Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

I’m just dying to know which genius decided on a 14-day limit. And honestly, I can't believe we're actually sitting here debating movement passes. 😵

We didn't even deal with this stuff during the war.

Seriously, why wasn't anyone stopping me from heading to school when things were under general threat?

It’s a complete mess. I live on a street that falls under one township's jurisdiction, yet just a hundred yards from my front door, you hit the city limits—a full-blown city with all the shops, nice dining, government offices, a hospital, a pharmacy, the works. And despite the fact that my township is covered by that city's police department, I can't get anything done without a physical permit. To make matters worse, that e-Wallet system they promised isn't even functional yet.
By the way, does the Department of Justice actually issue citations, or do they just send you back on your way?

I honestly don't know about you guys, but I’m dying to know what gives our task force and those politicians in D.C. the confidence that they aren't just passing this thing around asymptomatic while hanging out together?
Everyone’s been running on fumes for over a month now—constant stress (which totally trashes your immune system)—plus all that constant mingling with people and reporters...

It’s wild. We’re the ones who actually need doctor appointments—which are basically impossible right now since labs are slammed—or oncology patients trying to figure out how to even get their treatments done. Or we have to jump through hoops just to see our own families, yet they can just wander around freely?

Look, I’m all for being responsible and looking out for the most vulnerable among us, but they’ve got us squeezed into such tiny little boxes. The rules don't apply equally to everyone, and once again, folks in the smaller towns are getting the short end of the stick.

casualskipper30 said:It’s a complete mess. I live on a street that falls under one township's jurisdiction, yet just a hundred yards from my front door, you hit the city limits—a full-blown city with all the shops, nice dining, government offices, a hospital, a pharmacy, the works. And despite the fact that my township is covered by that city's police department, I can't get anything done without a physical permit. To make matters worse, that e-Wallet system they promised isn't even functional yet.
By the way, does the Department of Justice actually issue citations, or do they just send you back on your way?

This is such a textbook example of how things work here. Instead of merging these units to streamline the public sector and cut down on waste, they just splinter everything into tiny little pieces so every local sheriff can have their own little slice of power.

The measure itself is halfway decent, but you can't apply it the same way everywhere. Like, if you're out in some deep woods in rural Montana where there isn't an infected soul within 31 miles miles, it doesn't matter. Even if there were, you wouldn't see a single soul on the road. But in NYC? You have no idea who’s carrying the virus, and you can wander wherever you want right through crowds of hundreds of people passing by every day.

If you don't have the e-Wallet, they just send you back.

hollowfox3 said:The mToken provides Level 3 security, which is enough to get you into plenty of government services—things like land registry records, certain Department of Justice portals, or even your e-Wallet...

If you want Level 4 security, you’ll need a physical certificate or the one embedded in a modern ID card (though you'll need a card reader for that), which opens up every single digital service available to Americans. So, honestly, you don't really need the high-end stuff just to use your e-Wallet.

From the video, looks like the e-pass is totally fine.
Plus, if you don't have that but you use mobile banking, you can just use the token.

People without any of that can just go through email.
And if they can't even do that, they'll have to go in person, but then they'll be stuck printing out those passes.

Expect things to be slow at first... everything's gonna bottleneck once every business and local municipality starts rolling this out...

But once people get the hang of it, it'll settle down...

Does anyone know if I’m actually allowed to move around within Washington, D.C. given the current situation? I live and work here in D.C., but my official residence isn't registered in the city. So, in this mess, can they actually fine me just for driving to the grocery store?
Also, on another note—I'm still sitting here waiting for those e-Wallets to actually start working. Honestly, am I the crazy one here? It feels like they haven't even started rolling them out yet, but man, they could at least put up a notice so people don't feel like they're losing their minds.

George Murphy12 said:From the video, looks like the e-pass is totally fine.
Plus, if you don't have that but you use mobile banking, you can just use the token.

People without any of that can just go through email.
And if they can't even do that, they'll have to go in person, but then they'll be stuck printing out those passes.

Expect things to be slow at first... everything's gonna bottleneck once every business and local municipality starts rolling this out...

But once people get the hang of it, it'll settle down...

And that’s honestly the saddest part of this whole mess.

Do yourself a favor and read this:

Does anyone happen to know if the police are currently processing change of address requests? And I mean an actual change of legal residence, not just a temporary mailing address. I see they're issuing ID cards for emergency reasons right now, but I guess I wonder if registering a new permanent residence falls under that same umbrella of "urgent" business?

George Murphy12 said:From the video, looks like the e-pass is totally fine.
Plus, if you don't have that but you use mobile banking, you can just use the token.

People without any of that can just go through email.
And if they can't even do that, they'll have to go in person, but then they'll be stuck printing out those passes.

Expect things to be slow at first... everything's gonna bottleneck once every business and local municipality starts rolling this out...

But once people get the hang of it, it'll settle down...

Personally, I’m hoping that once everyone gets used to the routine, they just scrap the whole thing.

Double

jadejackal7 said:Does anyone know if I’m actually allowed to move around within Washington, D.C. given the current situation? I live and work here in D.C., but my official residence isn't registered in the city. So, in this mess, can they actually fine me just for driving to the grocery store?
Also, on another note—I'm still sitting here waiting for those e-Wallets to actually start working. Honestly, am I the crazy one here? It feels like they haven't even started rolling them out yet, but man, they could at least put up a notice so people don't feel like they're losing their minds.

Don't sweat it as long as you stay inside the city limits. You can leave Washington, D.C., but only to head back to your legal residence... once you leave, there's no coming back without a pass.

It’s honestly pathetic how far we've fallen.

I actually have to beg some trashy app—which, by the way, still doesn't even work—for PERMISSION just to go to work and earn enough money to afford the privilege of paying taxes so this bureaucrat can stroke his ego:

Pathetic.

George Orwell looks like a softie compared to this mess.

The system keeps throwing errors every time I try to grab a permit from that infamous website😵

Even when I attempt to log in through the Emergency Management headquarters, it just spits out an error saying I'm not part of the staff... 😂

Looks like we'll have to go back to the old-fashioned way...

dustymarlin10 said:It’s honestly pathetic how far we've fallen.

I actually have to beg some trashy app—which, by the way, still doesn't even work—for PERMISSION just to go to work and earn enough money to afford the privilege of paying taxes so this bureaucrat can stroke his ego:

Pathetic.

George Orwell looks like a softie compared to this mess.

I don't get it—how are you even paying William Ribic? Are you a professor or a teacher? Like, are you actually carving money out of your own paycheck just to cover his union dues?

wiredtiger8 said:I don't get it—how are you even paying William Ribic? Are you a professor or a teacher? Like, are you actually carving money out of your own paycheck just to cover his union dues?

Look, I pay my dues.
I pay my taxes.
I pay basically every single extortion fee this country can dream up, whether I'm acting as a private citizen or running a tiny micro-business.
All that cash goes straight into the federal budget.
And guess who gets paid out of that budget? The people you just mentioned.
And their salaries? That's what pays Ribic.
So, yeah, whether I want to admit it or not, I’m essentially footing the bill for him, both directly and indirectly.

Money doesn't just grow on trees to fund government bureaucrats and public servants, you know...

dustymarlin10 said:Look, I pay my dues.
I pay my taxes.
I pay basically every single extortion fee this country can dream up, whether I'm acting as a private citizen or running a tiny micro-business.
All that cash goes straight into the federal budget.
And guess who gets paid out of that budget? The people you just mentioned.
And their salaries? That's what pays Ribic.
So, yeah, whether I want to admit it or not, I’m essentially footing the bill for him, both directly and indirectly.

Money doesn't just grow on trees to fund government bureaucrats and public servants, you know...

Oh, wow. So you're basically a captive Superman,

or some kind of mythical creature that keeps everything running.

In that case, I don't know why you're still hanging around this

backwater part of America when the rest of the European Union is wide open to you.

velvetstag5 said:Oh, wow. So you're basically a captive Superman,

or some kind of mythical creature that keeps everything running.

In that case, I don't know why you're still hanging around this

backwater part of America when the rest of the European Union is wide open to you.

I guess I'm just a masochist.

dustymarlin10 said:It’s honestly pathetic how far we've fallen.

I actually have to beg some trashy app—which, by the way, still doesn't even work—for PERMISSION just to go to work and earn enough money to afford the privilege of paying taxes so this bureaucrat can stroke his ego:

Pathetic.

George Orwell looks like a softie compared to this mess.

550 towns and municipalities! There's our problem right there. Once this is over, we need to urgently push for merging these local governments—because with these new permits, you can really see how absurd their existence is.
A municipality that consists of a single church, a school, a post office, and a corner store. Truly invaluable!
That's where the savings are! Cutting the salaries of THOSE bureaucrats... (and I don't mean doctors, cops, or teachers...)

dustymarlin10 said:Look, I pay my dues.
I pay my taxes.
I pay basically every single extortion fee this country can dream up, whether I'm acting as a private citizen or running a tiny micro-business.
All that cash goes straight into the federal budget.
And guess who gets paid out of that budget? The people you just mentioned.
And their salaries? That's what pays Ribic.
So, yeah, whether I want to admit it or not, I’m essentially footing the bill for him, both directly and indirectly.

Money doesn't just grow on trees to fund government bureaucrats and public servants, you know...

None of the stuff you just listed actually funds William Ribic... and I specifically mentioned him alone—not the whole group like you're implying when you say "those people"—because that's exactly who you were pointing at in that link you shared.

Which means you AREN'T paying William Ribic, because as a union leader, he "funds" himself through the membership dues of his own union—which, in this specific case, is the higher education union.

dustymarlin10 said:It seems like you aren't catching on at all.

Let me try explaining this one more time:

Where does the money for university staff salaries come from?
Did it just sprout out of nowhere in a Botanical Garden?

Clearly, you just don't get it.

William gets his funding from union dues, and joining is entirely voluntary.

And he made a good point—should we be using taxpayer money to bail out capitalists?

When things are going great, the capitalists rake it in. But the second they hit a snag, they want a government handout. Why doesn't the state help the workers instead? Why is the minimum wage $1083?

Because that’s exactly what suits the capitalists.

It's simple: divide the working class, and you can rule them...