COVID-19 updates and discussion

Emily Kim3 said:I honestly can’t wrap my head around whether people driving in from Austria or Germany are actually required to sit through 15 days of self-isolation once they hit the States.
Yesterday and today, I noticed a massive influx of cars with out-of-state plates over at the Target parking lot—looks like everyone is hitting the road for the weekend.
It makes me wonder, though... who is actually out there policing these people to make sure they’re following the rules and staying in self-isolation?

Self-isolation is voluntary. House arrest is a different story entirely. Nobody can force you to stay stuck in your house unless you have an actual court order in black and white saying you have to. Guidelines are one thing, but legal rights are another. They're just fear-mongering at this point.

I checked with my lawyer here in the States and he confirmed it. Unless there's a direct order from a judge, you aren't under house arrest for 14 days or whatever. He said the isolation guidelines are basically just advice, and the choice is yours.

As for those fines they're talking about $2.75... he says it's just a scare tactic. It's like the government trying to slap you with a fine $2.75 just because you didn't run to a doctor after sneezing once. Such a law simply doesn't exist. Just like there's no penalty for ignoring self-isolation.

Quarantine is a whole different beast where the state actually has to set the conditions.

Legally speaking, he says if they tell you to self-isolate, it's like me telling you that you have to do 10 pushups before breakfast every day. You decide for yourself.

Quarantine is separate, but there have to be clear indications, not just speculation. Meaning, the US would have to prove you were actually exposed to the virus even if you aren't showing symptoms yet.

He also mentioned: things like a curfew can be interpreted as a top-down mandate, and that's where you could face sanctions for being out in public. He added that quarantine—meaning being isolated in a facility provided by the state—only happens when there's solid evidence you'll definitely develop the illness or pose a health risk to others. If that doesn't happen within the designated timeframe, the person has the right to sue for lost wages, time, and whatever else.

If my lawyer is lying to me, then I'm lying to all of you.

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Rachel Allen55 said:Self-isolation is voluntary. House arrest is a different story entirely. Nobody can force you to stay stuck in your house unless you have an actual court order in black and white saying you have to. Guidelines are one thing, but legal rights are another. They're just fear-mongering at this point.

I checked with my lawyer here in the States and he confirmed it. Unless there's a direct order from a judge, you aren't under house arrest for 14 days or whatever. He said the isolation guidelines are basically just advice, and the choice is yours.

As for those fines they're talking about $2.75... he says it's just a scare tactic. It's like the government trying to slap you with a fine $2.75 just because you didn't run to a doctor after sneezing once. Such a law simply doesn't exist. Just like there's no penalty for ignoring self-isolation.

Quarantine is a whole different beast where the state actually has to set the conditions.

Legally speaking, he says if they tell you to self-isolate, it's like me telling you that you have to do 10 pushups before breakfast every day. You decide for yourself.

Quarantine is separate, but there have to be clear indications, not just speculation. Meaning, the US would have to prove you were actually exposed to the virus even if you aren't showing symptoms yet.

He also mentioned: things like a curfew can be interpreted as a top-down mandate, and that's where you could face sanctions for being out in public. He added that quarantine—meaning being isolated in a facility provided by the state—only happens when there's solid evidence you'll definitely develop the illness or pose a health risk to others. If that doesn't happen within the designated timeframe, the person has the right to sue for lost wages, time, and whatever else.

If my lawyer is lying to me, then I'm lying to all of you.

I truly hope that both you and your "attorney" end up feeling the full weight of the nonsense you've been spewing here. I wish you nothing but the absolute worst.

Thanks, too. Not sure what else to wish you for those big plans of yours.

Back here in the States, they’re basically begging everyone to get out and grab some fresh air, go for walks, and all that stuff.

Maybe we’re just crazy and everyone else actually knows what they're doing.

Rachel Allen55 said:Thanks, too. Not sure what else to wish you for those big plans of yours.

Back here in the States, they’re basically begging everyone to get out and grab some fresh air, go for walks, and all that stuff.

Maybe we’re just crazy and everyone else actually knows what they're doing.

Sure, you can get some fresh air, but for heaven's sake, pick somewhere out in nature where you won't run into anyone—like sitting on a park bench at 10 or 11 PM when the streets are empty. Do that for a month until this whole thing blows over. Fresh air isn't worth much if you're breathing the same air as other people, especially in smaller towns where everybody knows your business and you just can't dodge a conversation if you try...

Had a fever yesterday, but I'm feeling fine today. Still getting this slight pressure in my chest, especially when I take a deep breath, and my digestion is also totally messed up. No other symptoms so far... just wondering if this is the start of something.

Adam Green5 said:Had a fever yesterday, but I'm feeling fine today. Still getting this slight pressure in my chest, especially when I take a deep breath, and my digestion is also totally messed up. No other symptoms so far... just wondering if this is the start of something.

Don't ask on a forum, for goodness sake 😁

There should be medical services available that you can call 😉

Rachel Allen55 said:Thanks, too. Not sure what else to wish you for those big plans of yours.

Back here in the States, they’re basically begging everyone to get out and grab some fresh air, go for walks, and all that stuff.

Maybe we’re just crazy and everyone else actually knows what they're doing.

Over in Mexico, the measures they rolled out a few hours ago are pretty drastic.

Maybe that's just how it works—the lazy and relaxed ones panic during these times, while the disciplined ones start to let their guard down...😁

Now isn't the time to get too comfortable, but we still need to maintain some common sense...

No one is disputing that fresh air matters, but we know how this spreads, and this is a pandemic, so...

Things aren't looking great... https://medium.com/@iperzic/koronavi...h-61730a31ec3c

Hey there! I’m not entirely sure where to ask this, so I figured I’d just try my luck here. Does anyone know if there's a surface disinfectant spray you can use around the apartment that doesn't require rinsing afterward?

neoncyclist792 said:Hey there! I’m not entirely sure where to ask this, so I figured I’d just try my luck here. Does anyone know if there's a surface disinfectant spray you can use around the apartment that doesn't require rinsing afterward?

An isopropyl alcohol solution...

Thanks, I couldn't find anything else anywhere, so I just went ahead and ordered Genox. I've heard a lot of good things about it, so we'll see how it goes.

Dana Brooks3 said:Over in Mexico, the measures they rolled out a few hours ago are pretty drastic.

Maybe that's just how it works—the lazy and relaxed ones panic during these times, while the disciplined ones start to let their guard down...😁

Now isn't the time to get too comfortable, but we still need to maintain some common sense...

No one is disputing that fresh air matters, but we know how this spreads, and this is a pandemic, so...

Out here, layoffs are falling like flies. Society is splitting right down the middle between the people panicking over the virus and those blaming everyone else for going outside—usually families with kids using children and the elderly as their main talking point. Then you've got the folks who actually lost their jobs, who basically don't give a damn about anything anymore. I have a buddy who is a massive panic-monger. He hasn't stepped foot outside in ten days, not even to let the kids out. He won't even open a window. And his wife? She thinks she's a regular genius.

The government is making calls without any real logic behind them, and now the National Health Board is tearing them apart. Not to mention the business community is breathing down their necks, warning of total economic collapse if people don't get back to work and start spending money.

When it comes to the Coronavirus, all anyone talks about now are ICU numbers and some mild cases; the focus has shifted to the recession, job losses, and the ongoing political finger-pointing between the administration and the opposition. Today's press conference with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of the Interior was nothing but pure political theater and circular nonsense. Reporters were hitting them with some heavy questions, but in the end, they just ignored the uncomfortable stuff like they didn't even hear it.

The private sector has basically said the government's stimulus package is just throwing money into a black hole.

No one’s even talking about health anymore. The last two segments on the news were just breakdowns of infection counts. They just tally up the infected. That’s all the "health" talk we get—just medical jargon. Everything else is just politics and economics.

Rachel Allen55 said:Out here, layoffs are falling like flies. Society is splitting right down the middle between the people panicking over the virus and those blaming everyone else for going outside—usually families with kids using children and the elderly as their main talking point. Then you've got the folks who actually lost their jobs, who basically don't give a damn about anything anymore. I have a buddy who is a massive panic-monger. He hasn't stepped foot outside in ten days, not even to let the kids out. He won't even open a window. And his wife? She thinks she's a regular genius.

The government is making calls without any real logic behind them, and now the National Health Board is tearing them apart. Not to mention the business community is breathing down their necks, warning of total economic collapse if people don't get back to work and start spending money.

When it comes to the Coronavirus, all anyone talks about now are ICU numbers and some mild cases; the focus has shifted to the recession, job losses, and the ongoing political finger-pointing between the administration and the opposition. Today's press conference with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of the Interior was nothing but pure political theater and circular nonsense. Reporters were hitting them with some heavy questions, but in the end, they just ignored the uncomfortable stuff like they didn't even hear it.

The private sector has basically said the government's stimulus package is just throwing money into a black hole.

No one’s even talking about health anymore. The last two segments on the news were just breakdowns of infection counts. They just tally up the infected. That’s all the "health" talk we get—just medical jargon. Everything else is just politics and economics.

My brother in Germany is a "panicker" too; he locked himself up with his toddler twenty days ago. It turns out he might have been more realistic than me when he said this is more serious than the flu, especially since he's actually in a group at risk for complications... if he's wrong, I wouldn't judge him. We're just different. I've kept my father in isolation for a long time, while I try to get out as much as possible. When restrictions get tighter, I feel like I'm "doing" something... I still go out, naturally, but I'm extremely careful... we just see things differently, but regardless of our differences, everyone should feel some sense of responsibility toward themselvesand those close to them.

The situation can never be the same in Denmark as it is where I am. In a developing nation with what is officially considered the worst healthcare system in Europe, the paralysis is much stronger. I don't even want to imagine the "what ifs"... prevention carries so much more weight here.

Let them argue about the mess they created. This whole economic situation, and how unprepared the world was for it, should serve as a massive lesson on many levels... we'll see...

If you have any questions or need info regarding the coronavirus, please stop calling 911. They've set up a dedicated hotline just for everything related to the virus: 113.

‼️‼️‼️ We need to pressure the government before it’s too late!!! They aren't doing anything to guide people toward alternative methods!!!

Respectfully,

I live here in the States, but I've been closely following what's happening in China for months now. Honestly, if I can see that China has started using Vitamin C for treatment and prevention, why can't you guys?

— Using Vitamin C to treat Coronavirus has been going on for a month already.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rzcheng/videos — more videos about Vitamin C usage in China from one Chinese doctor.

A new video from a Chinese physician regarding how Vitamin C works: https://www.brighteon.com/32df0202-f...6-5648b4b2f9ec

The point is, Vitamin C works when taken in high doses. So, the recommendation should be for all healthcare workers and government officials to start using higher doses of Vitamin C to help us avoid casualties, panic, chaos, and everything else that comes with it.

Now, I know this letter probably won't lead to anything. But I'm writing it anyway so I can show later that you were warned in time and chose to do nothing. I'd ask that you pass this info along to the Secretary of Health and reach out to the Chinese doctor (Richard Z Cheng, MD) who is testifying to the successful application of Vitamin C for treatment.

Link to the study starting in China: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04264533

Sincerely,

What’s even the point of taking Vitamin C when people are being this incredibly irresponsible? I had to swing by the Arena this morning just to grab one quick thing—and not even for myself, either. I made sure to stay for less than ten minutes, tops. I’m perfectly healthy, obviously, and I went fully prepared with a mask, gloves, wet wipes, and hand sanitizer—because, let’s face it, I have someone at home who is extremely immunocompromised. But honestly? It’s infuriating. People are just wandering through stores like it’s a typical Saturday morning; they aren't keeping any distance at the checkout counters, in the aisles, or even on the moving walkways. The sheer lack of responsibility is just appalling... I suppose they think that since they aren't working right now, they should just spend all their time loitering in shopping centers before everything gets shut down for good.

What thermometer should I actually buy? We don't have those old mercury ones anymore, and that useless crap from CVS is a total waste of money.

Tyler Morales2 said:What thermometer should I actually buy? We don't have those old mercury ones anymore, and that useless crap from CVS is a total waste of money.

The Domotherm TH1. is available in pharmacies.
It drove me crazy at first because the instructions are basically gibberish. The thing starts beeping after just 10 seconds, so I thought it was just annoying itself, but then it stops beeping entirely. Still, it’s actually accurate. You can pretty much ignore that first beep; it’s just letting you know roughly what the temp might be—like if it's likely over or under 98.6. But if you just leave the thermometer in there for a full 10 minutes, you'll get the real deal.

Rachel Allen55 said:Self-isolation is voluntary. House arrest is a different story entirely. Nobody can force you to stay stuck in your house unless you have an actual court order in black and white saying you have to. Guidelines are one thing, but legal rights are another. They're just fear-mongering at this point.

I checked with my lawyer here in the States and he confirmed it. Unless there's a direct order from a judge, you aren't under house arrest for 14 days or whatever. He said the isolation guidelines are basically just advice, and the choice is yours.

As for those fines they're talking about $2.75... he says it's just a scare tactic. It's like the government trying to slap you with a fine $2.75 just because you didn't run to a doctor after sneezing once. Such a law simply doesn't exist. Just like there's no penalty for ignoring self-isolation.

Quarantine is a whole different beast where the state actually has to set the conditions.

Legally speaking, he says if they tell you to self-isolate, it's like me telling you that you have to do 10 pushups before breakfast every day. You decide for yourself.

Quarantine is separate, but there have to be clear indications, not just speculation. Meaning, the US would have to prove you were actually exposed to the virus even if you aren't showing symptoms yet.

He also mentioned: things like a curfew can be interpreted as a top-down mandate, and that's where you could face sanctions for being out in public. He added that quarantine—meaning being isolated in a facility provided by the state—only happens when there's solid evidence you'll definitely develop the illness or pose a health risk to others. If that doesn't happen within the designated timeframe, the person has the right to sue for lost wages, time, and whatever else.

If my lawyer is lying to me, then I'm lying to all of you.

Get a new lawyer.