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What do you think heaven looks like?

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Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#101 ·
cosmicdriver42 said:But what happens if dementia hits and you lose your grip on everything? Is there dementia in heaven, too?

It really comes down to what the "Soul" actually is—versus just the "package" you pick up during life, like your personality being shaped by experience.
Austin Hughes2 Austin Hughes2 Member
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#102 ·
There are plenty of questions floating around, and if we’re being honest, there are actually a few answers out there too—it’s just that hardly anyone has bothered to circle back and confirm what the actual truth is.
cosmicdriver42 cosmicdriver42 Active Member
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#103 ·
Austin Hughes2 said:There are plenty of questions floating around, and if we’re being honest, there are actually a few answers out there too—it’s just that hardly anyone has bothered to circle back and confirm what the actual truth is.

It would be great if there were an afterlife after all this, but unfortunately, there isn't...
Lisa Jackson7 Lisa Jackson7 Regular
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#104 ·
cosmicdriver42 said:It would be great if there were an afterlife after all this, but unfortunately, there isn't...

Just go out and make some biological—or "spiritual"—kids and you'll live forever... or just wait for this... CRYOGENIC SLEEP IS OUR BEST HOPE FOR INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#105 ·
cosmicdriver42 said:It would be great if there were an afterlife after all this, but unfortunately, there isn't...

No one actually knows for sure.

Perhaps after this life, you'll become me or someone else—maybe even the most annoying person on this forum. 😁
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#106 ·
Lisa Jackson7 said:Just go out and make some biological—or "spiritual"—kids and you'll live forever... or just wait for this... CRYOGENIC SLEEP IS OUR BEST HOPE FOR INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL

I’ve actually been thinking about how we might preserve our DNA somewhere—perhaps they could reconstruct us once the technology catches up. My only concern is that our raw, unedited genetic code, with all its inherent flaws and imperfections, might not be particularly high-quality material for future generations to work with.🤔 😁
coastalwalker9 coastalwalker9 Active Member
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#107 ·
mistybison said:I’ve actually been thinking about how we might preserve our DNA somewhere—perhaps they could reconstruct us once the technology catches up. My only concern is that our raw, unedited genetic code, with all its inherent flaws and imperfections, might not be particularly high-quality material for future generations to work with.🤔 😁

And just imagine if some shady organization, a criminal syndicate, a cult, or even aliens got their hands on that biological data. They’d exploit it relentlessly, running endless experiments on you and cloning you over and over again without a second thought.😲
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#108 ·
coastalwalker9 said:And just imagine if some shady organization, a criminal syndicate, a cult, or even aliens got their hands on that biological data. They’d exploit it relentlessly, running endless experiments on you and cloning you over and over again without a second thought.😲

😢

Perhaps in some distant future, we will see people cultivating clones just like they do in the movies. The Island They would have exploited their organs for their own gain.

I wonder what religions and various spiritual organizations will make of cloning. 🤔 Will clones possess souls as well? 🤔

If I were to clone myself ten times, what exactly becomes of those clones once I pass away? 🤔

There is enough potential here to write a truly compelling sci-fi or fantasy novel. 🙂
cosmicdriver42 cosmicdriver42 Active Member
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#109 ·
mistybison said:I’ve actually been thinking about how we might preserve our DNA somewhere—perhaps they could reconstruct us once the technology catches up. My only concern is that our raw, unedited genetic code, with all its inherent flaws and imperfections, might not be particularly high-quality material for future generations to work with.🤔 😁

You can save as much data as you want, but at that point, it isn't even you anymore; it's just someone else...

mistybison said:😢

Perhaps in some distant future, we will see people cultivating clones just like they do in the movies. The Island They would have exploited their organs for their own gain.

I wonder what religions and various spiritual organizations will make of cloning. 🤔 Will clones possess souls as well? 🤔

If I were to clone myself ten times, what exactly becomes of those clones once I pass away? 🤔

There is enough potential here to write a truly compelling sci-fi or fantasy novel. 🙂

They eventually die off, and they won't have anything to do with you anyway...
George Wood2 George Wood2 Active Member
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#110 ·
I am of the opinion that "heaven" is merely a state of consciousness where one simply becomes everything that Is.

That whole concept of "Love
".
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#111 ·
George Wood2 said:I am of the opinion that "heaven" is merely a state of consciousness where one simply becomes everything that Is.

That whole concept of "Love
".

There’s an old Zen story about a warrior Samurai who once impulsively approached Zen Master Hakuin, demanding an explanation of the true nature of heaven and hell.

The master gave him a pretty dismissive response:
"You call yourself a Samurai? Please, I wouldn't even trust someone as unrefined as you to watch my sheep!"

The Samurai's pride was wounded. He flew into a rage, drew his sword from its sheath, and shouted:
"Your arrogance is enough to make me kill you right here!"

"That," the master replied calmly, "is hell."

Stunned by the sudden realization of how much anger had taken hold of him, the Samurai calmed down, sheathed his blade, and bowed to the master in gratitude for the lesson.

"And that," said the master, "is heaven."
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 RegularOP
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#112 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:There’s an old Zen story about a warrior Samurai who once impulsively approached Zen Master Hakuin, demanding an explanation of the true nature of heaven and hell.

The master gave him a pretty dismissive response:
"You call yourself a Samurai? Please, I wouldn't even trust someone as unrefined as you to watch my sheep!"

The Samurai's pride was wounded. He flew into a rage, drew his sword from its sheath, and shouted:
"Your arrogance is enough to make me kill you right here!"

"That," the master replied calmly, "is hell."

Stunned by the sudden realization of how much anger had taken hold of him, the Samurai calmed down, sheathed his blade, and bowed to the master in gratitude for the lesson.

"And that," said the master, "is heaven."

Honestly, the idea that you have to experience hell first just to understand what heaven is? Total nonsense. That's some pseudo-intellectual garbage philosophy right there.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#113 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Honestly, the idea that you have to experience hell first just to understand what heaven is? Total nonsense. That's some pseudo-intellectual garbage philosophy right there.

You totally missed the point.
cosmicdriver42 cosmicdriver42 Active Member
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#114 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Honestly, the idea that you have to experience hell first just to understand what heaven is? Total nonsense. That's some pseudo-intellectual garbage philosophy right there.

I didn't see it that way at all. She was talking about states of consciousness...
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 RegularOP
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#115 ·
I think I actually nailed the point I was trying to make
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#116 ·
David Vaughn75 said:I think I actually nailed the point I was trying to make

Fair enough. 🤣 👍

But I don't think you actually caught the essence of the story. 🕺
mellowbadger0 mellowbadger0 Member
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#117 ·
David Vaughn75 said:I think I actually nailed the point I was trying to make

Joseph Bailey41 was actually referring to a state of consciousness.

A compelling little narrative, 👍
George Wood2 George Wood2 Active Member
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#118 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:There’s an old Zen story about a warrior Samurai who once impulsively approached Zen Master Hakuin, demanding an explanation of the true nature of heaven and hell.

The master gave him a pretty dismissive response:
"You call yourself a Samurai? Please, I wouldn't even trust someone as unrefined as you to watch my sheep!"

The Samurai's pride was wounded. He flew into a rage, drew his sword from its sheath, and shouted:
"Your arrogance is enough to make me kill you right here!"

"That," the master replied calmly, "is hell."

Stunned by the sudden realization of how much anger had taken hold of him, the Samurai calmed down, sheathed his blade, and bowed to the master in gratitude for the lesson.

"And that," said the master, "is heaven."

How does one... who stands against whom... how can anyone defend themselves in such a state... or
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 RegularOP
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#119 ·
mellowbadger0 said:Joseph Bailey41 was actually referring to a state of consciousness.

A compelling little narrative, 👍

Look, Joseph Bailey41 is just being a total jerk—honestly, she’s clearly trying to make me look like an idiot here.

I was talking about something else entirely, something she completely missed—and honestly, you did too.
mellowbadger0 mellowbadger0 Member
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#120 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Look, Joseph Bailey41 is just being a total jerk—honestly, she’s clearly trying to make me look like an idiot here.

I was talking about something else entirely, something she completely missed—and honestly, you did too.

Why are you being so sensitive?
It isn’t anyone's intention to be malicious just because they attempt to clarify their point through an analogy... let's not overstate the situation.

What you're describing sounds more like those typical New Age beliefs—the idea that paradise is only attained through suffering and hellfire. I suspect Flying operates on a much higher intellectual plane than those elementary superstitions, which is likely why she didn't engage with your specific line of reasoning, rather than her having any ill will toward you.

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