Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

How long do you think these permit requirements will stick around? Maybe five or six months, or perhaps longer?

Justin Phillips15 said:How long do you think these permit requirements will stick around? Maybe five or six months, or perhaps longer?

Look, if they’re handing them out, just take them. No need to go poking the bear with the authorities. 🙄

Cheers

My girlfriend lives in a neighboring state, so I'm really hoping they get these roads cleared as soon as possible.

I’m in the exact same boat as you, looking to get from my place out to the suburbs, while also hunting for a new job at the same time.

From what I’ve been reading, towns like suburban Chicago and Naperville won't need those travel permits to move between them anymore. They managed to push it through, starting tomorrow.

Jerry Robinson56 said:https://www.nytimes.com/article/...example_tid=5674

With 1,160 infections and one fatality reported nationwide, the consensus remains clear: they didn't just flatten the curve; they absolutely crushed it.

Yesterday, the Washington Post ran a feature titled, "New Zealand didn't just flatten the curve. They crushed it." Their reporter, Anna Fifield—who hails from New Zealand but has spent the last two decades living abroad—noted that it took a mere ten days to prove that the New Zealand strategy of immediate quarantine was undeniably effective.

While this approach shows promise, its success depends entirely on sustained discipline. One might eventually grasp why restricting movement is an absolute necessity, given how little we truly understand about the broader complexities of this situation.
Furthermore, one cannot ignore the role that population density and physical proximity play in these dynamics.

Yeah, makes sense. We've got a similar vibe here, say, in Chicago,🙂 because in this context, Chicago and New Zealand basically function the same way...
The rest of the country isn't even in the same ballpark.

I mean, if you let everyone in downtown Chicago wander around wherever they want—which is about a quarter of the population—what do you actually achieve? You end up with a massive, shared quarantine for a million people.🤦

On top of that, you've got another 600,000 people with passes wandering everywhere, including heading into the city to mingle with that first million... so, same problem all over again.

And meanwhile, you're literally driving the other 2.4 million people insane by not letting them walk to a grocery store just 700 meters from their own front door...

hollowtrucker77 said:And what, are we just going to be under lockdown forever now?
😵

Let’s not lose our heads here, blue friend.

It is only the disobedient, sir—only them.🙂 The entire point is to demonstrate proven efficacy. And looking at the situation, one sees there is very little to show for it, regardless. Discipline remains the paramount necessity; more importantly, people ought to act with a modicum of humanity and cease their relentless self-interest.

hollowtrucker77 said:Honestly, let's just pass a federal law banning sneezing, coughing, and coughing fits altogether, complete with a minimum fine of at least 10 bucks per offense. $0.00
et voila - problem solved.

Then go ahead and ban him too, partially😁 without cause, 🕺 just because.

stormybadger8 said:Yeah, makes sense. We've got a similar vibe here, say, in Chicago,🙂 because in this context, Chicago and New Zealand basically function the same way...
The rest of the country isn't even in the same ballpark.

I mean, if you let everyone in downtown Chicago wander around wherever they want—which is about a quarter of the population—what do you actually achieve? You end up with a massive, shared quarantine for a million people.🤦

On top of that, you've got another 600,000 people with passes wandering everywhere, including heading into the city to mingle with that first million... so, same problem all over again.

And meanwhile, you're literally driving the other 2.4 million people insane by not letting them walk to a grocery store just 700 meters from their own front door...

You’re acting like a monarch... I wasn't clear enough. If you sit down and write out the actual reasons why these movement restrictions bother you, you will realize the issue lies solely with yourself. However, the problem isn't you, or your personal health, but rather the health of others. It is obvious that one cannot lock everything down indefinitely, so they had to devise a way forward on short notice. Though, frankly, they could have handled all of this last year...

Recall how viruses "pass"... there is simply no alternative; this is the most efficient method. As for myself, I move through NYC quite normally. Just yesterday at a gas station, there were four of us within a few feet of each other, including some guys grabbing beers, and it was fine. Every shop or boutique operates normally; you stand in line and there is no fuss.
Call the local precinct and tell them what the problem is, or submit a suggestion to the task force. Feedback is the most vital component here, because these measures are applied generally.

There are no vehicles on the Hamptons roads😁 and once a week from Connecticut.

Another big-city type from NYC. Clearly doesn't grasp why folks in the small towns are actually venting.

Because he can stroll through Manhattan without a second thought. But that’s exactly the point we're making!

electricbadger89 said:Another big-city type from NYC. Clearly doesn't grasp why folks in the small towns are actually venting.

Because he can stroll through Manhattan without a second thought. But that’s exactly the point we're making!

Since both of them are locals here in the city, naturally I understand their perspective, but those of you living in smaller communities need to realize that you have to contact the proper authorities and explicitly state exactly what the issue is. You ought to force your "elected officials" to adapt to your needs. It is far too easy to simply blame geography or borders for your limitations. You have representatives in office. Shake them up... stop merely complaining and patting them on the back just because they align with certain party lines. The Republican Party created this systemic mess a long time ago.

Jerry Robinson56 said:You’re acting like a monarch... I wasn't clear enough. If you sit down and write out the actual reasons why these movement restrictions bother you, you will realize the issue lies solely with yourself. However, the problem isn't you, or your personal health, but rather the health of others. It is obvious that one cannot lock everything down indefinitely, so they had to devise a way forward on short notice. Though, frankly, they could have handled all of this last year...

Recall how viruses "pass"... there is simply no alternative; this is the most efficient method. As for myself, I move through NYC quite normally. Just yesterday at a gas station, there were four of us within a few feet of each other, including some guys grabbing beers, and it was fine. Every shop or boutique operates normally; you stand in line and there is no fuss.
Call the local precinct and tell them what the problem is, or submit a suggestion to the task force. Feedback is the most vital component here, because these measures are applied generally.

There are no vehicles on the Hamptons roads😁 and once a week from Connecticut.

But then again, one person can drive from one side of Chicago to the other without any health risk, while someone else can't even make it to the local fish market 1.9 miles without it being considered life-threatening. I don't know... the logic doesn't quite track for me.🕺

Jerry Robinson56 said:Since both of them are locals here in the city, naturally I understand their perspective, but those of you living in smaller communities need to realize that you have to contact the proper authorities and explicitly state exactly what the issue is. You ought to force your "elected officials" to adapt to your needs. It is far too easy to simply blame geography or borders for your limitations. You have representatives in office. Shake them up... stop merely complaining and patting them on the back just because they align with certain party lines. The Republican Party created this systemic mess a long time ago.

Don't worry, we're nodding along just fine. And as for picking them? I certainly didn't, and I won't.

Tyler Vaughn7 As specified by:
It is quite telling, really. You have one individual who can traverse the entirety of a major metropolis like New York City without a second thought, facing absolutely zero health risks, while another person finds themselves physically incapable of making the trek to the local fish market. It highlights a rather stark disparity in our physical realities. 1.9 miles Moving further away from one's residence because it is supposedly "dangerously risky." I find that particular line of reasoning to be fundamentally flawed.🕺

The sphere of operation is of paramount importance. One must recognize that any area of influence is inevitably defined by municipal boundaries—or some other administrative demarcation. The solution is actually quite straightforward. If these local municipalities would simply reach an agreement among themselves, the entire problem would be resolved.

Jerry Robinson56 said:

Tyler Vaughn7 As specified by:
It is quite telling, really. You have one individual who can traverse the entirety of a major metropolis like New York City without a second thought, facing absolutely zero health risks, while another person finds themselves physically incapable of making the trek to the local fish market. It highlights a rather stark disparity in our physical realities. 1.9 miles Moving further away from one's residence because it is supposedly "dangerously risky." I find that particular line of reasoning to be fundamentally flawed.🕺

The sphere of operation is of paramount importance. One must recognize that any area of influence is inevitably defined by municipal boundaries—or some other administrative demarcation. The solution is actually quite straightforward. If these local municipalities would simply reach an agreement among themselves, the entire problem would be resolved.

Sure, I suppose. But that’s basically what happens when you lock everyone down to specific neighborhoods in major cities across the entire country. Or do you actually think viruses care about local city limits?

Tyler Vaughn7 said:Sure, I suppose. But that’s basically what happens when you lock everyone down to specific neighborhoods in major cities across the entire country. Or do you actually think viruses care about local city limits?

Well, they have to establish some kind of jurisdiction for enforcement, don't they?
By delegating to smaller organizational units. Do you actually have a proposal that’s any simpler than this?
They could just set up concentration camps in every state for anyone they deem suspicious and then ignore borders entirely.
City neighborhoods aren't the issue here. They are specifically organized to facilitate medical care based on localized agreements.
The real complication is that you don't necessarily need to show symptoms... It follows logically that they would choose the simplest possible jurisdictional framework.

electricbadger89 said:Don't worry, we're nodding along just fine. And as for picking them? I certainly didn't, and I won't.

🙂 I haven't either, yet here we are... the issue persists regardless of viruses or earthquakes.🕺
If they refuse to respond, then you just keep calling. You have to take action; unfortunately, that is the only way to get anything done.
The sheer incompetence displayed by those we've "elected" is nothing short of spectacular. One only needs to look at their caliber... take, for instance, that official out of Chicago who’s supposed to be working, or our own local rascal—that hoarse little liar who relies on his kid to whisper exactly which pathological lies he should recite next.

Jesse Hughes6 said:And so what? We have a lifeless clump of protein and RNA—otherwise known as a virus—settling on a surface and staying there. Who knows. Where exactly is it supposed to go or how is it even meant to vanish?
The real question is how infectious that virus actually is and for how long. And we simply don't know.
The WHO claims transmission happens via droplets, not through aerosolized particles floating in the air or jumping from person to person. So, if you've touched a "contaminated" surface, just don't touch your face and wash your hands.

We’re doing just fine entertaining ourselves, reading, and playing. We even have a Facebook group for our local preschool where they post all sorts of educational activities.
But obviously, that's all happening inside the house—though luckily we have a patio so he can get some fresh air and run around—and it doesn't come close to playing with peers all day long. He misses his friends, and a kid can't wrap his head around why he isn't allowed outside. Why he can't ride his bike, play with his buddies, go to the beach to throw rocks in the ocean, or just hike in nature. He doesn't understand any of it, and THAT is what makes it hard. It's not difficult because I'm struggling to be home with him. The sheer amount of energy built up during the day is massive with nowhere to burn it off; the kid is frustrated and his moods are constantly shifting. And I'm talking about a relatively mellow child, so I don't even want to imagine what it would be like if he were one of those high-energy types.

Mine is definitely high-energy. Yesterday, he tore a strip off a blanket, tied it to a chair and a cabinet handle, and spent an hour using it as a jump rope. 🤷

Kids are bursting at the seams. It's the truth.

jadetinker85 said:Mine is definitely high-energy. Yesterday, he tore a strip off a blanket, tied it to a chair and a cabinet handle, and spent an hour using it as a jump rope. 🤷

Kids are bursting at the seams. It's the truth.

You're exaggerating. You simply need to start engaging with them...

Has someone actually gone and banned kids from just being outdoors—you know, riding their bikes, taking walks through the woods, or even just tossing pebbles into the ocean?

I’ll say it for the third time, since apparently, I need to be incredibly clear: Secretary Beroš personally claimed that cycling is nothing more than mobile self-isolation.

Jerry Robinson56 said:You're exaggerating. You simply need to start engaging with them...

Do you have any idea how much pressure an elementary school kid carries these days? An hour of TV, homework for four or five different subjects in the morning, more homework in the afternoon—and if they’re enrolled in after-school tutoring or music lessons, you can add that to the pile.

Honestly, people in this country don't seem to get what kids go through. Even high schoolers are stuck in classes from 7 AM to 3 PM without a real lunch break, and it only gets worse because you've got fifteen different teachers all assuming their specific assignment needs to be finished by tomorrow morning.