Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Honestly, I think this whole thing with public transit is just plain silly. I mean, if you’re just going to let people get packed in like sardines on buses and subways, what’s really the difference compared to being squeezed together in crowded cafes, restaurants...
or even at the local shopping malls?

Charles Carter4 said:Honestly, I think this whole thing with public transit is just plain silly. I mean, if you’re just going to let people get packed in like sardines on buses and subways, what’s really the difference compared to being squeezed together in crowded cafes, restaurants...
or even at the local shopping malls?

Look, it doesn't have to be an "all or nothing" situation where you just let things get overcrowded. You can simply cap the number of passengers allowed on a vehicle at one time.

It’s the exact same logic we use for capacity limits in retail stores here in the States.

So, does that mean they can just pull the same stunt with local coffee shops and restaurants too?
It’d be a total mess if they actually went through with it, honestly.

Charles Carter4 said:So, does that mean they can just pull the same stunt with local coffee shops and restaurants too?
It’d be a total mess if they actually went through with it, honestly.

Exactly! Though, if you ask me, I’d really drive home the importance of ventilation. I’d even go as far as making it mandatory for places to use ionizers or high-end air purifiers equipped with UV filters.

Great, then I can just take the subway to the other option. Driving my own car is definitely out of the question.

Tyler Vaughn7 said:So, I'm reading Capak right now, and he's claiming one of the first things they'll ease up on is public transit. Seriously, could someone please explain to me how there's somehow less of a risk of getting infected on a bus than if you just drove from Petrijevac to Josipovac—two neighboring towns—without a permit?🤔

And hey, does that mean I can drive from Josipovac to that local grocery store sitting right on the edge of Petrijevac, even though it's way closer to my place in Josipovac than it is to Petrijevac, without needing a pass?

Edward Fisher86 said:Great, then I can just take the subway to the other option. Driving my own car is definitely out of the question.

I'm curious, how did you end up thinking that way?

Personally, if someone actually has the option to drive, I’d tell them to just take their own car every single time.

Sam Green73 said:Look, it doesn't have to be an "all or nothing" situation where you just let things get overcrowded. You can simply cap the number of passengers allowed on a vehicle at one time.

It’s the exact same logic we use for capacity limits in retail stores here in the States.

There are really only two ways to play this:
1. Adding more vehicles—but honestly, that’s a pipe dream because we don't have the fleet, and we definitely don't have the drivers available.
2. Limiting passenger counts—which also feels totally unfair. Why would anyone deal with the headache of driving their own car, paying for gas, and hunting for parking when everyone else gets a free or dirt-cheap ride?

So, yeah, it's just not realistic or doable. I have no clue why Mayo Clinic even thought that was a good move before they lifted the travel bans, especially since those bans were barely being enforced anyway (and they couldn't be better enforced if we wanted them to, since we're spread too thin and shouldn't be wasting our field teams on that). They need to scrap that nonsense measure and get those crews back to checking on people in quarantine or those who actually tested positive. Once word gets out that some neighbor or local buddy caught the virus because they skipped their isolation, then people will actually start following the rules.

bluejackal2 said:And hey, does that mean I can drive from Josipovac to that local grocery store sitting right on the edge of Petrijevac, even though it's way closer to my place in Josipovac than it is to Petrijevac, without needing a pass?

Give it a shot.😉

I guess I should probably mention that Fitz was involved in this too. Maybe it's worth noting. Or maybe not. It’s hard to say for sure. Tyler Vaughn7 says:
There are two ways you could go about this:
The whole idea of increasing the number of vehicles just doesn't hold water. It's not realistic. There aren't enough cars on the road to begin with, and honestly, there aren't even enough people to drive them.
The whole idea of reducing the number of passengers just doesn't seem realistic to me. I mean, why would anyone bother wasting money on gas, dealing with the headache of finding a spot, and paying those ridiculous parking fees when they could just hop on a bus or a train for basically nothing? It just doesn't add up.

Look, let's be honest here—it’s just not realistic, and frankly, it's not even remotely achievable. I honestly don't get why Capak came up with that specific measure right before they lifted the travel ban, especially since the whole restriction was barely being enforced in the first place. It’s probably for the best, honestly. We don't have the manpower to waste on this, and it feels like a total drain on resources to keep burning through personnel for nothing. They should just scrap this senseless measure entirely and shift those officers over to actually monitoring people who are stuck in isolation or already testing positive. Once word gets out that someone’s neighbor or an acquaintance from town got absolutely wrecked because they decided to break quarantine, people will finally start playing by the rules. If enforcement is frequent and visible, people won't move an inch.

It seems to me like they’re looking at the whole situation primarily through a Chicago lens, while everyone else is just treated like an afterthought.

Tyler Vaughn7 said:Give it a shot.😉

Are you really planning on footing the bill if he ends up getting slapped with a massive fine?

Sam Green73 said:I'm curious, how did you end up thinking that way?

Personally, if someone actually has the option to drive, I’d tell them to just take their own car every single time.

Pure sarcasm there. I can't exactly make the trip on my own, but I could certainly manage if there were a dozen or so of them heading toward the grocery store.🙄

The supplementary decision has finally been released, which means the ball is officially in the court of our local municipal governments to actually step up and take action on this matter... though, if you ask me, the sheer bureaucratic paralysis within the administration is staggering; they haven't even been able to get a single document signed for a week now!

Sam Green73 said:Are you really planning on footing the bill if he ends up getting slapped with a massive fine?

You really don't have a filter, do you?
I seriously doubt bluejackal2 actually knows whether he can pull off that Ravlic discount or not...🕺

So, they basically made this call last week to "legalize" merging the headquarters, because honestly, before this, those command centers could just team up whenever they felt like it as long as "residency" was clearly defined. But now? They’ve gone ahead and tweaked the rules just to fit their own agenda, and suddenly everything is "totally fine."

Public transit is a necessity for some people. A coffee shop isn't.

The whole argument that "if they let public transit run, they should open cafes too" just doesn't hold any water, in my opinion.

Tyler Vaughn7 said:You really don't have a filter, do you?
I seriously doubt bluejackal2 actually knows whether he can pull off that Ravlic discount or not...🕺

Honestly, I just don't have the energy to mess around anymore.

That long weekend really wiped me out.

Sam Green73 said:Look, it doesn't have to be an "all or nothing" situation where you just let things get overcrowded. You can simply cap the number of passengers allowed on a vehicle at one time.

It’s the exact same logic we use for capacity limits in retail stores here in the States.

Seriously though, would you actually want to be the one driving a bus or footing the bill for transit operations if you're only hauling ten people at a time?
What about a light rail car carrying thirty?
Come on, people, use some common sense here...

Tyler Vaughn7 said:Give it a shot.😉

Edward Fisher86 was actually featured in The Chicago Tribune during all that COVID madness, so I’m honestly a little nervous about this one🤔

Nicholas King said:Public transit is a necessity for some people. A coffee shop isn't.

The whole argument that "if they let public transit run, they should open cafes too" just doesn't hold any water, in my opinion.

a cafe actually has better sanitation protocols
😁
anyway, if you're cramming people into a subway car or a city bus, you could just as easily let them sit out on a patio; it’s not like you've gone out of your way to either protect anyone or cause any extra harm by doing that.