hollowmason64 said:Let's be real here; it’s not like they can't find a surrogate. Most of the gay folks I run into are doing pretty well for themselves professionally and financially. They could make it happen. But honestly, I don't think that's what they want; they'd rather give a home to a kid who's already out there waiting in the system.
Quincy:| The answer isn't about handing kids off to just anyone or letting anyone have them... it's about having a system that reacts quickly and effectively... |
And even then, you'd still have those kids who are harder to place, not to mention the ones that nobody seems to want at all.
Quincy: No, their life isn't as "right" as mine... okay, maybe "right" isn't the best word for it...
But if it were exactly like mine, they could have children... but they can't... |
That's just not true. Not everyone living your way of life is unable to have kids. So, "your lifestyle" isn't some kind of guarantee regarding whether or not someone can have children.
Quincy:| What happens to a child who has to deal with being different because they don't have a mother? |
Are we assuming only kids raised by gay couples would be without a mother? These kids in foster care have mothers too, right? Or is it somehow better to stay in a group home, where they're also without a mother, just so they aren't with "those people"?
And what about the hundreds of kids growing up right now in families without a mother simply because she passed away?
I wonder what would have happened to that little boy from that female monster in San Francisco if he hadn't had a mother. He probably would be alive today.
Sure, anyone can ask for whatever they want... the catch is the legal framework...
And again, they're just looking out for themselves—they want something they simply cannot have through natural means... at all.
hollowmason64 said:Let's be real here; it’s not like they can't find a surrogate. Most of the gay folks I run into are doing pretty well for themselves professionally and financially. They could make it happen. But honestly, I don't think that's what they want; they'd rather give a home to a kid who's already out there waiting in the system.
Quincy:| The answer isn't about handing kids off to just anyone or letting anyone have them... it's about having a system that reacts quickly and effectively... |
And even then, you'd still have those kids who are harder to place, not to mention the ones that nobody seems to want at all.
Quincy: No, their life isn't as "right" as mine... okay, maybe "right" isn't the best word for it...
But if it were exactly like mine, they could have children... but they can't... |
That's just not true. Not everyone living your way of life is unable to have kids. So, "your lifestyle" isn't some kind of guarantee regarding whether or not someone can have children.
Quincy:| What happens to a child who has to deal with being different because they don't have a mother? |
Are we assuming only kids raised by gay couples would be without a mother? These kids in foster care have mothers too, right? Or is it somehow better to stay in a group home, where they're also without a mother, just so they aren't with "those people"?
And what about the hundreds of kids growing up right now in families without a mother simply because she passed away?
I wonder what would have happened to that little boy from that female monster in San Francisco if he hadn't had a mother. He probably would be alive today.
There is absolutely no way to know that for sure...😉
hollowmason64 said:Let's be real here; it’s not like they can't find a surrogate. Most of the gay folks I run into are doing pretty well for themselves professionally and financially. They could make it happen. But honestly, I don't think that's what they want; they'd rather give a home to a kid who's already out there waiting in the system.
Quincy:| The answer isn't about handing kids off to just anyone or letting anyone have them... it's about having a system that reacts quickly and effectively... |
And even then, you'd still have those kids who are harder to place, not to mention the ones that nobody seems to want at all.
Quincy: No, their life isn't as "right" as mine... okay, maybe "right" isn't the best word for it...
But if it were exactly like mine, they could have children... but they can't... |
That's just not true. Not everyone living your way of life is unable to have kids. So, "your lifestyle" isn't some kind of guarantee regarding whether or not someone can have children.
Quincy:| What happens to a child who has to deal with being different because they don't have a mother? |
Are we assuming only kids raised by gay couples would be without a mother? These kids in foster care have mothers too, right? Or is it somehow better to stay in a group home, where they're also without a mother, just so they aren't with "those people"?
And what about the hundreds of kids growing up right now in families without a mother simply because she passed away?
I wonder what would have happened to that little boy from that female monster in San Francisco if he hadn't had a mother. He probably would be alive today.
You've got your wires crossed here... first off, I never claimed my lifestyle was a guarantee for anything...
Second—and this is important—couples dealing with infertility are facing a medical condition. Now, if I wanted to play your game, I could twist the narrative and start linking homosexuality to illness...😉
So, using sick hetero couples as an argument against a gay population that wants to have kids is just a complete miss...
hollowmason64 said:Let's be real here; it’s not like they can't find a surrogate. Most of the gay folks I run into are doing pretty well for themselves professionally and financially. They could make it happen. But honestly, I don't think that's what they want; they'd rather give a home to a kid who's already out there waiting in the system.
Quincy:| The answer isn't about handing kids off to just anyone or letting anyone have them... it's about having a system that reacts quickly and effectively... |
And even then, you'd still have those kids who are harder to place, not to mention the ones that nobody seems to want at all.
Quincy: No, their life isn't as "right" as mine... okay, maybe "right" isn't the best word for it...
But if it were exactly like mine, they could have children... but they can't... |
That's just not true. Not everyone living your way of life is unable to have kids. So, "your lifestyle" isn't some kind of guarantee regarding whether or not someone can have children.
Quincy:| What happens to a child who has to deal with being different because they don't have a mother? |
Are we assuming only kids raised by gay couples would be without a mother? These kids in foster care have mothers too, right? Or is it somehow better to stay in a group home, where they're also without a mother, just so they aren't with "those people"?
And what about the hundreds of kids growing up right now in families without a mother simply because she passed away?
I wonder what would have happened to that little boy from that female monster in San Francisco if he hadn't had a mother. He probably would be alive today.
Once again, you're just swapping arguments and throwing out fallacies...
It is not the same thing when you actually HAD a mother versus when you never had one in your life... and it's certainly different when your mother acts like some dude in a pink shirt...😉
And here we go again—it’s always about the system, the system, the system... look, you can't just point to some systemic glitch or one person's individual failings and try to use that as a justification for gay couples and their adoption rights...