Where is spirituality taking us? Is it getting dangerous?

lonestag15 said:So, is there like... a waiting room phase? A period where the soul just exists without a body before the next reincarnation kicks in? If so, what determines the timing?
And does the soul actually get a say in what it reincarnates into?

Look, the soul has always been around—just like God—no beginning, no end, the whole deal. But basically, it lived in its original spiritual dimension and then, at some point, just decided to jump into this material universe because it wanted to get its hands on matter and rule over it.

The soul picks its own reincarnation path, and God listens—He fulfills everyone's wishes and gives people the bodies they're actually looking for.

David Vaughn75 said:Righteous.

God doesn't send anyone to hell. That's our call. If that's how we choose to live, there isn't a God in the universe who can swoop in and save us. And honestly, escaping hell is easy. Nobody actually earns their way into heaven; we get in purely through God's grace. Heaven equals eternal life.
Easy? Man, being saved from hell is easy—you just offer up some sincere repentance for your sins and boom, you're set.
Let me break it down for you—suppose you live a decent, moral life. You're a solid father, you teach your kid the right way to live, you warn them that drugs are garbage and they should stay far away from that stuff. Then the kid ignores everything, starts using in secret, and dies young. Are you the one at fault for turning their life into a living hell? You can't save someone who has zero interest in being saved.

So, what are you getting at? That God isn't all-powerful because He can't stop someone from heading straight to hell?

I mean, I have never met a single person who actually *wants* to choose hell for themselves—have you?

Well, you'll surely end up there if you're following someone who isn't God. How is He supposed to step in and stop that?
And I'm sure you've met plenty of addicts out there. Why did they start down that dark path? Because they listened to someone telling them what was coming.

David Vaughn75 said:And honestly? That’s the biggest flaw in the whole Christian religion, if you ask me.

If wonderful Buddhists, Muslims, or Hindus are all headed for the scrap heap just because they aren't Christians, then it means God cares way more about the packaging than what's actually inside the box.
It makes it feel like your actions don't matter at all—like you could be out there saving lives, but it won't count unless someone splashes some holy water on your head.

Talk about oversimplifying things. What a joke.

Anthony Perez9 said:Who hasn't heard of that made-up character? They shove him in front of every newborn in the country and push the narrative in every corner of the globe.

And what does "heard of Jesus" even mean? Every Christian sect has its own version of Jesus they swear by. As far as I can tell, the only one who actually "heard" him was Paul after he hit the pavement. Along with a bunch of other dreamers.

Everyone’s heard the story, so nobody gets an excuse if they don't buy in—which means they just head straight for the lake of fire... ☕

The idea that telling people they'll be tossed into Jesus's eternal Inquisition-style camp for being disobedient somehow "refines" the human soul? Honestly, I think it just brutalizes the mind and primes people for religiously sanctioned violence and spiritual stupidity. It's the same old story, whether it's today or thousands of years ago. It's like people back then were barely even human.

So, I went straight to the source and asked Zachary Cox69...

If a person can't be "saved" without acknowledging Jesus—if it's all about faith rather than actually doing good things—then what happens to the people who have never even heard of this Jesus figure but live perfectly decent lives?

I'm curious to see where he stands on that...

David Vaughn75 said:Look, the soul has always been around—just like God—no beginning, no end, the whole deal. But basically, it lived in its original spiritual dimension and then, at some point, just decided to jump into this material universe because it wanted to get its hands on matter and rule over it.

The soul picks its own reincarnation path, and God listens—He fulfills everyone's wishes and gives people the bodies they're actually looking for.

I'm curious though—once the soul leaves the body, does it hang out in that original state for a while before it reincarnates again?

And is it actually possible to reach some kind of peak level of soulful development where reincarnation just stops happening?

lonestag15 said:So, I went straight to the source and asked Zachary Cox69...

If a person can't be "saved" without acknowledging Jesus—if it's all about faith rather than actually doing good things—then what happens to the people who have never even heard of this Jesus figure but live perfectly decent lives?

I'm curious to see where he stands on that...

Just caught this.
My starting point is that God is just—He isn't going to condemn anyone innocent.
There’s an interesting part in the Gospel where it mentions that after Jesus died, He went to preach to those living in darkness (ignorance) before He came as the Savior. So, the deceased are somewhere waiting, and He went to them. Basically, everyone gets a shot.
You can't really blame someone for rejecting someone they never even knew existed.
There’s also stuff in the New Testament about how "Gentiles" might be judged or saved based on moral standards. Essentially, the immoral go to Hell, while the moral don't. I think Paul wrote something along those lines.
Personally, I lean toward that first idea. Everyone will eventually hear about Jesus Savior—whether it's during their life or after. Death isn't the end of the road. God plays fair.
I've seen plenty of testimonies from Jews and Muslims about Jesus appearing to them in dreams and saying, "I am your Savior." It's a lot like what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus. Suddenly, they become Christians. I believe in a just God.

lonestag15 said:I'm curious though—once the soul leaves the body, does it hang out in that original state for a while before it reincarnates again?

And is it actually possible to reach some kind of peak level of soulful development where reincarnation just stops happening?

There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

Wow... you were all believing that right up until the Second Council in Constantinople back in 553.
Then, suddenly, everyone changed their minds...

So, if a Christian dies and makes it to Heaven—provided they had a last-second conversion—they just spend eternity playing the harp and staring at Jesus while He leads the angelic choir. Sounds lovely, doesn't it?

Maybe spend a little more time practicing your musical notes and a little less time studying the Bible.

lonestag15 said:So, I went straight to the source and asked Zachary Cox69...

If a person can't be "saved" without acknowledging Jesus—if it's all about faith rather than actually doing good things—then what happens to the people who have never even heard of this Jesus figure but live perfectly decent lives?

I'm curious to see where he stands on that...

It’s pretty blunt. Good people head straight to Hell if they won't join a specific sect that worships Jesus as God.
He insists that Jesus Christ is the only God, period. In his eyes, if you aren't worshipping Him, you're worshipping something else or Satan, so you're doomed to eternal ruin regardless of how many good things you do:

So, he's basically sending a perfectly nice, faithful forum user like Silver-bear to HELL:

Zachary Cox69 said:Well, you'll surely end up there if you're following someone who isn't God. How is He supposed to step in and stop that?
And I'm sure you've met plenty of addicts out there. Why did they start down that dark path? Because they listened to someone telling them what was coming.

And he low-key compares him to "junkies," clearly implying he knows "what awaits him" if he doesn't fall in love with the hellish Jesus Christ as God (Hell):

Zachary Cox69 said:Well, you'll surely end up there if you're following someone who isn't God. How is He supposed to step in and stop that?
And I'm sure you've met plenty of addicts out there. Why did they start down that dark path? Because they listened to someone telling them what was coming.

Since this is just pure, mindless sadism lacking any shred of empathy, he uses Christian apologetics to claim that before the dead are tossed into Hell, God Jesus will approach them one last time with an ultimatum:

Either you face eternal roasting in my hellish gulag, or you acknowledge me as your personal Savior (to get out of that Hell):

Zachary Cox69 said:Just caught this.
My starting point is that God is just—He isn't going to condemn anyone innocent.
There’s an interesting part in the Gospel where it mentions that after Jesus died, He went to preach to those living in darkness (ignorance) before He came as the Savior. So, the deceased are somewhere waiting, and He went to them. Basically, everyone gets a shot.
You can't really blame someone for rejecting someone they never even knew existed.
There’s also stuff in the New Testament about how "Gentiles" might be judged or saved based on moral standards. Essentially, the immoral go to Hell, while the moral don't. I think Paul wrote something along those lines.
Personally, I lean toward that first idea. Everyone will eventually hear about Jesus Savior—whether it's during their life or after. Death isn't the end of the road. God plays fair.
I've seen plenty of testimonies from Jews and Muslims about Jesus appearing to them in dreams and saying, "I am your Savior." It's a lot like what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus. Suddenly, they become Christians. I believe in a just God.

Based on that statement from Peter (1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6) within the 3rd-century Christian belief system: "Having been made alive in the Spirit, he was also made alive in them, when Christ went forth and preached to the spirits in prison..."
So, after His "death" but before the resurrection, Jesus supposedly visited the spirits of those submerged in the Flood while they were stuck in a dungeon (maybe a waiting room for Hell?). He preached the good news that they could be saved too, if they just bought into His story. Basically, it was a second chance for everyone who missed the boat on that ridiculous Noah's Ark situation. Did everyone in that "dungeon" instantly jump to confessing Jesus when He showed up thousands of years after the Flood, telling them to believe or face immediate incineration in an eternal lake of fire?

The apocryphal "Gospel of Nicodemus" goes into more detail about this trip Jesus took to Hell—His third-day resurrection, ascending to Heaven alongside various saints and Adam; it describes how Satan and the Prince of Hell tried to bar the Gates of Hell against Him, only for Him to shout through a massive storm:

"Lift up your heads, O Gates (of Hell). Oh, let the eternal gates be lifted, for the King of Glory comes."

The whole thing is interesting because it reflects what early Christians actually believed. The idea of descending into Hell wasn't even officially part of the Apostolic Creed until the third century.

Regarding Jesus descending into/over/above Hell and the current chatter in the Catholic Church catechism:

CHRIST DESCENDED OVER HELL

"It was these very holy souls, waiting for their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Jesus liberated when He descended to the dead." Jesus didn't descend over Hell to free the damned nor to destroy the hell of curses, but to release the righteous who came before Him.
634 "That is why He preached the Gospel even to the dead" (1 Peter 4:6).
635 Christ therefore descended into the depths of death, so that "the dead might hear the voice of the Son of God and those who heard Him might live."

"Silence! God has fallen asleep! Search for Adam and Eve in their chains."

A great silence now reigns upon the earth, a profound silence and a vast loneliness. A great silence because the King sleeps. The earth trembled and then stilled because God fell asleep in the flesh and went to wake those who had been sleeping for ages (...). He goes to seek Adam, our forefather, the lost sheep. He desires to descend to walk among all who sit in darkness and the shadow of death. He seeks to release Adam from his chains and Eve, who is bound with him—He being at once their God and their Son (...).

Zachary Cox69 said:Just caught this.
My starting point is that God is just—He isn't going to condemn anyone innocent.
There’s an interesting part in the Gospel where it mentions that after Jesus died, He went to preach to those living in darkness (ignorance) before He came as the Savior. So, the deceased are somewhere waiting, and He went to them. Basically, everyone gets a shot.
You can't really blame someone for rejecting someone they never even knew existed.
There’s also stuff in the New Testament about how "Gentiles" might be judged or saved based on moral standards. Essentially, the immoral go to Hell, while the moral don't. I think Paul wrote something along those lines.
Personally, I lean toward that first idea. Everyone will eventually hear about Jesus Savior—whether it's during their life or after. Death isn't the end of the road. God plays fair.
I've seen plenty of testimonies from Jews and Muslims about Jesus appearing to them in dreams and saying, "I am your Savior." It's a lot like what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus. Suddenly, they become Christians. I believe in a just God.

And every single frog in the deepest Amazon rainforest has heard the propaganda about Jesus Christ.

Zachary Cox69 said:Just caught this.
My starting point is that God is just—He isn't going to condemn anyone innocent.
There’s an interesting part in the Gospel where it mentions that after Jesus died, He went to preach to those living in darkness (ignorance) before He came as the Savior. So, the deceased are somewhere waiting, and He went to them. Basically, everyone gets a shot.
You can't really blame someone for rejecting someone they never even knew existed.
There’s also stuff in the New Testament about how "Gentiles" might be judged or saved based on moral standards. Essentially, the immoral go to Hell, while the moral don't. I think Paul wrote something along those lines.
Personally, I lean toward that first idea. Everyone will eventually hear about Jesus Savior—whether it's during their life or after. Death isn't the end of the road. God plays fair.
I've seen plenty of testimonies from Jews and Muslims about Jesus appearing to them in dreams and saying, "I am your Savior." It's a lot like what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus. Suddenly, they become Christians. I believe in a just God.

What's that supposed to mean?
Where do you get the nerve to call people on this forum immoral just because they believe in a different God than yours?

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

Those are just isolated cases used for Christian propaganda. Muslims do the same thing, bragging about how some Christian decided to convert to Islam.

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

Like Zachary Cox69, for example. 🤣

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

So basically, you can be moral and kind, helping other Jews, but if you heard those shaky fairy tales about Jesus from some random Greek guy and didn't buy it, you're headed straight for a hellish concentration camp.

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

Yeah, because every stray cat in rural Alabama has heard about Jesus.

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

Oh, right, after Jesus threatens to toss them into a lake of fire....

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

😵

wearyowl29 said:Wow... you were all believing that right up until the Second Council in Constantinople back in 553.
Then, suddenly, everyone changed their minds...

So, if a Christian dies and makes it to Heaven—provided they had a last-second conversion—they just spend eternity playing the harp and staring at Jesus while He leads the angelic choir. Sounds lovely, doesn't it?

Maybe spend a little more time practicing your musical notes and a little less time studying the Bible.

Not quite. That sounds like one of those skewed, forced interpretations you see floating around New Age circles.

1 - We aren't talking about reincarnation here, but rather the preexistence of the soul (I assume you're referring to the views held by Origen and his supporters which were rejected at the council; people often mistakenly lump this up with New Age reincarnation, which is just wrong))

2 - Christians weren't a monolith believing this before then. You had certain Christian authors holding that position (a view that existed in the Greek world long before Christianity), while others denied it entirely. The council eventually ruled that the latter group was right. It wasn't some universally accepted Christian doctrine leading up to the council.

Beyond that, Protestants—depending on the denomination—don't necessarily accept the authority of that council (acceptance varies among the various pre-schismatic groups), so there's no rule saying Pat has to buy into it either. I don't know the Protestant world intimately, but my sense is that Baptists and similar strict Sola Scriptura types stick to the Jerusalem standard (or at least align with it informally, though I'm not sure how formal that alignment actually is)) and tend to view later councils as being too influenced by politics.

bluemason3 said:Not quite. That sounds like one of those skewed, forced interpretations you see floating around New Age circles.

1 - We aren't talking about reincarnation here, but rather the preexistence of the soul (I assume you're referring to the views held by Origen and his supporters which were rejected at the council; people often mistakenly lump this up with New Age reincarnation, which is just wrong))

2 - Christians weren't a monolith believing this before then. You had certain Christian authors holding that position (a view that existed in the Greek world long before Christianity), while others denied it entirely. The council eventually ruled that the latter group was right. It wasn't some universally accepted Christian doctrine leading up to the council.

Beyond that, Protestants—depending on the denomination—don't necessarily accept the authority of that council (acceptance varies among the various pre-schismatic groups), so there's no rule saying Pat has to buy into it either. I don't know the Protestant world intimately, but my sense is that Baptists and similar strict Sola Scriptura types stick to the Jerusalem standard (or at least align with it informally, though I'm not sure how formal that alignment actually is)) and tend to view later councils as being too influenced by politics.

👍

Anyway, they changed their minds a bit, and now instead of souls pre-existing, they just exist eternally in Heaven.

wearyowl29 said:Wow... you were all believing that right up until the Second Council in Constantinople back in 553.
Then, suddenly, everyone changed their minds...

So, if a Christian dies and makes it to Heaven—provided they had a last-second conversion—they just spend eternity playing the harp and staring at Jesus while He leads the angelic choir. Sounds lovely, doesn't it?

Maybe spend a little more time practicing your musical notes and a little less time studying the Bible.

And what’s so weird about that?
If someone you actually love asks for forgiveness—and I mean real, heartfelt forgiveness—you'll forgive them, sure. But you're also going to tell them they need to kneel on corn kernels for 100 days, fast for 40, whip themselves, and eat nothing but vegetables for two years or something.
If your kid begs for forgiveness for something, you're going to make them suffer through penance for years before they finally earn that mercy. Honestly, this version of "mercy" you're preaching makes me sick.

Zachary Cox69 said:And what’s so weird about that?
If someone you actually love asks for forgiveness—and I mean real, heartfelt forgiveness—you'll forgive them, sure. But you're also going to tell them they need to kneel on corn kernels for 100 days, fast for 40, whip themselves, and eat nothing but vegetables for two years or something.
If your kid begs for forgiveness for something, you're going to make them suffer through penance for years before they finally earn that mercy. Honestly, this version of "mercy" you're preaching makes me sick.

That's some straight-up garbage right there.

Zachary Cox69 said:Well, you'll surely end up there if you're following someone who isn't God. How is He supposed to step in and stop that?
And I'm sure you've met plenty of addicts out there. Why did they start down that dark path? Because they listened to someone telling them what was coming.

And how can you be so sure you're right and I'm not?

Maybe salvation only exists in Budapest, which would mean everyone else—except Buddhists—is toast. Prove me wrong.

lonestag15 said:I'm curious though—once the soul leaves the body, does it hang out in that original state for a while before it reincarnates again?

And is it actually possible to reach some kind of peak level of soulful development where reincarnation just stops happening?

Solid questions. Honestly.

Michael Newton spent his career doing regression work—basically this hypnotic method where people dive back into their past lives—and he claims that between incarnations, people actually get to choose which body they move into next. It's almost like picking out gear at a Walmart. 😁 He wrote this book called "Life Before Life" where he breaks down all the cases he worked on using that regression technique.

As for your second point: once you fully surrender yourself to God, you can head back to the spiritual realm where the whole cycle of being born and dying just... ends. No more rebirth.

Hypnotic regression 🤦 🤦 🤦

Actually, more like non-hypnotic regression 🤦 🤦 🤦 🤦 🤦 🤦

David Vaughn75 said:And how can you be so sure you're right and I'm not?

Maybe salvation only exists in Budapest, which would mean everyone else—except Buddhists—is toast. Prove me wrong.

Solid questions. Honestly.

Michael Newton spent his career doing regression work—basically this hypnotic method where people dive back into their past lives—and he claims that between incarnations, people actually get to choose which body they move into next. It's almost like picking out gear at a Walmart. 😁 He wrote this book called "Life Before Life" where he breaks down all the cases he worked on using that regression technique.

As for your second point: once you fully surrender yourself to God, you can head back to the spiritual realm where the whole cycle of being born and dying just... ends. No more rebirth.

I read his "Journey of Souls," but honestly, everything just blurred together with all those different theories and now I can't make heads or tails of any of it... haha...

As for regression... yeah, hmm... definitely some sketchy territory there...

David Vaughn75 said:And how can you be so sure you're right and I'm not?

Maybe salvation only exists in Budapest, which would mean everyone else—except Buddhists—is toast. Prove me wrong.

Solid questions. Honestly.

Michael Newton spent his career doing regression work—basically this hypnotic method where people dive back into their past lives—and he claims that between incarnations, people actually get to choose which body they move into next. It's almost like picking out gear at a Walmart. 😁 He wrote this book called "Life Before Life" where he breaks down all the cases he worked on using that regression technique.

As for your second point: once you fully surrender yourself to God, you can head back to the spiritual realm where the whole cycle of being born and dying just... ends. No more rebirth.

It feels only fair that after death, you get to exist in your true state for whatever amount of time you've earned, and then eventually you're sent back... and it keeps going like that until you hit some ultimate peak where you finally don't need a physical body anymore (again!). Like reaching the finish line of a life lived to its absolute max...

The soul would basically be like a cloud that slowly dissipates, and at some point, it has to "fall" back into a body—depending on how much cohesion that little cloud has, the longer it lasts before it finally "drops" back down...

Kind of cool, I guess... making up my own theory... 😁

Zachary Cox69 said:And what’s so weird about that?
If someone you actually love asks for forgiveness—and I mean real, heartfelt forgiveness—you'll forgive them, sure. But you're also going to tell them they need to kneel on corn kernels for 100 days, fast for 40, whip themselves, and eat nothing but vegetables for two years or something.
If your kid begs for forgiveness for something, you're going to make them suffer through penance for years before they finally earn that mercy. Honestly, this version of "mercy" you're preaching makes me sick.

Look, I'm not talking down to you, but seriously, take a page out of my book... if you've got nobody else to learn from.

It isn't about being "merciful." It's about realizing when a mistake was made.
Self-regulation is way more beneficial than any punishment could ever be. It’s all about that internal realization that your behavior was off.

That's how you see it, right? That once you pass away, you'll just be floating around listening to Jesus's playlist and angels singing forever.
But let me tell you, the very first thing that happens is you get brought back down to earth to learn some discipline...
because life isn't some one-time trip to a music festival; it's a bloody, difficult school meant to prepare you for eternity.

wearyowl29 said:Look, I'm not talking down to you, but seriously, take a page out of my book... if you've got nobody else to learn from.

It isn't about being "merciful." It's about realizing when a mistake was made.
Self-regulation is way more beneficial than any punishment could ever be. It’s all about that internal realization that your behavior was off.

That's how you see it, right? That once you pass away, you'll just be floating around listening to Jesus's playlist and angels singing forever.
But let me tell you, the very first thing that happens is you get brought back down to earth to learn some discipline...
because life isn't some one-time trip to a music festival; it's a bloody, difficult school meant to prepare you for eternity.

Anyone who truly understands they messed up doesn't need an extra slap on the wrist.
It's like a kid crying, "Mom, please forgive me for failing my classes, I promise it won't happen again!" And you respond, "Okay, I forgive you, I see you're sorry, but I'm still going to give you a good whipping."
That's a pretty strange way to treat someone you actually love.

What kind of music are we even talking about here? We don't really know what it'll be like when we meet God—the Bible doesn't go into much detail on that. I just trust that a good God will make sure everything is alright.

Zachary Cox69 said:Anyone who truly understands they messed up doesn't need an extra slap on the wrist.
It's like a kid crying, "Mom, please forgive me for failing my classes, I promise it won't happen again!" And you respond, "Okay, I forgive you, I see you're sorry, but I'm still going to give you a good whipping."
That's a pretty strange way to treat someone you actually love.

What kind of music are we even talking about here? We don't really know what it'll be like when we meet God—the Bible doesn't go into much detail on that. I just trust that a good God will make sure everything is alright.

Hardly anyone ever admits they were wrong, let alone actually changes their ways after getting called out. I guess "psychology" just isn't your thing, huh?

What else are you going to do, just sit around and watch everyone else live their lives?
You'll be playing the flute for eternity!🤣

The Bible doesn't really give us a play-by-play description of Heaven, yet everyone seems so certain it exists.
That whole idea of an imaginaran, static state of the soul is just part of that deep-seated desire to spend forever playing the flute and gazing upon Jesus. It’s the only thing you guys have left...

wearyowl29 said:Hardly anyone ever admits they were wrong, let alone actually changes their ways after getting called out. I guess "psychology" just isn't your thing, huh?

What else are you going to do, just sit around and watch everyone else live their lives?
You'll be playing the flute for eternity!🤣

The Bible doesn't really give us a play-by-play description of Heaven, yet everyone seems so certain it exists.
That whole idea of an imaginaran, static state of the soul is just part of that deep-seated desire to spend forever playing the flute and gazing upon Jesus. It’s the only thing you guys have left...

There’s more to it. Beyond just bowing down to God and His little inner circle (Mary, Paul & Peter, the apostles, all the saints, Moses, Noah, those holy inquisitors, Bozanic, and the patriotic types), you get a front-row seat to a live reality show giving you a crystal-clear view of the damned suffering in hell (just as that doctor of empty theology, Saint Thomas Aquinas, laid it out).
If your parents were atheists or followed some faith that wasn't Catholic or Christian enough, you'll get the joy of watching them sizzle eternally in the fires of hell, gnashing their teeth and weeping (by the grace of their Lord, Jesus Christ).


"Where is this spirituality taking us? Is it dangerous or what?"

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