Caught completely off guard

He’s finally found an audience for his New Jersey ramblings. It seems these types are always searching for someone to impress, aren't they? Honestly, his sense of humor is stuck at the level of a petulant teenager—there is absolutely nothing profound about it. If there is any depth to be found, it’s merely a form of intellectual snobbery. I find it truly hard to believe that people accept this as something special; to me, it feels incredibly tired and childish. Furthermore, I simply cannot reconcile that particular way of thinking with actual human virtue.

Isabella, is this the friend you were talking about? 🍿

Good grief, this is just ridiculous. 🤣

hiddenpuma75 said:Are you agreeing just with the shovel part, or the whole post? 🤔

Aside from that, I’d say you and I have agreed on quite a few things over time, though we’ve definitely clashed on plenty of others too.🤷

The Hoe and sacramental copulation—now that’s an ideal pairing for curing depression.
Look, some people actually try to integrate into this society:

THEY SAID GOODBYE TO CIVILIZATION: 'We wouldn't mind if some man joined us...' Man, we’ve been through it all—we had to build everything from scratch. We cleared the land ourselves, broke through the brush, built stone walls, a bathroom, an upstairs kitchen, and everything behind the house. We grow our own fruit and vegetables, and we’ve even started working the olive groves. People were a bit skeptical when we first showed up, giving us nicknames—some sweet, some harsh. At first, we were seen as Oddballs, then neither women nor devils. But once they realized we don't drink beer, aren't afraid of hard work, and don't spend two hours lounging around, we became Amazons. It’s fine; those have always been brave women—they speak of it with pride.

But a word of caution:
These ones over here are lesbians:
😬

My grandfather used to say the exact same thing—I’d hand them all a Hoe just to keep them too busy for nonsense.

But honestly, I get where he's coming from. There was a point in my life where I felt the same way after consuming far too many books on every possible subject.

One doesn't need to read quite this much. If he scales it back a bit, he'll feel much better.

restlessdriver said:What your friend has embraced is conscious suffering. There’s a purpose to it, which sets it apart from the random, mindless misery we often struggle against without any control...

Conscious suffering drives personal growth because it's the only thing that actually forces a person to do the Work. If you don't recognize the flaws in the life you're leading, or if you can't see why transformation is necessary, you'll just stay stuck. It's as simple as that.

Ultimately, a person can only perceive as much as their current state allows. Eventually, they might find their way...

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That's exactly it... right to the core. How did I not see that? ☹️ I finally get it now... but man, he's right.
I've been worrying about him when I haven't even realized the process that's unfolding...
Your post actually reminds me of being on Mount Everest.

[QUOTE=Joseph Bailey41;78088731]Isabella, is this that friend of yours? 🍿[/QUOTE

Wait, what? 😲
No--
Do I really come off that silly? Like, when people say "you're such a 😁"[/QUOTE]

wearyowl29 said:Quincy:

The world seems convinced we’re just some minor deity’s side project. They think something went sideways during the initial Creation, that we’ve all been hardwired into some kind of matrix. It’s wild! People act like we're just NPCs in a video game being toyed with by higher powers, totally stripped of any actual free will.

He isn't the only one thinking this way.

I concur

However, I would argue that experiencing depression due to spiritual matters is essentially a symptom of an inability to reconcile oneself with the harsh reality that life, illness, suffering, and pain often lack any inherent meaning. It is much like a group of idealistic reformers who yearn to reshape the world into something better, yet find themselves paralyzed because they cannot accept the world exactly as it exists right now.

Morgan Peterson6 said:He’s in such a dark place—some days he even messages me saying he just wants to be erased, to simply cease existing. He’s craving nonexistence. He’s been on this deep journey of awakening for years now, soaking up all kinds of literature and life experiences... and now? He just can't find any meaning in anything. He says he hasn't found a single thing that gives him hope that we’re here for any reason other than being food.
He honestly views this whole world as a flawed piece of work—like something went wrong during the Creation. He thinks we're just programmed, living in some kind of matrix where entities stomp all over us like we're characters in a video game with zero free will. He doesn't find any joy in life; he's just deeply, profoundly unhappy. He can't stand the injustice and the sheer pain of this dimension. I can feel his sadness... and it makes me so sad just being around it. He’s one of those truly good, gentle souls... how am I even supposed to help him?

Help might actually be practical: a total overhaul of his diet. It sounds trivial, but it isn't. Our nervous system and glands are heavily dependent on what we eat; you can modulate a lot of biological functions through nutrition.
My advice would be to switch to vegetables (leafy greens are a must) and fruit, plus prebiotics and probiotics (if not store-bought, then fermented veggies). That way, he builds a quality microbiome to stabilize his consciousness. Most of the chemistry governing our functioning and mood actually originates in the gut.

It’s a shame he didn't find the truth sooner. In later years, it's harder to accept reality because you lack the foundation to withstand it—especially when processing things through external media. In that case, there is no "self" involved, just intellectual realization. It’s like being naked and having to carry a coat in your hands; it's exhausting and frustrating. In the first scenario, you clothe yourself with the weight of knowledge as you grow; you carry the burden, but at least you aren't exposed.

If he manages to follow these suggestions (including some supplements), he could achieve stability and become a strong, independent individual capable of progressing regardless of his environment.

That path is much harder, but the payoff is worth it. I should clarify: it isn't necessarily agonizing, just demanding. Think of it like being an athlete—it's tough, but the results provide enough satisfaction to keep you going.

I don't know if he actually made himself clear on this—if he honestly thinks everything is just one giant, inescapable pile of crap and misery (which, let's be real, I don't even know how to argue against or prove otherwise), then fine. Just move on! Seriously. Take that whole "everything is garbage and suffering" attitude, throw it right into the trash along with all his precious "proof" and whatever else... If someone is drowning in agony, melancholy, and total defeat, why the hell can't they just take that step forward? ???... Rip that mindset out by the roots, toss those feelings aside, and just walk. One less pile of shit to deal with.

Maybe his current state is just a symptom of him white-knuckling an ego that’s already crumbling. Losing your sense of self is terrifying if you're clinging to that mask like it's part of your actual skin. Letting go is an act of sacrifice. It's dying before you actually die. You have to sacrifice everything you think you are, everything you claim to know about existence, souls, karma, love, good, evil, God, the devil, and all that other stuff. If he actually approaches this with total honesty—this sacrifice where he is the main victim—then he'll basically experience a gravitational freefall into one of the most incredible voids imaginable... the one leading straight to the center of his own being... but no, no, no, no... whatever. I hope he finds happiness in all of it, and I hope you and everyone else do too.

Morgan Peterson6 said:He’s got a job, a family, and pets he absolutely adores—plus he squeezes in sports whenever he can.
He isn't some depressed guy walking around with a dark cloud over his head; you wouldn't even tell by talking to him—he laughs, he jokes...
I was talking to him yesterday, and when I told him he sounded depressed, he just said, "No, I'm just sad."
He says that after everything he's searched for, there's just this emptiness inside him.
There's nothing left to hold onto.
He just doesn't see the point in existing anymore.

He's really into that whole New Age thing—not like following gurus or those weird authors, but more about how we perceive our origins and where we go once we leave this dimension.
He thinks we're all just puppets in some kind of Matrix.
And honestly? That's what's killing him.

I don't know—I'm letting it go. I tried, but it's just not working.

I'm giving up.🙂

I don't even know why I started this thread. I care about him so much, but I just don't have the capacity to help him myself—our perspectives are worlds apart. Everything I say or offer as a solution just doesn't resonate with him because my idea of God and his idea of God are completely different... and frankly, I don't know anything about his version of God, and I'm not a fan of it either.

He seems to believe we're all stuck in a Matrix built by a Little God who keeps everything caged because this world is just part of his Creation and he's the one pulling the strings. He thinks it's impossible to break out of that Creation since we're basically trapped inside it, being toyed with in a thousand different ways by a thousand different faces and things. But I suppose, if that's true, then there must be another, Higher God who exists above the one enslaving us. The first thing I'd ask him is, what actual proof is there that we're really in a Matrix? Is there any visible, tangible evidence that we actually are? And even if he's just assuming it, my second question would be, does it even matter if we are? Like, is beauty, love, and fulfillment maybe just a manifestation of the true Self, or that higher God? If that's the case, then why waste any time with the smaller one?

Joseph Bailey41 said:I have a dog who is incredibly smart and sweet. Aside from the obvious bias, he really is the best dog I've ever known. But sometimes, he gets so profoundly sad... you know, when he looks at you with those soulful eyes that seem to reflect the entire hopelessness and futility of existence? That overwhelming cosmic melancholy? In those moments, you Must just toss him a piece of deli meat, because he truly looks like he hasn't eaten in a month.

Whenever there’s a neighborhood cookout or a block party, he shows up. He doesn't bark, he doesn't cause trouble, and he isn't annoying. He just sits there, looking mournful. It's impossible to stay indifferent; only a complete sociopath could deny him a bite of a burger, a slice of pizza, or some bacon... because it's the least we can do to soothe that endless, universal sorrow.

To be clear, he isn't neglected. He isn't "depressed." He goes on regular walks through the woods with us, sleeps in the bed, gets plenty of affection, loves his cats, and the kids absolutely adore him. Most of the time, he’s happy and upbeat. But there are those specific moments where only a completely heartless person could ignore his sadness.

Shallow, literal-minded people would say the clever pup just figured out a brilliant way to manipulate us for treats... but I simply refuse to believe that. ☕

Brilliant.
I really wish I could see him.

Joseph Bailey41 said:I have a dog who is incredibly smart and sweet. Aside from the obvious bias, he really is the best dog I've ever known. But sometimes, he gets so profoundly sad... you know, when he looks at you with those soulful eyes that seem to reflect the entire hopelessness and futility of existence? That overwhelming cosmic melancholy? In those moments, you Must just toss him a piece of deli meat, because he truly looks like he hasn't eaten in a month.

Whenever there’s a neighborhood cookout or a block party, he shows up. He doesn't bark, he doesn't cause trouble, and he isn't annoying. He just sits there, looking mournful. It's impossible to stay indifferent; only a complete sociopath could deny him a bite of a burger, a slice of pizza, or some bacon... because it's the least we can do to soothe that endless, universal sorrow.

To be clear, he isn't neglected. He isn't "depressed." He goes on regular walks through the woods with us, sleeps in the bed, gets plenty of affection, loves his cats, and the kids absolutely adore him. Most of the time, he’s happy and upbeat. But there are those specific moments where only a completely heartless person could ignore his sadness.

Shallow, literal-minded people would say the clever pup just figured out a brilliant way to manipulate us for treats... but I simply refuse to believe that. ☕

Great post!

Every depressive soul and moody hipster should read this aloud daily under the threat of being denied dinner.

Spoiled brats would read it as an excuse for their mothers to coddle their oversized problems and justify why they won't move their lazy asses. 😂

Unlike that magnificent creature, who clearly understands how humans actually work. 👍

mellowbadger0 said:I concur

However, I would argue that experiencing depression due to spiritual matters is essentially a symptom of an inability to reconcile oneself with the harsh reality that life, illness, suffering, and pain often lack any inherent meaning. It is much like a group of idealistic reformers who yearn to reshape the world into something better, yet find themselves paralyzed because they cannot accept the world exactly as it exists right now.

Exactly! Tell them like it is. Just a bunch of damn idealists, bigots, and emotional manipulators.
The real move? You should probably just saddle that beast up and pull the reins tight so it actually gets to work—plowing, digging, doing something useful.
What, you want to give it pills so it feels all "great"? Please. Let it see what a real life looks like.

Meditation.
Just constant nasal breathing—inhale, exhale, over and over. Just focus entirely on the air coming in and the air going out.
Chew your food properly, walk upright, don't slouch like a zombie.
And this part is huge: actually acknowledge people when you see them on the street—friends, acquaintances, even a stranger now and then—and for heaven's sake, smile.
Pray on Sundays at church, or a mosque, or chant mantras, or just try to wrap your head around Taoism... whatever works.
Write down your to-do list, actually do the stuff, and stop overcommitting yourself like an idiot.
Purge the toxins from your system—that means kicking the cigarettes, the booze, and the mindless overeating...
Remember fear. Fear of a bad medical diagnosis, fear of people, fear of absolutely everything...
Realize that things have already been at their worst, so they can only get better... because you've already hit rock bottom, and there aren't any negative numbers.
There's just zero, and after zero, you start back at one... minus one is just a mental illusion.
And most importantly...
DO NOT listen to the news. Total, absolute ignorance is the way to go.

Morgan Peterson6 said:He’s in such a dark place—some days he even messages me saying he just wants to be erased, to simply cease existing. He’s craving nonexistence. He’s been on this deep journey of awakening for years now, soaking up all kinds of literature and life experiences... and now? He just can't find any meaning in anything. He says he hasn't found a single thing that gives him hope that we’re here for any reason other than being food.
He honestly views this whole world as a flawed piece of work—like something went wrong during the Creation. He thinks we're just programmed, living in some kind of matrix where entities stomp all over us like we're characters in a video game with zero free will. He doesn't find any joy in life; he's just deeply, profoundly unhappy. He can't stand the injustice and the sheer pain of this dimension. I can feel his sadness... and it makes me so sad just being around it. He’s one of those truly good, gentle souls... how am I even supposed to help him?

I've lived with the feeling that I don't belong here my entire life. Sometimes it's hard, especially when you look at how "carefree" everyone else seems.

I've been in that phase before. Eventually, he'll realize that earthly life is just a millisecond of our existence. The goal is to stay in the "here and now," practicing a constant state of joy, focus, balance, and positive impact on others. We keep coming back here until we become perfect Love.

It's nothing to fear; if grace allows, God will reveal Himself to him right when he hits the absolute lowest point of his life.

God is the ultimate catalyst for hitting a high state of joy instantly—stronger than any meditation or Gnostic practice. Those methods have been diluted over time, with only half-truths being passed down to the masses.

Certain prayers don't even require faith; the mere act of reciting them tunes the body to a higher vibration, something people usually try to achieve through meditation.

Meditating on the word Jesus provides an instant boost in joy, whether someone is a believer or not, after just a few minutes of persistence.

Instant synchronicities, or even miracles, will be the only proof he needs that he isn't just "tripping."

I'm 35, and by any standard of what this society considers successful, I've made it by every metric that is Country relevant. (I'm mentioning this because of that one commenter calling this a "psychiatric case.")

I don't have to agree with the system, but while I'm here, I'll either follow it or build my own.

If he's an air sign, he probably tends to overthink, so you should probably stop him from falling down those endless rabbit holes of research.

Some hard-learned advice:

In this physical body, it is impossible to know everything; don't try.
Find a spiritual mentor.
God is always there.
Whether it's Reptilians, Illuminati, or whoever has been running things for the last 100,000 years, you're only living 90. Plenty of people live happy lives without ever hearing about any of that. Besides, those entities are energy; they aren't on this physical plane. You are part of an awakening process that will take generations.

YouTube ayahuasca experience.
Light follows the darkness.
Look into the dark night of the soul.
Be the change you want to see in others.
Love is the key.

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Joshua Patel6 said:He’s finally found an audience for his New Jersey ramblings. It seems these types are always searching for someone to impress, aren't they? Honestly, his sense of humor is stuck at the level of a petulant teenager—there is absolutely nothing profound about it. If there is any depth to be found, it’s merely a form of intellectual snobbery. I find it truly hard to believe that people accept this as something special; to me, it feels incredibly tired and childish. Furthermore, I simply cannot reconcile that particular way of thinking with actual human virtue.

If you can't do something but someone else can, what does that actually say about you?

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ruggedcyclist55 said:I've lived with the feeling that I don't belong here my entire life. Sometimes it's hard, especially when you look at how "carefree" everyone else seems.

I've been in that phase before. Eventually, he'll realize that earthly life is just a millisecond of our existence. The goal is to stay in the "here and now," practicing a constant state of joy, focus, balance, and positive impact on others. We keep coming back here until we become perfect Love.

It's nothing to fear; if grace allows, God will reveal Himself to him right when he hits the absolute lowest point of his life.

God is the ultimate catalyst for hitting a high state of joy instantly—stronger than any meditation or Gnostic practice. Those methods have been diluted over time, with only half-truths being passed down to the masses.

Certain prayers don't even require faith; the mere act of reciting them tunes the body to a higher vibration, something people usually try to achieve through meditation.

Meditating on the word Jesus provides an instant boost in joy, whether someone is a believer or not, after just a few minutes of persistence.

Instant synchronicities, or even miracles, will be the only proof he needs that he isn't just "tripping."

I'm 35, and by any standard of what this society considers successful, I've made it by every metric that is Country relevant. (I'm mentioning this because of that one commenter calling this a "psychiatric case.")

I don't have to agree with the system, but while I'm here, I'll either follow it or build my own.

If he's an air sign, he probably tends to overthink, so you should probably stop him from falling down those endless rabbit holes of research.

Some hard-learned advice:

In this physical body, it is impossible to know everything; don't try.
Find a spiritual mentor.
God is always there.
Whether it's Reptilians, Illuminati, or whoever has been running things for the last 100,000 years, you're only living 90. Plenty of people live happy lives without ever hearing about any of that. Besides, those entities are energy; they aren't on this physical plane. You are part of an awakening process that will take generations.

YouTube ayahuasca experience.
Light follows the darkness.
Look into the dark night of the soul.
Be the change you want to see in others.
Love is the key.

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Reddit interesting perspective. I actually deal with that same sense of not belonging myself (it peaked quite heavily over the last few days), but it never occurred to me to link it to Reptilians or the Illuminati. Honestly, there is no worse "reptile" than an unconscious human being. People are their own worst enemies; they don't need aliens to make their lives miserable.

The struggles for power, dominance, influence, and control... that's the worst kind of evil there is. And it's going to take many more years before humanity outgrows this infantile stage.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Reddit interesting perspective. I actually deal with that same sense of not belonging myself (it peaked quite heavily over the last few days), but it never occurred to me to link it to Reptilians or the Illuminati. Honestly, there is no worse "reptile" than an unconscious human being. People are their own worst enemies; they don't need aliens to make their lives miserable.

The struggles for power, dominance, influence, and control... that's the worst kind of evil there is. And it's going to take many more years before humanity outgrows this infantile stage.

Where did I even mention aliens, reptiles, or the Illuminati in my post?

I think you're misquoting me.

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Morgan Peterson6 said:He’s in such a dark place—some days he even messages me saying he just wants to be erased, to simply cease existing. He’s craving nonexistence. He’s been on this deep journey of awakening for years now, soaking up all kinds of literature and life experiences... and now? He just can't find any meaning in anything. He says he hasn't found a single thing that gives him hope that we’re here for any reason other than being food.
He honestly views this whole world as a flawed piece of work—like something went wrong during the Creation. He thinks we're just programmed, living in some kind of matrix where entities stomp all over us like we're characters in a video game with zero free will. He doesn't find any joy in life; he's just deeply, profoundly unhappy. He can't stand the injustice and the sheer pain of this dimension. I can feel his sadness... and it makes me so sad just being around it. He’s one of those truly good, gentle souls... how am I even supposed to help him?

I’ve been feeling pretty much the same way for about twenty years now. It’s not that I’m suicidal, per se, but there’s this recurring wish when I lay down at night that I just wouldn't wake up. Honestly, I just don't see the point in putting in any effort when you're surrounded by such a selfish environment that refuses to give you any credit, especially since time eventually wipes everything away anyway. Whatever you manage to achieve today, you’re right back at square one tomorrow—just maintaining these superficial work connections, shallow family ties, and hollow romantic relationships. We live in a society that is so comfortable, so self-absorbed, and so incredibly satiated that human connection has dwindled down to nothing more than a tool for feeding one's own ego. A lot of people don't even need other humans anymore; they just go out and get some primitive four-legged "friends" instead. It feels like living in this twisted, narcissistic, sociopathic culture where everyone is just looking out for their own skin, treating everyone else as mere instruments for their own advancement or survival. I was raised to be helpful, to be a team player, and I’ve always strived to be that person, but over time it’s become painfully clear to me that "teamwork" is an abstract concept to the vast majority of people. I struggle to find purpose in working hard when that effort yields absolutely nothing unless I am directly stroking someone's ego. I can't bring myself to live just for myself, yet I can't live for others either because people are, frankly, repulsive and can't see past the tip of their own noses. I wish I could just be apathetic toward everything, but I wasn't wired to ignore all the bullshit happening around me; I was wired to act so there would be less of it... even though, as time goes on, there seems to be more and more. It’s as if my entire reality is upside down. I can't control the world, and I certainly can't rewire the synapses in my long-adult, plastic brain. Even though on paper I have everything—family, a social circle, education, a career, money, looks, intelligence—I feel like I have nothing at all. I just feel completely empty and useless.