Quarantine Life

darkotter35 said:So, my kid just got slapped with a 10-day quarantine because some classmate tested positive.
Now, we just got hit with news that the isolation period is being tacked on for another 7 days because apparently, someone else in the class popped up positive in the meantime.
Is there actually any legal ground for them to extend those initial 10 days like this?
At this rate, they could basically sentence healthy kids to three months of isolation!
Right?
WTF?

Unfortunately, yes—this is exactly how they operate. Even i vitez Reiner called them out on it.

Man, you guys are making this way too complicated 😵

Look, any normal, responsible family dealing with someone stuck in isolation because they were a close contact
is gonna try their best to keep that person isolated
right? They might be infected but haven't shown symptoms yet, or they could be positive without even feeling sick—they feel fine, but hey, without a test, you can't really know for sure. And let's be real, if the Social Security Administration tried to pay for testing every single person who was a close contact, they’d go bankrupt overnight.

So how do you actually do it?
Like Keith Barrett2 was saying earlier, her husband just spends those days holed up in his room with his computer, phone, video calls, books, the TV, all that stuff. She just drops food off at the door, and when he has to hit the bathroom, she disinfects everything afterward.

Dammit, it isn't easy, but you just gotta grit your teeth and get through those 10 days.

Can you even imagine me being stuck in one single room for ten whole days?

If nobody is forcing you to do it, people should be dragging you out from under those threats instead.
If it isn't you, then a good chunk of the population certainly should be.

Since everyone is constantly out and about, we’re basically a nation of couch potatoes.

How are you handling things like rotavirus? Or chickenpox? Have you just never been sick? Or maybe you weren't "sick" per se, but you were totally sidelined—like dealing with a torn ligament, a bad sprain, or just being stuck at home moping around?

I mean, he’s talking about when he’s actually feeling healthy while in isolation. Why on earth would anyone just stay shut in a single room?
Besides, if I were running a fever, dealing with a cold, and just generally feeling miserable—which I usually am—I'd definitely be horizontal in bed.
If you've got your shrimp or whatever and you're on crutches, you can still move around the apartment; there's really no reason to be confined to one room.

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darkotter35 said:So, my kid just got slapped with a 10-day quarantine because some classmate tested positive.
Now, we just got hit with news that the isolation period is being tacked on for another 7 days because apparently, someone else in the class popped up positive in the meantime.
Is there actually any legal ground for them to extend those initial 10 days like this?
At this rate, they could basically sentence healthy kids to three months of isolation!
Right?
WTF?

Yeah, weird. Or maybe you just have the timeline messed up—it’s at least 17 days total...

When was the contact with the first infected person, and when with the second? If, say, Friday Oct 1st was the first contact with a teacher who tests positive on Tuesday Oct 4th, the kid stays isolated for 14 days from that last contact, which means 10 more days (until Oct 14th). If someone else in the class tests positive on Tuesday Oct 4th, then the isolation extends to Oct 18th to hit that 14-day mark from the most recent exposure. Technically, it shouldn't work like that, and I don't think rules are uniform everywhere since it should be based on when symptoms actually develop. That's how it ought to be handled.

mellowskipper said:I mean, he’s talking about when he’s actually feeling healthy while in isolation. Why on earth would anyone just stay shut in a single room?
Besides, if I were running a fever, dealing with a cold, and just generally feeling miserable—which I usually am—I'd definitely be horizontal in bed.
If you've got your shrimp or whatever and you're on crutches, you can still move around the apartment; there's really no reason to be confined to one room.

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Man, you seriously don't get what isolation even means or why we have to do it for this new virus🤔

especially since you can't be 100% certain you're healthy after being around someone who tested positive. That's the whole point of the quarantine! 🤷

Nicholas Davis4 said:If nobody is forcing you to do it, people should be dragging you out from under those threats instead.
If it isn't you, then a good chunk of the population certainly should be.

Since everyone is constantly out and about, we’re basically a nation of couch potatoes.

How are you handling things like rotavirus? Or chickenpox? Have you just never been sick? Or maybe you weren't "sick" per se, but you were totally sidelined—like dealing with a torn ligament, a bad sprain, or just being stuck at home moping around?

I'm just speaking for myself here.
I mean, I might pick a weekend to stay in, especially if the weather is being terrible—but I'm definitely not talking about staying cooped up for two weeks straight. Even then, I'd at least head out for some groceries.
Plus, I actually stay active—I work out, I run, and I love hiking in nature. I'm really not one of those people who spends days slumped on the sofa glued to the TV.
So, obviously, if I'm feeling sick, I'm not going to go out—it's just not happening—but I guess it depends on how bad it is. I certainly wouldn't lock myself away just because of a tiny little cold, and honestly, when I feel a bit run down, a workout is usually what gets me back on my feet. It's a different story, though, when something hits you harder and your body just won't let you move.

nimbleranger17 said:With these mandatory isolation orders, there isn't even a mechanism to appeal them. It's just yet another unconstitutional, unlawful decree that I’ve been venting about on this board for months now.

Well, you can always contest a fine... I mean, if they slap you with one without even giving you a heads-up, or if the police show up at your door and you don't answer? There’s basically no grounds for a ticket since they can't actually prove you even left the house! Maybe you were just sleeping, or maybe you had headphones on and didn't hear the knock—it happens!
I guess it's probably best not to give out any of your personal info over the phone or through texts, anyway.

Look, the fine is a separate issue entirely—that’s something for the courts to hash out down the road. But we absolutely need a formal order regarding mandatory self-isolation, and more importantly, that order has to come with a legitimate way to appeal it.

In America, you simply cannot have a government procedure that doesn't offer a path to legal recourse. A self-isolation mandate is a textbook administrative process, and just like any other administrative action, it must include a mechanism for judicial review. The penalty itself is a completely different beast and falls under an entirely different procedural category altogether.

darkotter35 said:They just extended the whole class detention period.
Honestly, I don't think they have any legal ground to stand on here.
You can't just keep people under house arrest indefinitely just because you feel like it, especially when they aren't even sick.
I'm totally lost on who I'm even supposed to contact to file a formal complaint...

Are you absolutely certain this is about self-isolation—as in, the kid isn't allowed to leave the house because they haven't had contact with anyone for 17 days? Or is it possible they just decided to cancel in-person classes for that long?

nimbleranger17 said:Look, the fine is a separate issue entirely—that’s something for the courts to hash out down the road. But we absolutely need a formal order regarding mandatory self-isolation, and more importantly, that order has to come with a legitimate way to appeal it.

In America, you simply cannot have a government procedure that doesn't offer a path to legal recourse. A self-isolation mandate is a textbook administrative process, and just like any other administrative action, it must include a mechanism for judicial review. The penalty itself is a completely different beast and falls under an entirely different procedural category altogether.

Lol, I guess doctors and epidemiologists should just drop everything they do and spend all day writing paperwork then! 👍 Or, you know, we could just hire a massive army of bureaucrats to handle all the orders and red tape.

So what, are you gonna demand your doctor write up a formal legal decree just so you can take a sick day too?😲

neonpuma30 said:Lol, I guess doctors and epidemiologists should just drop everything they do and spend all day writing paperwork then! 👍 Or, you know, we could just hire a massive army of bureaucrats to handle all the orders and red tape.

So what, are you gonna demand your doctor write up a formal legal decree just so you can take a sick day too?😲

I mean, look, if you don't care about following the constitutional order here in America, then fine—whatever works for you. But for me, that actually matters, because at the end of the day, the whole point of having a state is that people actually respect the rules.

Keith Barrett2 said:Man, you seriously don't get what isolation even means or why we have to do it for this new virus🤔

especially since you can't be 100% certain you're healthy after being around someone who tested positive. That's the whole point of the quarantine! 🤷

I'm not sure what I'm failing to understand here? It seems fairly straightforward to me—sick people isolate, while healthy people undergo self-isolation, or quarantine, if you will. If symptoms actually show up, then they move into isolation.
It's all laid out clearly on the official US Army websites.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/about/isolation-quarantine.html

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mellowskipper said:I mean, he’s talking about when he’s actually feeling healthy while in isolation. Why on earth would anyone just stay shut in a single room?
Besides, if I were running a fever, dealing with a cold, and just generally feeling miserable—which I usually am—I'd definitely be horizontal in bed.
If you've got your shrimp or whatever and you're on crutches, you can still move around the apartment; there's really no reason to be confined to one room.

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mellowskipper said:I'm not sure what I'm failing to understand here? It seems fairly straightforward to me—sick people isolate, while healthy people undergo self-isolation, or quarantine, if you will. If symptoms actually show up, then they move into isolation.
It's all laid out clearly on the official US Army websites.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/about/isolation-quarantine.html

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Sweet link, man! Here’s what I pulled from it:

Isolation basically means you’re stuck in quarantine and—well, that's it. You're just cooped up. He’s staying in his own private room.Look, it’s all about preventing the spread of some nasty virus in a room, alright? And honestly, the whole thing applies to self-isolation too—it's just that people usually toss around the word "isolation" when someone is actually sick, whereas they use "self-isolation" or "home quarantine" for healthy folks staying put. It's basically the same damn thing, just different labels depending on whether you're hacking up a lung or just playing it safe.

So, basically, if you've been around people who actually caught the virus, you're looking at being stuck in self-isolation or home quarantine. It’s that whole "stay in your bubble" deal where you gotta lay low because you might've been exposed. Just one of those things, I guess. I could totally catch something in the next two weeks, honestly. Just waiting for it to hit me.

Look, if you’re one of those people stuck under a mandatory quarantine order, you basically have to stay put. It's simple: you gotta limit your movement and just hang out at home for a bit. No wandering around, no hitting up the local Starbucks, nothing. Just stay inside! Stay inside, man. Just stay home. Seriously. Honestly, the more you try to just stay in your own lane and cut ties with everyone else in the house—and everyone else out there too—the better. Just keep that circle small, man. Seriously.

Look, if you're stuck in self-isolation but you aren't living solo, you seriously need to go above and beyond to stay away from everyone else in the house. Like, I'm talking maximum effort here. You gotta do everything in your power to limit contact with your family or whoever else is breathing the same air as you. Seriously, just stay out of the way as much as possible! Man, you seriously gotta get some space from the people you live with. Like, if at all possible, find yourself a separate room where you can just... exist. You know? Just breathe without someone breathing down your neck.

Look, here's the deal: if you catch COVID, you’re basically a walking biohazard from the second it hits you. Even when you feel totally fine—like, you're just dealing with some minor, annoying symptoms that don't even seem like a big deal yet—you're already spreading it. You can't just sit there thinking you're safe because you aren't feeling miserable yet. Nope. You're contagious right out of the gate. Man, you gotta watch out because this thing can actually start spreading like wildfire a day or two before you even feel sick. Like, you think you're totally fine, just chilling, and then bam—you're already passing it around. It's honestly such a pain.

Have you read about that kid who managed to stay in self-isolation three separate times and still somehow hasn't caught the virus? I honestly wonder if his parents just kept him locked in a tiny room for 14 days at a time—it seems almost impossible otherwise.
I suppose everyone should just do whatever they feel is best...
Since you seem so terrified of this thing, you might want to take every precaution possible, because it’s everywhere right now. You really can't rely on anyone else to look out for you...

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Yeah🤣 my biggest fear is honestly just how much you're missing the point here. Like, if someone is supposed to be in self-isolation, the whole damn idea is that they need to be isolated
from everyone else—including people living under the same roof, as much as possible
and they shouldn't be stepping foot out of the house unless it’s an absolute emergency 🤦

plus, you're actually dropping a link that says the exact opposite of what you're so dead set on believing 🤦

Look at the first two points from that link you posted:
Guidelines for people required to self-isolate:

1. Stay home. Only go out if it's absolutely necessary. Don't invite anyone over and don't have guests visit.
2. Avoid contact with other household members as much as possible.
...Stay in a separate room

wanderingbadger77 said:If your kid ends up stuck in quarantine along with their whole class, they aren't gonna be testing everyone—only the ones actually showing symptoms.
And you won't be stuck in isolation either since the order was issued for the kid.
Look, the coach needs to act responsibly, but there's no requirement for them to self-isolate if they haven't had direct contact with someone infected.

I never said they were obligated... and honestly, the fact that they aren't is just as nonsensical as everything else regarding this whole isolation mess.
Besides, from here on out, "contact" isn't just any contact—it's contact with someone actually positive.☕
Practices aren't canceled. My little one is going.

Amanda Hughes37 said:I never said they were obligated... and honestly, the fact that they aren't is just as nonsensical as everything else regarding this whole isolation mess.
Besides, from here on out, "contact" isn't just any contact—it's contact with someone actually positive.☕
Practices aren't canceled. My little one is going.

If you've been in contact with someone infected, then yeah, you have to isolate.
And there's no way he can be at practice. Some other kid will probably just step in for him.

Maybe it doesn't even have to be that way. Honestly, working for the CDC can be incredibly flexible depending on who you're dealing with.