Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Adam Collins4 said:Sure, you have the instructions—the real issue is that what they’re telling you to do actually isn't possible on the site itself...😬

When you click the "digital pass" link, it’s supposed to toss you straight onto a login page for the passes... if that makes sense...

But instead, that link just dumps you onto some promotional landing page full of videos... there isn't even a "login" option anywhere, despite what they show in the video...

And when I go directly to the eCitizen site and log in, there isn't a single shortcut to actually get to the pass section...

Instead of having a pop-up window jump out at you and take over your entire laptop screen...

Or maybe I'm just being an idiot...

You aren't. They likely designed it that way on purpose, just to give people something to fiddle with while they sit at home doing nothing at all.😁

It’s not working for me either.

coastalwalker9 said:You aren't. They likely designed it that way on purpose, just to give people something to fiddle with while they sit at home doing nothing at all.😁

It’s not exactly funny though... I just got my e-Wallet from my boss and now it’s basically garbage.

I’m honestly just wondering—does anyone actually have their e-Wallet set up and active?

coastalwalker9 said:In my estimation, an employer would provide you with a pass for work purposes; I assume it would need to include personal details, along with the firm's address and the employee's info.
For other circumstances, such as my own situation regarding caring for an elderly relative, the pass is issued by the local FEMA branch based on your municipality of residence.

That’s how it worked until now. But this new pass has to have a QR code and looks totally different. They haven't explained how employers are actually supposed to issue them. 🤷

Adam Collins4 said:I’m honestly just wondering—does anyone actually have their e-Wallet set up and active?

They say it's about 846,000.

Check your local city or municipal website.

In my neck of the woods (Cleveland), the application for an automatic pass is right there on the city's site. I’ve tried it myself—it works.

Drew Hughes10 said:Check your local city or municipal website.

In my neck of the woods (Cleveland), the application for an automatic pass is right there on the city's site. I’ve tried it myself—it works.

Honestly, this is an absolute joke, even by American standards.🤦

Drew Hughes10 said:Check your local city or municipal website.

In my neck of the woods (Cleveland), the application for an automatic pass is right there on the city's site. I’ve tried it myself—it works.

That’s NOT an e-Wallet—I just spent some time poking around the Cleveland city pages...

It's just their own internal form, and from what I can see, the concept is perfectly fine... and more importantly, it actually functions—unlike the geniuses running the Government...

Mark Alvarez said:It’s just not working. 😵. Maybe it'll be back up by tomorrow morning.

Maybe you just need to disable your pop-up blocker for that site?

Grace Edwards said:I could spin this loop for months.
And if they ever decide to test everyone in America, those old cases will just resurface, giving Joe another reason to act. Even if there wasn't a single case of COVID left in the entire US, the Republican Party would find a way to stretch their reach and fake every single flu test to look like a COVID positive.
It’s a perfect mechanism to justify a long-term dictatorship.

Well, it wouldn't be "years" since we aren't actually *that* many people, but it's looking pretty certain that nothing is loosening up before June.

Back when they needed to test more frequently, they were out there pulling random people aside from their cars just to find enough infected folks to isolate early—now, that whole thing has spread way further than anyone knows. I’m honestly curious if, after all this, they’re actually going to test everyone to see how many people developed antibodies, you know, like how they announced they would in the UK.

Adam Collins4 said:I’m honestly just wondering—does anyone actually have their e-Wallet set up and active?

Never used it myself, and I'd say most people in the 20-35 bracket are pretty connected to it, maybe a few percent in the 45-55 range too. Everyone else probably hasn't even heard of the thing yet.

quietfox38 said:That’s how it worked until now. But this new pass has to have a QR code and looks totally different. They haven't explained how employers are actually supposed to issue them. 🤷

No, no, wasn't it said that the employer just has to register workers in that system using their SSN or whatever, and then the boss still issues their own regular passes? Besides, I doubt even the ones with QR codes will work because the police won't have a way to scan them, so they'll probably just check IDs? At least that was what was being said before, I wonder if they've figured it out by now... 🤷

Yes, I see it now. This one works—MM submitted the request and the e-Wallet hit my inbox within seconds. Hopefully, the process for the suburbs will be just as smooth.

Lisa Jackson7 said:It’s not exactly funny though... I just got my e-Wallet from my boss and now it’s basically garbage.

A few days ago, I was also issued an e-Wallet so I could bring food and medicine to my father, and now I'm stuck having to apply for a new one.
I’m not overly worried about the bureaucracy, even if I have to request a new permit every single time I leave; as long as I eventually get it, it's fine. It would be devastating if I couldn't reach him. Besides, he lives practically across the street from me—it isn't like there's any 3.1 miles preventing me from getting there.

As for employers, don't worry; they aren't sitting around waiting. They'll issue the passes just as quickly as before.

quietfox38 said:That’s how it worked until now. But this new pass has to have a QR code and looks totally different. They haven't explained how employers are actually supposed to issue them. 🤷

The documentation suggests you can print them if they arrive via email, alternatively you can use your phone, or go fully digital.
It's likely they'll be issued within about 14 days at most; things are shifting by the hour, so I imagine they're just adjusting their rollout to match the current situation.

fadedranger162 said:Well, it wouldn't be "years" since we aren't actually *that* many people, but it's looking pretty certain that nothing is loosening up before June.

Back when they needed to test more frequently, they were out there pulling random people aside from their cars just to find enough infected folks to isolate early—now, that whole thing has spread way further than anyone knows. I’m honestly curious if, after all this, they’re actually going to test everyone to see how many people developed antibodies, you know, like how they announced they would in the UK.

Never used it myself, and I'd say most people in the 20-35 bracket are pretty connected to it, maybe a few percent in the 45-55 range too. Everyone else probably hasn't even heard of the thing yet.

No, no, wasn't it said that the employer just has to register workers in that system using their SSN or whatever, and then the boss still issues their own regular passes? Besides, I doubt even the ones with QR codes will work because the police won't have a way to scan them, so they'll probably just check IDs? At least that was what was being said before, I wonder if they've figured it out by now... 🤷

coastalwalker9 said:The documentation suggests you can print them if they arrive via email, alternatively you can use your phone, or go fully digital.
It's likely they'll be issued within about 14 days at most; things are shifting by the hour, so I imagine they're just adjusting their rollout to match the current situation.

See? Everyone interprets this differently. They didn't explain it clearly enough.

Just repeating what Božinović said once more.

"Starting today, they are being issued through the e-Wallet system, and permits will be issued by the responsible legal entities, family doctors, and FEMA, for terms of 1 to 14 days depending on why they're being issued. If an issuer can't handle it, FEMA will step in.

http://hr.n1info.com/Vijesti/a496585...-do-novih.html

And this YouTube clip explains how a citizen can request a permit on August 1st.


I'm still not sure—is the employer making the passes for the staff, or does the employee have to request it themselves? It's all pretty vague. 🤷

Hopefully they’ll actually get their act together and explain this whole mess better by Monday. As far as I can tell, nothing really changes for employers—they’re still the ones issuing stuff for their staff. The only real tweak is they’ll have to register everyone in the system properly so companies aren't just handing out passes to whoever walks through the door.

hollowmason64 said:You're right, that's on me. I slipped up by getting the residency details wrong. The whole conversation really kicked off because of that one girl who hadn't updated her address in five years—she was just waiting until after the wedding to make it official.

Did I say that was a ruling from the Supreme Court? No, I didn't. But I’ve been digging through all the info on this, reading up on everything related to the situation, and honestly, from what I can see, there just isn't any legal basis whatsoever for what's happening right now.

You're claiming that restricting movement is unconstitutional, and you're leaning on Judge Abramović's opinion to back it up. Honestly, that doesn't really prove your point.
It’s just like when you claim you’ve read "everything on the subject." You really haven't. If you had actually sat down and looked through the Communicable Disease Act—which I’m pretty certain you didn't even know existed, much like most people out there—you would have realized that restricting movement is one of the security measures explicitly permitted under the law.
Look, just because a few of you have actually picked up the Constitution and skimmed through a couple of articles doesn't mean that movement restrictions during an epidemic are unconstitutional.

That’s a pretty solid point. You’re living in Washington, D.C., and honestly, you probably don't have a clue what life is actually like for people out in those small towns somewhere in the Midwest—places you couldn't even find on a map if you tried.

So, maybe it's time to bring things back down to earth for a second.

Everything has its pros and cons. Somewhere far away, there wasn't an earthquake either. So, what now?

I heard that some days, people traveling from Canada were actually sending guys back who had already started their trek toward Germany.

They actually started tidying all that up last year—basically sorting out who lives where and making sure everyone is registered for their health insurance correctly.

The Dunning-Kruger effect is hitting you hard. Honestly, don't even bother, you'll just embarrass yourself again, just like you did with your residency status.

Of course I've read it. Of course I know. Here's a general take on the coronavirus: a few days ago, I was saying exactly what that judge said.

If you had actually read the Communicable Disease Act—which I'm pretty sure you didn't even know existed, much like most people—you'd realize that the security measures allowed by law include restricting movement.

Well, you're being incredibly arrogant by guessing, so let me disappoint you: I know that law inside and out.

So, just because a handful of you know the Constitution exists and have skimmed three articles, it doesn't mean movement restrictions during an epidemic are unconstitutional.

🙏

The arrogance is unreal. You don't know a single thing about me, so keep your comments to yourself.

I know the Constitution and the laws better than you do—that's a guarantee—because I've seen the mountain of nonsense you've posted on this forum. I just never felt like getting into pointless debates because people like you aren't worth the effort.

Everything has its pros and cons. There wasn't an earthquake way out there. So what?

And what about the earthquake? Are you suddenly handicapped now? All I feel sorry for is that little girl who died. As for the rest of you using an earthquake as an excuse for everything, I won't even dignify it with a comment. You're just that loud minority with that typical NYC attitude. Luckily, there aren't many of you.

fadedranger162 said:Hopefully they’ll actually get their act together and explain this whole mess better by Monday. As far as I can tell, nothing really changes for employers—they’re still the ones issuing stuff for their staff. The only real tweak is they’ll have to register everyone in the system properly so companies aren't just handing out passes to whoever walks through the door.

They better hurry up. By Monday, the old passes won't mean anything, so you need the new ones by then. I don't want to get turned away at a checkpoint because my pass is missing a QR code. Plus, I'm still carrying an old ID without a Social Security number.😛

Adam Collins4 said:I’m honestly just wondering—does anyone actually have their e-Wallet set up and active?

That’s actually the least of our worries. Once the system is finally functional, you won't just be relying on a digital ID; you'll be able to link it with physical or mobile security tokens from most—maybe even all—of the major American banks.

The real headache is the part where I said "when it actually works." 😬

The mToken provides Level 3 security, which is enough to get you into plenty of government services—things like land registry records, certain Department of Justice portals, or even your e-Wallet...

If you want Level 4 security, you’ll need a physical certificate or the one embedded in a modern ID card (though you'll need a card reader for that), which opens up every single digital service available to Americans. So, honestly, you don't really need the high-end stuff just to use your e-Wallet.