading through people who are infected but have no idea, or won't even show symptoms at all.

It’s like everyone thinks if we didn't get sick, it just means we caught the bug but our immune systems—you know, the MVPs—just shut it down before it could even start.

Anyway, there goes a few minutes of my life I'll never get back—spent replying to you when you clearly weren't looking for an answer.

Listen, let’s clear the air—nobody here ever talks about actual war stories. If I actually started diving into what things were really like back then, you probably wouldn't get a wink of sleep. Honestly, if you're the kind of sensitive soul who gets worked up just thinking about someone being out of sight for a little while, you’d be running straight to the cops or trying to bust through police blockades at the first sign of trouble. You just aren't built for this stuff.

Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised by your take—it’s not exactly groundbreaking. We saw plenty of people acting just like this back during the early '90s—folks who were more concerned with looking out for their own skin than actually standing up for any real principles or bigger ideals. It’s the same old story, really.

People like you aren't ever going to get people like me—and honestly, I’m not sure we even want to. It’s just one of those things.

Look, I get it. I was eighteen once too—just a kid, really—living abroad when everything kicked off. And then, suddenly, I found myself back home, stepping up to defend my own country.

And no, I wasn't crying just because I won't be seeing someone for a while...

Kenneth Jones70 said:Look, this isn't the time for war stories or acting like a know-it-all.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of being grateful to everyone who fought for the freedom and rights that allow these mobsters to keep us indebted for the next 1,000 years.

So, this thread isn't about war stories. Honestly, if a war broke out today, I'd be the first one out of the country—I'm smart enough to realize there's no sense in throwing my life away for this homeland. That’s just how it is for a young guy focused on his job, his money, his investments, and his future.

If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd see that nothing special is actually happening here.

For every doomsday scenario being written, there's evidence that completely shuts it down.

The virus spreading? Look—first off, I have a cousin living with her boyfriend who tested positive and already recovered.

They didn't even test her because they said they were waiting for symptoms—that there weren't enough tests available.

They didn't test everyone she had contact with either—her family with two little kids and a chronic patient.

And what? Are you going to lecture me again about that famous flu that supposedly kills everyone?

If it were true, they would have tested everyone who was exposed.

It’s not about the symptoms—it’s about the virus spreading through people who are infected but have no idea, or won't even show symptoms at all.

It’s like everyone thinks if we didn't get sick, it just means we caught the bug but our immune systems—you know, the MVPs—just shut it down before it could even start.

Anyway, there goes a few minutes of my life I'll never get back—spent replying to you when you clearly weren't looking for an answer.

Nothing special? Just the usual.

Having some trouble with your internet connection or your cable signal?

Are you not getting the photos from Italy, Spain, or France?

Don't you ever just feel that sheer, overwhelming desperation coming off their medical staff? It’s palpable.

Look, I guess you’re probably tied up with something—or maybe just too busy to actually make time to see anyone...

And people should just drop dead if anyone dares to claim this isn't a big deal... honestly.

Kenneth Jones70 said:Look, this isn't the time for war stories or acting like a know-it-all.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of being grateful to everyone who fought for the freedom and rights that allow these mobsters to keep us indebted for the next 1,000 years.

So, this thread isn't about war stories. Honestly, if a war broke out today, I'd be the first one out of the country—I'm smart enough to realize there's no sense in throwing my life away for this homeland. That’s just how it is for a young guy focused on his job, his money, his investments, and his future.

If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd see that nothing special is actually happening here.

For every doomsday scenario being written, there's evidence that completely shuts it down.

The virus spreading? Look—first off, I have a cousin living with her boyfriend who tested positive and already recovered.

They didn't even test her because they said they were waiting for symptoms—that there weren't enough tests available.

They didn't test everyone she had contact with either—her family with two little kids and a chronic patient.

And what? Are you going to lecture me again about that famous flu that supposedly kills everyone?

If it were true, they would have tested everyone who was exposed.

It’s not about the symptoms—it’s about the virus spreading through people who are infected but have no idea, or won't even show symptoms at all.

It’s like everyone thinks if we didn't get sick, it just means we caught the bug but our immune systems—you know, the MVPs—just shut it down before it could even start.

Anyway, there goes a few minutes of my life I'll never get back—spent replying to you when you clearly weren't looking for an answer.

Honestly, it’s just painful watching how people can be this clueless and uninformed when we literally have the entire internet at our fingertips...

Yet here we go again, with more nonsense claiming this is just like the flu...

The R0 for the flu is around 1.4 to 1.7—but the R0 for this crap is pushing 4...

By all means, feel free to show me some photos or videos where "just the flu" causes this kind of total meltdown in the healthcare system or carries this much mortality...

Ten percent of the dead in Italy—and you're out here rambling about the flu...

Kyle Nelson2 said:They locked down their states. They shut down Lombardy, which has like 10 million people, but they did it everywhere else too.
Down here, they basically locked down every tiny little town... that's just a totally different situation.

Exactly...

The reason we shut everything down was so we wouldn't end up following their exact playbook...

I don't see what part of that is confusing.

And now you're telling me you're having issues with your cable signal and TV reception?

Trying to drag the IT sector into this whole mess while things are spiraling over there—well, that's just pure, unadulterated nonsense...

You folks living in the city have it easy because you can just hit up a Target or a Walmart and actually have options.
Try to get that people in tiny rural towns with maybe two corner stores to their name don't have a choice... they buy what's there and that's that. No complaining about prices or selection when you're just trying to grab whatever's on the shelf to survive.
Then there's the permits—if you even get one approved, it's for a three-hour window once a week, and half the time they reject you anyway because they claim those two local shops are "enough"... good luck surviving weeks on that limited crap and those insane markups.

Basically, houses are miles apart and nobody talks to each other, plus the population is tiny. In the city, you go where you want, shop where you want, and at least there are plenty of people and actual variety in the aisles.

David Rodriguez8 said:How long is the wait for a permit in Washington, D.C.?
I need to head out to see my parents (to drop off groceries, meds, etc.), and I also need to take my dad's car in for an inspection—does anyone know if they issue permits for stuff like that? Anyone have any insight? Thanks!

Just snap a photo of the registration, explain you need to get the car inspected, send it in... should be fine.

Adam Collins4 said:They’re even patrolling the maritime borders now, Charles Fox10... I was just talking to some folks over on Martha's Vineyard yesterday, and apparently, things are being "reorganized" down there right now.😬

The problem is, a group with similar ideas tried this before, and it didn't exactly go well...

And that's not all... someone mentioned earlier that those aren't thermal cameras or drones being used. On Martha's Vineyard, there are actually drones stationed right at the exits!

Adam Collins4 said:Look, there are some of us who spent three or four weeks at a time out in the Appalachians or near the Rockies back in the '90s—while snipers were popping off and grenades were flying all around us, much to the delight of the local kids...

And we did it without any connection to our families... because technology basically didn't exist, and I won't even get into the other reasons for that...

But you people? In this era of high-speed internet, smartphones, and endless apps, you think being alone for a little while is some kind of crisis...

If things actually got real—if you had to dodge the police or bust through blockades—you’d be running.

I agree, there's no point in this debate. You honestly have no clue what actual shit looks like—especially when your mother or your wife is waiting at home, praying you actually show up alive...

Or what it feels like every single time you say goodbye before heading to a post where you won't be back for weeks...

Or going back out into the field for the first time after being wounded, trying to deal with the chaos in your own head while watching your mother refuse to let go of your hands...

There are things you haven't experienced, and you should just thank whatever Bog you believe in that you didn't have to.

This is a minor issue that can—and must—be fixed...

Nobody said it would be easy, but the sheer amount of pathetic whining here is getting a bit much... especially considering everything modern technology provides.

My friend, you have put this together quite masterfully 👍👍👍
Personally, my own record was thirty-two days out in the Rockies just for the hell of it; meanwhile, my wife—well, she was my girlfriend at the time—took advantage of that window to go off and pass her Bar exam. What kind of communication are we talking about? Nothing! It was basically just, "Good luck, see you when I see you," if I even saw her again at all.

George Murphy12 said:You folks living in the city have it easy because you can just hit up a Target or a Walmart and actually have options.
Try to get that people in tiny rural towns with maybe two corner stores to their name don't have a choice... they buy what's there and that's that. No complaining about prices or selection when you're just trying to grab whatever's on the shelf to survive.
Then there's the permits—if you even get one approved, it's for a three-hour window once a week, and half the time they reject you anyway because they claim those two local shops are "enough"... good luck surviving weeks on that limited crap and those insane markups.

Basically, houses are miles apart and nobody talks to each other, plus the population is tiny. In the city, you go where you want, shop where you want, and at least there are plenty of people and actual variety in the aisles.

You aren't spending "way" more money; you're just spending more, which isn't the same thing...

I mean, what choice are you really looking for? Bread, dairy, meat, deli stuff, maybe some canned goods if that's your thing—you can find all of that anywhere.

I get your point, I really do, but now isn't exactly the time to be obsessing over whether something is a dollar or two cheaper somewhere else...

If we're going to play that game, you might as well factor in the cost of gas it takes to drive all the way into the city to hit those big retailers...

Adam Collins4 said:You aren't spending "way" more money; you're just spending more, which isn't the same thing...

I mean, what choice are you really looking for? Bread, dairy, meat, deli stuff, maybe some canned goods if that's your thing—you can find all of that anywhere.

I get your point, I really do, but now isn't exactly the time to be obsessing over whether something is a dollar or two cheaper somewhere else...

If we're going to play that game, you might as well factor in the cost of gas it takes to drive all the way into the city to hit those big retailers...

Yeah, exactly—meat, chicken, frozen stuff... they just don't have it. 😁

I don't obsess over every cent or every sale, and honestly, considering gas prices are $4.00 it's better to just head out and buy what you need. Between the small grocery list and the price of produce, the gas cost pays for itself pretty damn fast because you actually have options. You don't have to settle for whatever random crap is on the shelf just because it's there.
Bottom line: in a big city, you've got choices. In a tiny rural town? You don't. More people means a higher chance of catching something...

George Murphy12 said:You folks living in the city have it easy because you can just hit up a Target or a Walmart and actually have options.
Try to get that people in tiny rural towns with maybe two corner stores to their name don't have a choice... they buy what's there and that's that. No complaining about prices or selection when you're just trying to grab whatever's on the shelf to survive.
Then there's the permits—if you even get one approved, it's for a three-hour window once a week, and half the time they reject you anyway because they claim those two local shops are "enough"... good luck surviving weeks on that limited crap and those insane markups.

Basically, houses are miles apart and nobody talks to each other, plus the population is tiny. In the city, you go where you want, shop where you want, and at least there are plenty of people and actual variety in the aisles.

Look, the folks from Santa Barbara got permission to drive a few miles over to Matthews to shop—they've got a decent Sparrow, Tommy, and a smaller Walmart there, along with some local spots. They don't have a Walmart or a Target. What happened?
People from the other small towns lost their minds because they aren't allowed to do the same.

And those towns have a much worse selection than Santa Barbara.

These measures are absolute nonsense... just not normal.

How is it even legal to allow one municipality to do something while denying it to another??

And Santa Barbara isn't even that different from the rest.

So now, someone from Kastavac can't go to Matthews, yet Kastav and Santa Barbara are treated like they're in New York or Špičkovina when it comes to their shops.

George Murphy12 said:Yeah, exactly—meat, chicken, frozen stuff... they just don't have it. 😁

I don't obsess over every cent or every sale, and honestly, considering gas prices are $4.00 it's better to just head out and buy what you need. Between the small grocery list and the price of produce, the gas cost pays for itself pretty damn fast because you actually have options. You don't have to settle for whatever random crap is on the shelf just because it's there.
Bottom line: in a big city, you've got choices. In a tiny rural town? You don't. More people means a higher chance of catching something...

But then again, cities have those specific restrictions—limited crowds in the stores, those two-meter lines waiting outside the shops... pharmacies are the same way...

Just watch your step with everything...

What's the actual vibe in the stores? What are people saying? Even the big-box retailers don't seem to have much meat left... or take something like German dough, crepes, or breadcrumbs for example...

I don't know, personally, we buy our meat directly from people we trust who raise it out on a farm... none of this processed stuff from corporate centers or whatever...

If it were easy, it would be... but hey, that's just how things are these days...

Adam Collins4 said:Right, because clearly, Border Patrol agents only sit in their little booths at the checkpoint and completely ignore the rest of the entire border line...

Totally logical, isn't it?

Weren't you supposed to be in the Scouts or something? Why all this nonsense?😉

Tell you what, let's go for a little stroll out in the field together and place a bet on whether we actually run into someone who shouldn't be there.
😉
Or maybe you actually know exactly how much our border is covered and protected?

The Canadians have pulled most of their police away from the border with America to deal with things happening in Austria and Italy because of this epidemic. Since they left the border facing us totally wide open, they had to pass some law giving the military temporary extra powers just so they could send them out to our border.

I bet it’s the exact same story here; a huge chunk of the police have been moved elsewhere from the Canada border, so migrants are probably just wandering around freely right now. It’s just that those "democratic" news outlets got the memo to stay quiet about it. No news, no problem, right?

hollowtrucker77 said:Tell you what, let's go for a little stroll out in the field together and place a bet on whether we actually run into someone who shouldn't be there.
😉
Or maybe you actually know exactly how much our border is covered and protected?

Look, the chances of bumping into someone are always there...

But the whole "mass influx" thing isn't what it used to be...

And now the police actually have more time to comb through the rest of the border when nobody is showing up at the GP...

Jack Cook7 said:The Canadians have pulled most of their police away from the border with America to deal with things happening in Austria and Italy because of this epidemic. Since they left the border facing us totally wide open, they had to pass some law giving the military temporary extra powers just so they could send them out to our border.

I bet it’s the exact same story here; a huge chunk of the police have been moved elsewhere from the Canada border, so migrants are probably just wandering around freely right now. It’s just that those "democratic" news outlets got the memo to stay quiet about it. No news, no problem, right?

Where exactly was the police presence pulled from?

Can you give me an actual example?

And what's the reasoning behind it?

Shift schedules have been tweaked slightly because they're terrified of the virus getting into the system, so some people are basically on standby while on vacation... but there's absolutely no talk about pulling people off the border...