Republican Party - General Discussion

Kazo Bačić is finally out of prison, which might just settle the score with Šveb once and for all.
Some guy on TV actually had the nerve to say, "He's returning to where he’s loved." 🤣

steelfox98 said:Kazo Bačić is finally out of prison, which might just settle the score with Šveb once and for all.
Some guy on TV actually had the nerve to say, "He's returning to where he’s loved." 🤣

What is it with the Bačić family and their obsession with causing drama?
Are they even related? 🤣

Just stumbled upon this old article from 2016. Given the recent circus surrounding the appointment of the Supreme Court Chief Justice, it’s worth a look:
The former Republican candidate for the Constitutional Court

So much for the "new" Republican Party.

ruggeddrifter85 said:What is it with the Bačić family and their obsession with causing drama?
Are they even related? 🤣

Look, there’s one clear sign of Šeksov's influence within the Republican Party, and another sign of Ksenija Urličić's (Republican Party) sway over the public networks. Things are always much more straightforward than people make them out to be...

steelfox98 said:Just stumbled upon this old article from 2016. Given the recent circus surrounding the appointment of the Supreme Court Chief Justice, it’s worth a look:
The former Republican candidate for the Constitutional Court

So much for the "new" Republican Party.

Oh, please. That was back in 2014. They have a different price list now; they're a much more "honest" party these days. 😁
It would be fascinating to know if accepting bribes—or calling them "lobbying fees"—is actually a crime under American law. Are these three individuals even registered lobbyists? And what happens to the funds if the lobbying fails to yield results? Did the American investigative agencies pass their findings along to their counterparts in America? And more importantly, what, if anything, was actually done about it here in the States?

Rachel Barrett8 said:Alright then, how many dead voters who supposedly cast ballots for the Republican Party have actually screwed us over so far, and what's been done about it?☕

Oh, right—you mean those fines they handed out to that group over there.😁

So, you're basically admitting they cheated, just like this... What do you think they'd be doing if there wasn't anyone left to watch them?

Alex Moore3 said:The Republican Party proposed that law, and both the Democratic Party and the Progressives sided with them. Those are the facts. Part of the opposition even claimed the law was flawed and unenforceable, which turned out to be true.
Now, the Democratic Party and the Progressives are distancing themselves and making valid demands for changes, but it would be decent of them to admit fault and apologize to the citizens who will spend another winter in shipping containers thanks to them.
It would also be fair if certain forum members who defend them would acknowledge this. But I know that's not realistic.😁
Or at least explain the differences between these three parties based on how they voted on this law. Is the Republican Party solely responsible, or are the Democratic Party and the Progressives also to blame?

That attempt of yours to shift the blame onto other parties is completely missing the mark, because the Republican Party would have pushed this through regardless.
And yeah, sure, they criticized the flaws in the bill before the vote, but the biggest failure of this whole thing—something absolutely nobody could have seen coming—is that even after more than a year and a half since the disaster, not a single house has actually been built.
And that right there? That is the sole responsibility of the Republican Party.

hollowmason64 said:So, you're basically admitting they cheated, just like this... What do you think they'd be doing if there wasn't anyone left to watch them?

That attempt of yours to shift the blame onto other parties is completely missing the mark, because the Republican Party would have pushed this through regardless.
And yeah, sure, they criticized the flaws in the bill before the vote, but the biggest failure of this whole thing—something absolutely nobody could have seen coming—is that even after more than a year and a half since the disaster, not a single house has actually been built.
And that right there? That is the sole responsibility of the Republican Party.

You're absolutely right that the Republican Party would have passed that law on a second attempt even without opposition. It might have been harder, and they would have taken the full blame, but since the Democratic Party and the Progressives helped them out, the responsibility is naturally shared.
If anything is being weak here, it's your effort to justify why the Democratic Party and the Progressives aligned themselves with the Republican Party in this instance.
It’s funny how you explain that they criticized the proposal so heavily, only to end up voting for the very thing they opposed. I guess Joe Biden just forced their hand.😁
Another interesting point from the link above is that some parties were extremely critical and warned the law wouldn't work. Their representatives didn't even vote for it.
Wait, so the Democratic Party and the Progressives voted for a disastrous law, but they aren't responsible???
Let me try rephrasing that: The Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the Progressives are ALL responsible for passing a terrible law that has delayed recovery for over a year and risks us having to return EU funds, all while citizens are stuck waiting through another winter in temporary housing. How does that sound? ☕

Jacob Johnson70 said:Can I ask one thing?
How many cars has Musk actually manufactured and sold so far?

Sure, maybe he built a couple, but let's be real—he hasn't even gotten a single one street-legal or through a dealership yet.

And don't hold your breath waiting for that to change anytime soon.

But hey, at least he managed to launder all his old man's dirty money in the meantime, right?

Alex Moore3 said:You're absolutely right that the Republican Party would have passed that law on a second attempt even without opposition. It might have been harder, and they would have taken the full blame, but since the Democratic Party and the Progressives helped them out, the responsibility is naturally shared.
If anything is being weak here, it's your effort to justify why the Democratic Party and the Progressives aligned themselves with the Republican Party in this instance.
It’s funny how you explain that they criticized the proposal so heavily, only to end up voting for the very thing they opposed. I guess Joe Biden just forced their hand.😁
Another interesting point from the link above is that some parties were extremely critical and warned the law wouldn't work. Their representatives didn't even vote for it.
Wait, so the Democratic Party and the Progressives voted for a disastrous law, but they aren't responsible???
Let me try rephrasing that: The Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the Progressives are ALL responsible for passing a terrible law that has delayed recovery for over a year and risks us having to return EU funds, all while citizens are stuck waiting through another winter in temporary housing. How does that sound? ☕

Let me ask you something (and I know you won't answer), are the Democratic Party and Možemo actually responsible for how the law is carried out? And is Horvat some minister appointed because of a Možemo or Democratic Party quota?

Alex Moore3 said:You're absolutely right that the Republican Party would have passed that law on a second attempt even without opposition. It might have been harder, and they would have taken the full blame, but since the Democratic Party and the Progressives helped them out, the responsibility is naturally shared.
If anything is being weak here, it's your effort to justify why the Democratic Party and the Progressives aligned themselves with the Republican Party in this instance.
It’s funny how you explain that they criticized the proposal so heavily, only to end up voting for the very thing they opposed. I guess Joe Biden just forced their hand.😁
Another interesting point from the link above is that some parties were extremely critical and warned the law wouldn't work. Their representatives didn't even vote for it.
Wait, so the Democratic Party and the Progressives voted for a disastrous law, but they aren't responsible???
Let me try rephrasing that: The Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the Progressives are ALL responsible for passing a terrible law that has delayed recovery for over a year and risks us having to return EU funds, all while citizens are stuck waiting through another winter in temporary housing. How does that sound? ☕

During the vote in US Congress, both the Democratic Party and the Progressives made it clear the law was flawed, but they voted for it anyway because they were hoping the Republican Party would finally get off its butt and actually do something a year after the disaster.
They had a ton of amendments that eventually made it into this new version, but back then, only some minor technical stuff got accepted. Of course, the idea was that anything good has to be a Republican proposal, so they preferred forcing through a bad law rather than fixing it by accepting the opposition's amendments before the vote.
The big boss complained that the recovery is lagging because of the opposition, yet the vote was only delayed by a week because the Republican Party couldn't even get enough people in the room.
Now they have a "new and improved" law, but still nothing. We'll see when anything actually happens.

Alex Moore3 said:You're absolutely right that the Republican Party would have passed that law on a second attempt even without opposition. It might have been harder, and they would have taken the full blame, but since the Democratic Party and the Progressives helped them out, the responsibility is naturally shared.
If anything is being weak here, it's your effort to justify why the Democratic Party and the Progressives aligned themselves with the Republican Party in this instance.
It’s funny how you explain that they criticized the proposal so heavily, only to end up voting for the very thing they opposed. I guess Joe Biden just forced their hand.😁
Another interesting point from the link above is that some parties were extremely critical and warned the law wouldn't work. Their representatives didn't even vote for it.
Wait, so the Democratic Party and the Progressives voted for a disastrous law, but they aren't responsible???
Let me try rephrasing that: The Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the Progressives are ALL responsible for passing a terrible law that has delayed recovery for over a year and risks us having to return EU funds, all while citizens are stuck waiting through another winter in temporary housing. How does that sound? ☕

And even with that "flawed" law, they could have renovated a good chunk of these buildings.
But they haven't renovated a single damn thing.
In all this time,
everything that actually got fixed was done purely by volunteers.

They haven't even touched the properties that the government actually owns.

Nancy Gomez26 said:Do you honestly believe that throwing people—who were handpicked based on someone's personal whims—into a pit will lead to any actual improvement? I don't think so. While I agree that the system needs changing—change is absolutely necessary—a pit isn't the solution. A pit is just a few evolutionary steps backward.

I actually disagree, because isn't it true that sometimes you simply have to physically remove certain elements of the sediment if you want any kind of real change, much like how many of the most advanced nations throughout history handled their own internal issues? If they had been as tolerant toward their own rot as we are toward ours, they wouldn't be where they are today, and for some people, there really is no alternative left but a bullet.

Quincy

Christian Torres3 said:Let me ask you something (and I know you won't answer), are the Democratic Party and Možemo actually responsible for how the law is carried out? And is Horvat some minister appointed because of a Možemo or Democratic Party quota?

They’re responsible for polishing their image while ignoring massive legal loopholes. If M! and the Democratic Party actually had some backbone and didn't vote for this, people might wonder why the united opposition isn't backing the nation's absolute number one priority.
The way things are, Plenković and Smith can easily dodge blame by claiming the opposition supported their legislation.
Bottom line: M! and the Democratic Party just wanted to screw everyone over while keeping their hands clean.

steelfox98 said:Quincy

They’re responsible for polishing their image while ignoring massive legal loopholes. If M! and the Democratic Party actually had some backbone and didn't vote for this, people might wonder why the united opposition isn't backing the nation's absolute number one priority.
The way things are, Plenković and Smith can easily dodge blame by claiming the opposition supported their legislation.
Bottom line: M! and the Democratic Party just wanted to screw everyone over while keeping their hands clean.

The opposition doesn't hold executive power, so they aren't responsible for a single move made by the current administration. What you're saying is just Plenković's mantra.
The Greens and the Democrats had to vote for the reconstruction law. If they hadn't, the Republican Party and their media allies (meaning about 90 percent of the mainstream press) would have run the entire local election campaign on one theme: "they refused to start the rebuilding process while poor people are stuck living in shipping containers and cramped hotel rooms."
If the Greens and Democrats wanted to stay honest while still getting what they wanted, they did exactly that. They knew they were barely six months away from local elections. Politics is the filthiest business there is...

What actually interests me about this whole reconstruction story is the prices Bandić paid for construction materials that he was handing out left and right without any oversight.

Edward Cooper2 said:The opposition doesn't hold executive power, so they aren't responsible for a single move made by the current administration. What you're saying is just Plenković's mantra.
The Greens and the Democrats had to vote for the reconstruction law. If they hadn't, the Republican Party and their media allies (meaning about 90 percent of the mainstream press) would have run the entire local election campaign on one theme: "they refused to start the rebuilding process while poor people are stuck living in shipping containers and cramped hotel rooms."
If the Greens and Democrats wanted to stay honest while still getting what they wanted, they did exactly that. They knew they were barely six months away from local elections. Politics is the filthiest business there is...

What actually interests me about this whole reconstruction story is the prices Bandić paid for construction materials that he was handing out left and right without any oversight.

Where on earth did I claim the opposition holds executive authority?
They voted for it—YES, they DID.
Did everyone else vote for it? NO, they didn't.

Plenković can chant his mantras all he wants because the Democrats and the Progressives gave him every reason to.

Quincy:

The Progressives and the Democrats had to vote for the reconstruction bill. If they hadn't, the Republican Party and their media allies—basically 90% of the mainstream outlets—would have spent the entire local election campaign hammering them: "they blocked the recovery efforts while poor families were stuck in shipping containers and cramped hotel rooms."

Why didn't the other opposition members feel forced to? Or should we just admit they went full populist just to secure votes at the polls?

Quincy:

If the Progressives and Democrats wanted to stay clean and honest, they could have. But they knew the local elections were only six months away. Politics is the filthiest business there is. What really bothers me about this whole reconstruction mess is the price gouging I saw when Bandić was buying construction supplies to hand out left and right without any oversight.

Now we see it could have been done differently. There were actually reasonable people back then who chose not to support a bad law, even if it hurt them politically ahead of the elections.

Quincy

Christian Torres3 said:Let me ask you something (and I know you won't answer), are the Democratic Party and Možemo actually responsible for how the law is carried out? And is Horvat some minister appointed because of a Možemo or Democratic Party quota?

Mr. Analyst, do I really need to prove you wrong again? Fine.
Nobody was questioning who is responsible for the (lack of) enforcement of this law, but since you asked, yes, the Republican Party is responsible for that, and Smith is a Republican minister. Satisfied?
But just in case you didn't catch it, let me repeat: the Republican Party is responsible for both passing this bad law and its implementation, while the Democrats and the Greens share responsibility for voting it through. This is the opposition that you, our "expert" analyst 😁, labeled as the "real" opposition while calling the others "fake," so I'm showing you exactly how much nonsense you're talking. You're getting ahead of yourself.☕

On a more serious note. The opposition needs to unite at least regarding the elections to take power back from a corrupt administration. They should set aside ideological differences until those issues actually hit the agenda. What you and the other former Democrats are doing is counterproductive. By pushing these foolish and untrue claims, you're creating division within the opposition before the election even happens. You don't even realize you're just helping the corrupt party.
Back when the Democrats were in power, you tried to shut down legitimate criticism of bad moves—moves that ultimately led to the Republicans returning to power. Instead of criticizing those mistakes yourselves, you deflected and insisted everyone else was to blame rather than your own party.
Now, after the split in the Democratic Party and their path toward becoming a marginal group, you've jumped ship to join the Greens and are making the exact same mistakes. You haven't learned anything, and you could easily end up with the same result.
Of course, that is unless you change your approach.
It is necessary to criticize the bad actions of your own favorites so they can improve and correct their course in time.
If you've understood anything at all, you won't be angry at this critique; if you haven't, just keep going until Adams eventually asks you to defend him.😁

Alex Moore3 said:You're absolutely right that the Republican Party would have passed that law on a second attempt even without opposition. It might have been harder, and they would have taken the full blame, but since the Democratic Party and the Progressives helped them out, the responsibility is naturally shared.
If anything is being weak here, it's your effort to justify why the Democratic Party and the Progressives aligned themselves with the Republican Party in this instance.
It’s funny how you explain that they criticized the proposal so heavily, only to end up voting for the very thing they opposed. I guess Joe Biden just forced their hand.😁
Another interesting point from the link above is that some parties were extremely critical and warned the law wouldn't work. Their representatives didn't even vote for it.
Wait, so the Democratic Party and the Progressives voted for a disastrous law, but they aren't responsible???
Let me try rephrasing that: The Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the Progressives are ALL responsible for passing a terrible law that has delayed recovery for over a year and risks us having to return EU funds, all while citizens are stuck waiting through another winter in temporary housing. How does that sound? ☕

Wait, "a little tougher"???
Seriously, please tell me how passing a law becomes just "a little tougher" when you already have the 76 votes you need to make it happen?
I am dying of curiosity here, please, I really need to hear an explanation for that logic. 🙂

Quincy:

So, are you saying the Democratic Party and the Progressives voted for a disastrously bad law, but they aren't responsible for it???

Of course not. How can you be held accountable for managing something when you don't have a single lever at your disposal—not even a tiny bit of influence over any of them?

steelfox98 said:Quincy

They’re responsible for polishing their image while ignoring massive legal loopholes. If M! and the Democratic Party actually had some backbone and didn't vote for this, people might wonder why the united opposition isn't backing the nation's absolute number one priority.
The way things are, Plenković and Smith can easily dodge blame by claiming the opposition supported their legislation.
Bottom line: M! and the Democratic Party just wanted to screw everyone over while keeping their hands clean.

Your logic is a bit shaky 😵 — on one hand, you're arguing that if the opposition hadn't supported the law, citizens would notice, but now that nothing is getting built, citizens don't seem to care?
Are you saying back then it would have been obvious the law was bad because the opposition rejected it, but now nobody knows who to blame for the lack of progress?
You're being a little contradictory here.

Kate Chase59 said:Wait, online voting!?
If the folks over in Ireland don't have a local Republican Party branch there, how does it work? Could they end up messing up the diaspora vote, or if they’re registered locally, could they throw off the results for the local candidates here at home?
Do you guys realize the kind of chaos 100,000 votes like that could cause?

Here we go again—the forum’s most dedicated Republican Party cheerleader, who would probably commit a felony if it meant helping her party, is now proudly rambling about her son moving to England.

Why on earth would you assume she—or her son, or even old lady Josephine, who was last seen being coherent back when we were first admitted to the UN—wouldn't give a perfectly honest answer to an election question?

hollowmason64 said:Wait, "a little tougher"???
Seriously, please tell me how passing a law becomes just "a little tougher" when you already have the 76 votes you need to make it happen?
I am dying of curiosity here, please, I really need to hear an explanation for that logic. 🙂

Quincy:

So, are you saying the Democratic Party and the Progressives voted for a disastrously bad law, but they aren't responsible for it???

Of course not. How can you be held accountable for managing something when you don't have a single lever at your disposal—not even a tiny bit of influence over any of them?

Your logic is a bit shaky 😵 — on one hand, you're arguing that if the opposition hadn't supported the law, citizens would notice, but now that nothing is getting built, citizens don't seem to care?
Are you saying back then it would have been obvious the law was bad because the opposition rejected it, but now nobody knows who to blame for the lack of progress?
You're being a little contradictory here.

They couldn't pass that law a week before.
On the second attempt, they actually put in some effort and passed a controversial, poorly designed, and unworkable law, and they even had help from the Democratic Party and the Greens.
Satisfied with that answer?

They had a massive supermajority—seventy-six seats—so what kind of "help" are you even talking about when you just chatter away like that?

Between Joe Biden and Smith, they had a mouth full of nothing but "genius" legislation and that traitorous opposition—which, let’s be honest, is just sabotaging the recovery by slowing down this brilliant law with their endless, petty little objections.