COVID-19 updates and discussion

Anyone here speak German? Take a look:

The English subtitles on this clip aren't exactly spot on (at least in a few spots)

4:07: ... How fast they become healthy again? Are there more victims than before? (not “less victims than before”)

5:17 ... whether it is the normal population (not “the whole population”)

6:55 ... If in Germany there are 20,000 to 30,000 more deaths CAUSED BY THIS VIRUS than . . .

7:48 ... that virologists did something interesting (not “created something spectacular”)

9:41 ... all the others, the lackeys at the king’s court (not “the others in the courtyard”)

Welcome to the thread, fellow flat-earthers!

Thanks for all the feedback on why we should probably just stop worrying about fighting the Coronavirus since heatstroke is also a thing.

But, I don't know, maybe that idea could still use a little more work. 😁

-briskjackal5

Is there anyone currently infected who can provide a firsthand account of the symptoms, the progression of the illness, and what the testing process actually looks like?

I honestly don't get how there are only 5 recoveries reported in the US. We had our first case over a month ago, so does the Coronavirus really take that long to clear out?

@Alexander Ramirez18
Yeah, the recovery process takes quite a while, I guess.
But honestly, things haven't been going on for that long here in the States either.
Just exactly three weeks ago, we only had about seven cases total.

@analoggull16
For starters, there are all sorts of different ways this can play out, and people generally try to avoid testing unless they absolutely have to, since getting a positive result could potentially cause some real issues for us.

-Stipe

analoggull16 said:Is there anyone currently infected who can provide a firsthand account of the symptoms, the progression of the illness, and what the testing process actually looks like?

In the States, our first case recovered after about 6 days. This guy (a 45-year-old dude) went on TV and basically said he wouldn't even put it in his top 10 worst illnesses ever. Said he couldn't really tell the difference between this and a standard head cold he had a while back. Just described it as a super basic cold.

Right after he said that, the government suddenly decided to stop counting recoveries. Why though?

(Reuters) - Coronavirus did not compare with 45-year-old Dane Jakob Tage Ramlyng's worst bouts of flu. It was mild. His greatest concern was not passing it on.

The journalist, who was isolated in Copenhagen away from his family until he was declared virus free by doctors, was the first person in Denmark to test positive for coronavirus after returning home from a holiday in northern Italy.

"I had very few symptoms, and it was only headache, stomach illness and cough, throat and pain in the throat. It took like five or six days to get rid of all the symptoms," he said.

"I was never hospitalised. I didn't receive any medicine, because I was fine, it was not like it was very bad for me, as it is for many other people."

Rachel Allen55 said:In the States, our first case recovered after about 6 days. This guy (a 45-year-old dude) went on TV and basically said he wouldn't even put it in his top 10 worst illnesses ever. Said he couldn't really tell the difference between this and a standard head cold he had a while back. Just described it as a super basic cold.

Right after he said that, the government suddenly decided to stop counting recoveries. Why though?

(Reuters) - Coronavirus did not compare with 45-year-old Dane Jakob Tage Ramlyng's worst bouts of flu. It was mild. His greatest concern was not passing it on.

The journalist, who was isolated in Copenhagen away from his family until he was declared virus free by doctors, was the first person in Denmark to test positive for coronavirus after returning home from a holiday in northern Italy.

"I had very few symptoms, and it was only headache, stomach illness and cough, throat and pain in the throat. It took like five or six days to get rid of all the symptoms," he said.

"I was never hospitalised. I didn't receive any medicine, because I was fine, it was not like it was very bad for me, as it is for many other people."

Well, I guess that’s really all we needed to know, right?

If we already know that some guy somewhere finally cleared the virus, then I guess that's that!

What's there even to argue about 🤷

-Stipe

analoggull16 said:Is there anyone currently infected who can provide a firsthand account of the symptoms, the progression of the illness, and what the testing process actually looks like?

The nasal swab.

You see everything from people who have zero symptoms at all, or just a mild case with an occasional dry cough, to those who hit a fever, feel completely wiped out, and struggle to breathe.
For anyone already dealing with other health issues, things can turn critical incredibly fast.
I’m avoiding the term "high-risk groups" because honestly, age isn't the only factor—unless you're a little kid, obviously. We've even seen twenty-somethings on ventilators. It really comes down to how resilient your immune system is in general.
Everyone is at risk here, so looking out for yourself and everyone else matters. We need to slow this thing down as much as possible to stop the spread...

briskjackal5 said:Well, I guess that’s really all we needed to know, right?

If we already know that some guy somewhere finally cleared the virus, then I guess that's that!

What's there even to argue about 🤷

-Stipe

Right after he bounced back quickly, they decided to stop counting recoveries altogether. It’s a purely political move, not a medical one.

Deciding who gets tested and who doesn't is also just straight-up politics.

I have some really close friends over in Norway; both him and her were showing crazy symptoms, but the authorities refused to test them—again, just a political call. And they've got a kid at home with asthma. They went into self-isolation, she felt totally fine after about 6 days, and it took him maybe 8 or 9 days to recover.

Both of them ended up in the stats as "infected" because that's how they're registered. Her doctor even told her she wasn't contagious anymore, while he's still waiting on word from his.

They’re actually laughing about it themselves, asking, "Is this really it?"

The government in Shanghai just officially dropped a recommendation to treat coronavirus with massive doses of IV Vitamin C. Dosage guidelines are all over the place depending on how sick you are—ranging from 50mg to 200mg per kilo of body weight daily. Also, garlic is a natural antiseptic that keeps colds at bay and is seriously healthy; it's great for fighting off viruses.

What is the actual effectiveness of a surgical mask once it has been boiled?

Thank you.

Sarah Garcia46 said:What is the actual effectiveness of a surgical mask once it has been boiled?

Thank you.

People in China were doing that en masse out of pure desperation, even though experts warned against it because the effectiveness drops to almost zero after boiling.

I guess it just depends on how desperate someone is. For some, it’s a "better than nothing" situation, and honestly, that psychological sense of security has its own value...

If someone feels they need a mask to protect themselves or others (though they mostly protect others), I’d say it’s better to just make a cloth mask at home. That's supposedly the closest thing to what a surgical mask offers. You can toss those in the washing machine and use an iron to disinfect them for reuse, which seems safer than trying to boil masks that were strictly designed for single use...

The most important thing for everyone is how the mask is put on and taken off—plus where it's stored or how it's thrown away—so you don't end up getting infected just by handling it wrong...

Can anyone with actual expertise and some solid references weigh in on this:

How long does this Coronavirus actually hang around in the air outside??

I’m looking for an accurate answer here—if one exists—backed up by evidence and a scientific explanation. Thanks.

I've seen all sorts of conflicting info out there—some people claim the virus just floats in mid-air for three hours, which makes zero sense to me. If that were actually true, then all this social distancing of six feet or so is basically useless; if someone sneezes in an enclosed space, anyone walking by would get hit based on that logic. Then you hear the opposite: that when you sneeze, it just travels a few feet and drops straight to the floor. I really wish someone could tell me what the deal is, because I’m out there walking my dog three times a day, passing through building stairwells, and honestly? I'm constantly paranoid that someone sneezed ten minutes before I stepped into the lobby.

Exactly. I stumbled upon some data suggesting the virus lingers in the air for quite a while—maybe 2 to 3 hours—and stays on surfaces for ages too (like, all day on hard stuff like metal or plastic).

I honestly don't know if this is 100% legit, so I'm feeling pretty uneasy about it. The surface thing isn't even the main issue since you can just be careful, but the air part? That’s terrifying. It means even if you're being super cautious, you can't feel safe out in an urban area. I’d really love to see some actual scientific documentation to back this up.

Sarah Garcia46 said:What is the actual effectiveness of a surgical mask once it has been boiled?

Thank you.

Those masks are designed to filter out about 95% of bacteria and they're meant for short-term use—maybe 6 hours max. Studies show that once you hit that four-hour mark, their effectiveness as a filter drops off a cliff.

melloworca6 said:I've seen all sorts of conflicting info out there—some people claim the virus just floats in mid-air for three hours, which makes zero sense to me. If that were actually true, then all this social distancing of six feet or so is basically useless; if someone sneezes in an enclosed space, anyone walking by would get hit based on that logic. Then you hear the opposite: that when you sneeze, it just travels a few feet and drops straight to the floor. I really wish someone could tell me what the deal is, because I’m out there walking my dog three times a day, passing through building stairwells, and honestly? I'm constantly paranoid that someone sneezed ten minutes before I stepped into the lobby.

Three hours.
https://thehill.com/changing-america...-air-for-hours

The biggest danger is definitely enclosed spaces...

Rachel Allen55 said:Those masks are designed to filter out about 95% of bacteria and they're meant for short-term use—maybe 6 hours max. Studies show that once you hit that four-hour mark, their effectiveness as a filter drops off a cliff.

A surgical mask doesn't actually have built-in filters. They work best for the first two hours, but their filtration rate falls below 90%...
N95 and FFP2 masks filter 95%, while FFP3 reaches 99%.

Rachel Allen55 said:Those masks are designed to filter out about 95% of bacteria and they're meant for short-term use—maybe 6 hours max. Studies show that once you hit that four-hour mark, their effectiveness as a filter drops off a cliff.

A surgical mask doesn't actually have built-in filters. They work best for the first two hours, providing less than 90% protection...
N95 and FFP2 masks filter 95%, while FFP3 hits 99%.

Dana Brooks3 said:A surgical mask doesn't actually have built-in filters. They work best for the first two hours, but their filtration rate falls below 90%...
N95 and FFP2 masks filter 95%, while FFP3 reaches 99%.

I didn't even say it had filters.