Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

hollowtrucker77 said:Seriously though, would you actually want to be the one driving a bus or footing the bill for transit operations if you're only hauling ten people at a time?
What about a light rail car carrying thirty?
Come on, people, use some common sense here...

The Mayor of New York City just can't seem to wrap his head around the idea of shutting down the subway system.

bluejackal2 said:Edward Fisher86 was actually featured in The Chicago Tribune during all that COVID madness, so I’m honestly a little nervous about this one🤔

Look, he isn't exactly a butcher. He wouldn't know a pig if it hit him, unless it showed up as a line item on a spreadsheet...

Tyler Vaughn7 said:Look, he isn't exactly a butcher. He wouldn't know a pig if it hit him, unless it showed up as a line item on a spreadsheet...

I mean, what do I know? You can never really tell who's actually running with whom in those circles.

Sam Green73 said:The Mayor of New York City just can't seem to wrap his head around the idea of shutting down the subway system.

So what's the big deal?

Tyler Vaughn7 said:Look, he isn't exactly a butcher. He wouldn't know a pig if it hit him, unless it showed up as a line item on a spreadsheet...

Regardless, they managed to infect quite a few people, which happens in any big corporation. Most of the stats we see for our state are tied directly back to them.

Tyler Vaughn7 said:If the number of people doesn't matter, then what's the point of staying home? What's the point of banning gatherings? Are you trying to suggest that because a city needs public transit to function, we should all just act perfectly civilized on the go while the rest of us rural folks stay stuck at home? Is that it? Just so we can demonstrate how all these mandates can be carried out?🤦

It is because you have no way of knowing who is actually infected or acting as a carrier.
Your logic simply fails to hold water; outbreaks happen in major cities just as easily as anywhere else.
Essentially, one is forced to wait for a period of time until symptoms actually manifest...

Nicholas King said:Public transit is a necessity for some people. A coffee shop isn't.

The whole argument that "if they let public transit run, they should open cafes too" just doesn't hold any water, in my opinion.

Honestly, I think you're way more likely to catch something on a packed, stuffy city bus than you are sitting out on a cafe patio. If they decide to reopen shops, they could always just stick to outdoor seating only—no indoor service allowed.

Jerry Robinson56 said:It is because you have no way of knowing who is actually infected or acting as a carrier.
Your logic simply fails to hold water; outbreaks happen in major cities just as easily as anywhere else.
Essentially, one is forced to wait for a period of time until symptoms actually manifest...

And how exactly is easing restrictions on public transit supposed to help the situation?
If they didn't go as far as locking down Washington, D.C. residents by neighborhood or requiring permits just to move from one block to the next, why is everyone acting so shocked that people are hanging out at Mount Rainier, Central Park, or Golden Gate Park?

Regarding Ravlic—honestly, you hear things when you're riding the subway—people are saying they didn't actually catch the infection quite the way the official story claims 😁

Tyler Vaughn7 said:And how exactly is easing restrictions on public transit supposed to help the situation?
If they didn't go as far as locking down Washington, D.C. residents by neighborhood or requiring permits just to move from one block to the next, why is everyone acting so shocked that people are hanging out at Mount Rainier, Central Park, or Golden Gate Park?

It is an inevitable potential evil paired with surveillance. Not everyone owns a car. Life must proceed... and there are psychological factors to consider... as well as pedagogical ones.
The consensus remains that the downside is smaller than the economic stimulus provided by "traffic." If we aren't seeing new viral carriers or if they remain under control, returning to normalcy isn't the issue.

Tyler Vaughn7 said:And how exactly is easing restrictions on public transit supposed to help the situation?
If they didn't go as far as locking down Washington, D.C. residents by neighborhood or requiring permits just to move from one block to the next, why is everyone acting so shocked that people are hanging out at Mount Rainier, Central Park, or Golden Gate Park?

Walking around or riding a bike isn't the issue, nor is grabbing a drink at a gas station with friends, provided you maintain social distancing. The same applies to retail stores where they monitor capacity... though many remain shuttered.
Some have adapted and can work from home, much like the rest of my family—whether it's school or employment. Private employers could have implemented remote options as well...
In short, one simply follows basic rules. You must account for the fact that some apartment buildings house more residents than both of those locations you mentioned for comparison.
Furthermore, one cannot ignore the lingering consequences of the earthquake.
It is quite peculiar that you are suggesting a need to restrict movement within the same local area...

Charles Carter4 said:Regarding Ravlic—honestly, you hear things when you're riding the subway—people are saying they didn't actually catch the infection quite the way the official story claims 😁

And besides, that subway line hasn't even been running for that long 😬

bluejackal2 said:And besides, that subway line hasn't even been running for that long 😬

🤣 to him, it seems 😁

hollowtrucker77 said:So what's the big deal?

Honestly, I feel like cutting public transit in this situation is just total overkill. It’s basically a direct hit on anyone struggling to make ends meet—it really drags down the quality of life for folks who can't afford to just go out and buy a car tomorrow.

Jerry Robinson56 said:It is an inevitable potential evil paired with surveillance. Not everyone owns a car. Life must proceed... and there are psychological factors to consider... as well as pedagogical ones.
The consensus remains that the downside is smaller than the economic stimulus provided by "traffic." If we aren't seeing new viral carriers or if they remain under control, returning to normalcy isn't the issue.

Walking around or riding a bike isn't the issue, nor is grabbing a drink at a gas station with friends, provided you maintain social distancing. The same applies to retail stores where they monitor capacity... though many remain shuttered.
Some have adapted and can work from home, much like the rest of my family—whether it's school or employment. Private employers could have implemented remote options as well...
In short, one simply follows basic rules. You must account for the fact that some apartment buildings house more residents than both of those locations you mentioned for comparison.
Furthermore, one cannot ignore the lingering consequences of the earthquake.
It is quite peculiar that you are suggesting a need to restrict movement within the same local area...

How is it "not an issue" when I personally can't even bike or walk to the next town over without a permit? That’s not a commentary on anyone else's business, it's just my own reality...🕺

Tyler Vaughn7 said:How is it "not an issue" when I personally can't even bike or walk to the next town over without a permit? That’s not a commentary on anyone else's business, it's just my own reality...🕺

So, I was planning on heading out on my bike the other day, riding from the city out to this little nearby town—it's about a certain distance from the edge of town once you pass the last sign... Just about a mile.So, I’m heading toward the outskirts of town when I run into this guy on a bike—someone I recognize from around, but we don't really talk. He was absolutely flying toward the city center. I ducked in to take care of some quick business, which only took me about ten minutes, and then I started heading back the same way. As it turns out, about five hundred yards into the city, I ran into a buddy of mine who was also on his bike, just heading home since he lives right by the edge of town. He tells me he actually just crossed paths with that first guy. Apparently, the guy told him that the police pulled him over right at the city limits! They were asking for his ID and giving him a hard time because he wasn't wearing a mask. So yeah, it looks like that was actually happening. Just about a mile. I wasn't even looking, but from what I saw, I didn't spot any patrols when I was heading out of town. It honestly felt like those cops showed up, messed with someone for five minutes, and then probably just rolled off to some other spot to bother someone else. Is that just how it goes?

Over the holidays, my little town was absolutely crawling with cars coming in from Washington, D.C., Savannah, Portland, Denver, even people driving in from Germany and Austria. You can bet they all had their passes ready to go, right?

And then there’s someone else actually trying to defend these ridiculous movement restrictions. Don't even get me started on those processions and all that other nonsense.

Tyler Vaughn7 As stated by:
It is quite a curious thing, isn't it? People seem to find it perfectly acceptable that I am effectively barred from traveling to the neighboring city—even on foot or by bicycle—simply because I lack a permit. It’s an absurd restriction. You see, a dog doesn't bark at the village; it barks at itself. This entire situation is merely a reflection of their own internal dysfunction.🕺

Ultimately, this is a matter for your own community. I haven’t personally sat down to study the mechanics of how these permits operate, but my assessment is straightforward: if you provide a legitimate justification and maintain a cooperative, non-combative attitude, there is simply no logical reason for them to deny your request.
At the end of the day, one must acknowledge that only a negligible fraction of applicants were actually rejected.
I find myself feeling rather regretful regarding these endless bureaucratic hurdles. It seems we are squandering what little time remains, leaving behind nothing more than a paper trail that could have actually served a meaningful purpose.
I am quite certain that a "travel" option exists somewhere within the interface.
If you're attempting to offer me some semblance of comfort, I appreciate the gesture, truly. However, one finds that such consolations rarely alter the underlying reality of a situation. It is an interesting impulse, I suppose—this human desire to mitigate discomfort through words—but in my experience, the facts remain stubbornly indifferent to our sentiments. Still, I acknowledge the intent.
The entire D.C. metropolitan police department is constantly breathing down our necks, checking on self-isolation protocols and obsessing over every single tip regarding small gatherings of just a few people. It’s hardly a matter of "excessive force"—it's simply the status quo. On top of that, we still have the usual bureaucratic chores to deal with.
I really should have gone much further than this...

Jerry Robinson56 said:

Tyler Vaughn7 As stated by:
It is quite a curious thing, isn't it? People seem to find it perfectly acceptable that I am effectively barred from traveling to the neighboring city—even on foot or by bicycle—simply because I lack a permit. It’s an absurd restriction. You see, a dog doesn't bark at the village; it barks at itself. This entire situation is merely a reflection of their own internal dysfunction.🕺

Ultimately, this is a matter for your own community. I haven’t personally sat down to study the mechanics of how these permits operate, but my assessment is straightforward: if you provide a legitimate justification and maintain a cooperative, non-combative attitude, there is simply no logical reason for them to deny your request.
At the end of the day, one must acknowledge that only a negligible fraction of applicants were actually rejected.
I find myself feeling rather regretful regarding these endless bureaucratic hurdles. It seems we are squandering what little time remains, leaving behind nothing more than a paper trail that could have actually served a meaningful purpose.
I am quite certain that a "travel" option exists somewhere within the interface.
If you're attempting to offer me some semblance of comfort, I appreciate the gesture, truly. However, one finds that such consolations rarely alter the underlying reality of a situation. It is an interesting impulse, I suppose—this human desire to mitigate discomfort through words—but in my experience, the facts remain stubbornly indifferent to our sentiments. Still, I acknowledge the intent.
The entire D.C. metropolitan police department is constantly breathing down our necks, checking on self-isolation protocols and obsessing over every single tip regarding small gatherings of just a few people. It’s hardly a matter of "excessive force"—it's simply the status quo. On top of that, we still have the usual bureaucratic chores to deal with.
I really should have gone much further than this...

Well, when I applied for my permit, I got it. It was just a few hours after I sent the request, but I got it. That’s not the issue; the issue is that I just don't see the logic behind these kinds of actions...

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Rachel Roberts6 said:So, I was planning on heading out on my bike the other day, riding from the city out to this little nearby town—it's about a certain distance from the edge of town once you pass the last sign... Just about a mile.So, I’m heading toward the outskirts of town when I run into this guy on a bike—someone I recognize from around, but we don't really talk. He was absolutely flying toward the city center. I ducked in to take care of some quick business, which only took me about ten minutes, and then I started heading back the same way. As it turns out, about five hundred yards into the city, I ran into a buddy of mine who was also on his bike, just heading home since he lives right by the edge of town. He tells me he actually just crossed paths with that first guy. Apparently, the guy told him that the police pulled him over right at the city limits! They were asking for his ID and giving him a hard time because he wasn't wearing a mask. So yeah, it looks like that was actually happening. Just about a mile. I wasn't even looking, but from what I saw, I didn't spot any patrols when I was heading out of town. It honestly felt like those cops showed up, messed with someone for five minutes, and then probably just rolled off to some other spot to bother someone else. Is that just how it goes?

Over the holidays, my little town was absolutely crawling with cars coming in from Washington, D.C., Savannah, Portland, Denver, even people driving in from Germany and Austria. You can bet they all had their passes ready to go, right?

And then there’s someone else actually trying to defend these ridiculous movement restrictions. Don't even get me started on those processions and all that other nonsense.

Imagine if he hadn't been on a bike 😁 then he would have truly been in trouble...
All joking aside, there simply aren't enough personnel to manage enforcement, and while there is a limitation on movement, a "ban" is an entirely different legal concept. However, observe how the uneducated individuals in power manipulate their terminology—using phrases like "relaxation of measures"😁, "bilateral meeting between the two of them"... or "social distancing"🤦

Tyler Vaughn7 said:Well, when I applied for my permit, I got it. It was just a few hours after I sent the request, but I got it. That’s not the issue; the issue is that I just don't see the logic behind these kinds of actions...

Let us consider.
Tracking movement patterns during an outbreak in areas where the contagion hasn't yet taken hold is a matter of critical importance. We must consider the reality that certain individuals act as asymptomatic carriers—biological vessels moving through society without any outward signs of illness. It is a sobering fact that one can be a vector for transmission while appearing entirely healthy, making traditional observation methods fundamentally flawed.

The sheer lack of logic within our police departments is nothing short of subversive. It’s an anti-state element, plain and simple. 🕺

Jerry Robinson56 said:Review:

Imagine if he hadn't been on a bike 😁 then he would have truly been in trouble...
All joking aside, there simply aren't enough personnel to manage enforcement, and while there is a limitation on movement, a "ban" is an entirely different legal concept. However, observe how the uneducated individuals in power manipulate their terminology—using phrases like "relaxation of measures"😁, "bilateral meeting between the two of them"... or "social distancing"🤦

Restriction vs. Ban... it’s basically the same mess. If you don't have permission, aka a pass, then you're effectively banned from traveling between different counties. It's not the restriction itself that's the problem; it's the way they actually carry it out. Like the example I mentioned earlier, law enforcement seems to be making up their own rules on the fly about who follows the rules and who doesn't. Honestly, treating the fight against this "21st-century plague" with such inconsistency is pretty unprofessional.
Sure, the actual distance someone can travel might depend on whether local mayors are playing nice with each other or not, but it's also obvious that the idiots in charge keep passing rules that make zero sense and are practically impossible to follow.
Besides, I honestly stopped caring about whether these measures were justified the second they allowed that massive parade over on Maui. And from what I heard, that whole procession wasn't even cleared by the local town council, but by some national task force.