COVID-19 updates and discussion

Justin Carter2 said:The Domotherm TH1. is available in pharmacies.
It drove me crazy at first because the instructions are basically gibberish. The thing starts beeping after just 10 seconds, so I thought it was just annoying itself, but then it stops beeping entirely. Still, it’s actually accurate. You can pretty much ignore that first beep; it’s just letting you know roughly what the temp might be—like if it's likely over or under 98.6. But if you just leave the thermometer in there for a full 10 minutes, you'll get the real deal.

Ten whole minutes? 😲 We're living in the 21st century and it still takes ten minutes just to check a temperature? Give me a break.

The virus has basically become a side story here. Now, it's all anyone talks about—just endless numbers regarding the economy. The news cycle is stuck on whether the stimulus packages are enough to keep businesses afloat, what other countries are doing to stabilize their markets, and so on.

Just like I called it...

Tyler Morales2 said:Ten whole minutes? 😲 We're living in the 21st century and it still takes ten minutes just to check a temperature? Give me a break.

Nah, obviously not. You could totally go out and buy one of those high-end ones they use at the ER that gives you a reading in like two seconds, but there's a price difference of about 300 bucks$133.

I've got that $1 digital one from China and it's dead on; just takes a minute or two to settle.
Otherwise, when you compare it against a mercury thermometer, the results are identical.

Melissa Phillips4 said:I've got that $1 digital one from China and it's dead on; just takes a minute or two to settle.
Otherwise, when you compare it against a mercury thermometer, the results are identical.

Where'd you snag it? Drop the link.

Tyler Morales2 said:Where'd you snag it? Drop the link.

eBay and AliExpress.
But I bought it over a year ago. Honestly, I'm not even sure if anything is actually getting through from there anymore.

Melissa Phillips4 said:eBay and AliExpress.
But I bought it over a year ago. Honestly, I'm not even sure if anything is actually getting through from there anymore.

It still gets here, it's just that the mail service is moving way slower lately. I actually had something show up just the day before yesterday that I ordered like a month ago.

For those of you living with asthma, how is the coronavirus actually hitting you guys?

They're a high-risk group.

Digital ones are useless in my opinion. Right now I'm using an alcohol-based one—or whatever you call those pharmacy brands—and it’s plenty accurate. It only drifted about 0.1-0.2 compared to my old mercury one that passed away.

And what about Hashimoto's? Has Beroš finally weighed in on autoimmune issues now?

hollowcanyon15 said:And what about Hashimoto's? Has Beroš finally weighed in on autoimmune issues now?

Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing.

I think people are overreacting a bit. Just look at the numbers—back in 2003, heatwaves across Europe killed about 60,000 people. That happened in just five weeks. And roughly 20,000 of those deaths were in Italy alone.

Rachel Allen55 said:I think people are overreacting a bit. Just look at the numbers—back in 2003, heatwaves across Europe killed about 60,000 people. That happened in just five weeks. And roughly 20,000 of those deaths were in Italy alone.

So, what’s the magic number for actual panic? How many deaths does it take before we should start worrying?
Back in 2003, Italy saw 18,000 more deaths than the previous year during that summer stretch, but only 4,000 were directly linked to heatstroke. Out of those 4,000 spread across all of Italy, how many actually needed ventilators? Do you have any idea what it means for any healthcare system to suddenly have over 2,000 patients in the ICU?!
When Covid-19 causes complications, people need respiratory support—oxygen, ventilation, or being intubated on a ventilator—where they usually spend about two weeks if they're lucky enough to pull through.
I don't get what point you're trying to make by constantly throwing out numbers that have nothing to do with this current pandemic. Are we supposed to be less worried today just because 4,000 people died from a heatwave back in 2003?

stormylynx4 said:So, what’s the magic number for actual panic? How many deaths does it take before we should start worrying?
Back in 2003, Italy saw 18,000 more deaths than the previous year during that summer stretch, but only 4,000 were directly linked to heatstroke. Out of those 4,000 spread across all of Italy, how many actually needed ventilators? Do you have any idea what it means for any healthcare system to suddenly have over 2,000 patients in the ICU?!
When Covid-19 causes complications, people need respiratory support—oxygen, ventilation, or being intubated on a ventilator—where they usually spend about two weeks if they're lucky enough to pull through.
I don't get what point you're trying to make by constantly throwing out numbers that have nothing to do with this current pandemic. Are we supposed to be less worried today just because 4,000 people died from a heatwave back in 2003?

Oh, right. I forgot you need a PhD just to provide breathing assistance, otherwise some high school dropout might try to help. God forbid someone touches the oxygen; we wouldn't want anything to explode, would we?

Listen up, everyone on the Health board, watch what you say. Right now, I have zero tolerance for anyone disrespecting medical staff, and I’m not going to waste my breath giving warnings—I'll just hand out bans immediately. People are going to be stuck in hospitals for weeks, surrounded by infectious patients and cut off from their families, so please, show some damn respect to the people working themselves to the bone to save our asses.

stormylynx4 said:So, what’s the magic number for actual panic? How many deaths does it take before we should start worrying?
Back in 2003, Italy saw 18,000 more deaths than the previous year during that summer stretch, but only 4,000 were directly linked to heatstroke. Out of those 4,000 spread across all of Italy, how many actually needed ventilators? Do you have any idea what it means for any healthcare system to suddenly have over 2,000 patients in the ICU?!
When Covid-19 causes complications, people need respiratory support—oxygen, ventilation, or being intubated on a ventilator—where they usually spend about two weeks if they're lucky enough to pull through.
I don't get what point you're trying to make by constantly throwing out numbers that have nothing to do with this current pandemic. Are we supposed to be less worried today just because 4,000 people died from a heatwave back in 2003?

The Italians themselves came out and said those 20,000 deaths in 2003 were directly linked to the heatwave. So yeah, I'm sticking with those figures.

The fact that Italy and its healthcare system haven't been top-tier for ages isn't news. You could list a ton of things where the healthcare system in that country has just been buckling at the seams, even without this mess. That doesn't mean the doctors are to blame or that they aren't trying. Not at all—honestly, I think they’re giving it everything they've got. But the Italian government is the real issue there, not just this one, but plenty of them before it. And obviously, that's a whole different conversation. But you can't separate the two. That's just how countries work. Doctors don't make the calls on money and laws; politicians do.

Another thing a lot of medical scientists have started pointing out is that the Mediterranean diet—especially the Italian version—doesn't exactly play nice with human immunity. The truth is, while people live a bit longer because of that light eating, they're also super sensitive to even the tiniest changes or attacks. How much attention you pay to that is a fair question. But look, Italy is famous for having huge numbers of people die from the regular seasonal flu every year, mostly the elderly. We're talking up to 68,000 deaths linked to seasonal flu, which is roughly 186 cases a day. That puts Italy way above other countries in Europe. In Denmark, they see maybe 1,400 deaths a year from seasonal flu, which is 0.0002% of the population. In Italy, it's 0.001%. For a place like Denmark in the far north to almost hit the massive numbers Italy sees relative to its population, they'd need about 5,700 cases a year.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...01971219303285

Rachel Allen55 said:The Italians themselves came out and said those 20,000 deaths in 2003 were directly linked to the heatwave. So yeah, I'm sticking with those figures.

The fact that Italy and its healthcare system haven't been top-tier for ages isn't news. You could list a ton of things where the healthcare system in that country has just been buckling at the seams, even without this mess. That doesn't mean the doctors are to blame or that they aren't trying. Not at all—honestly, I think they’re giving it everything they've got. But the Italian government is the real issue there, not just this one, but plenty of them before it. And obviously, that's a whole different conversation. But you can't separate the two. That's just how countries work. Doctors don't make the calls on money and laws; politicians do.

Another thing a lot of medical scientists have started pointing out is that the Mediterranean diet—especially the Italian version—doesn't exactly play nice with human immunity. The truth is, while people live a bit longer because of that light eating, they're also super sensitive to even the tiniest changes or attacks. How much attention you pay to that is a fair question. But look, Italy is famous for having huge numbers of people die from the regular seasonal flu every year, mostly the elderly. We're talking up to 68,000 deaths linked to seasonal flu, which is roughly 186 cases a day. That puts Italy way above other countries in Europe. In Denmark, they see maybe 1,400 deaths a year from seasonal flu, which is 0.0002% of the population. In Italy, it's 0.001%. For a place like Denmark in the far north to almost hit the massive numbers Italy sees relative to its population, they'd need about 5,700 cases a year.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...01971219303285

What's the reasoning behind throwing those numbers out there?
What's the point of everything you just wrote?
Is there actually any conclusion we can draw from all this?

Joshua Garcia12 said:What's the reasoning behind throwing those numbers out there?
What's the point of everything you just wrote?
Is there actually any conclusion we can draw from all this?

We can, sure—basically just that there's no need to panic, even though the media is doing its best to make us freak out. There's this one specific case in Denmark that nobody's talking about, but it's a mess because the politicians are clashing with health officials. The health board basically told the government during a press conference that their decisions have zero basis in actual medicine and there's no evidence for them. It looks like they're just using the virus as an excuse for purely political moves.

Over here, they've stopped counting the people who recovered. Two different regions have basically pulled the plug on testing unless someone shows up looking like they have serious lung issues.

Something about this whole Coronavirus thing feels shady.

A ton of experts are pointing out that what’s happening in Italy is pretty much what happens every year when it comes to the elderly and pneumonia cases. The stats actually back that up quite a bit. Meanwhile, things in Sweden are almost totally normal—you’ve got crowds of up to 500 people hanging out at ski resorts. The infection numbers there are pretty low compared to our neighbors in Norway, which has literally half the population but nearly double the infections. Denmark is pivoting again too; they're making the virus a secondary concern while focusing on the massive layoffs and the economy. They claim flights are grounded and all that, but it’s mostly just scaled back.

Seriously, can someone please just ban these idiots?

Donna White85 said:Seriously, can someone please just ban these idiots?

https://politiken.dk/forbrugogliv/su...ele-landet-ned

Here’s the translation for the headline:

The former director of the National Health Board put it bluntly: there was never any actual medical justification for shutting down the entire country.

Former Director of the National Health Board: There’s zero actual medical or professional justification for shutting down the entire country.

The news is out: the spread is getting real. It looks like things are moving faster than anyone anticipated.

Professor: Closing the borders won't do squat once the virus has already taken hold.

Public health professor says: Closing borders is pretty much pointless once the virus has already taken hold.

I can't get into the weeds on that specific article link, but if you're looking for a breakdown of what's going on with the latest health mandates or policy shifts, let me know. I'm ready to give you the lowdown once we have the details.

The government shut down the borders without any actual medical justification.

The government just slammed the borders shut without even giving us a decent medical reason.

The news is out about the government potentially shutting down the borders again. Honestly, it feels like we're stuck in a loop. One minute everything is open, and the next, they're talking about locking things down like it's 2020 all over again. It’s pretty wild how quickly the conversation shifts from "we're back to normal" to "maybe we should seal the exits." Just my two cents, but this back-and-forth is exhausting.

The Secretary of Health totally botched the explanation regarding the border closures.

The Secretary of Health gave a pretty shady explanation for why they're shutting down the borders.

The health authorities just dropped a massive decision that’s going to change everything. It looks like the National Health Board is moving toward a complete pivot on how we handle things. Honestly, it feels like they're finally playing catch-up with what everyone else in Europe has been doing for a while now. It’s a bold move, but you have to wonder if it's too little, too late. Keeping an eye on this one.

It’s a political move, plain and simple. The director of the National Health Board, Søren Brostrøm, is making it clear that closing the borders isn't actually about health science.

It’s a political move, plain and simple. The head of the National Health Board, Søren Brostrøm, is basically saying that shutting down the borders isn't actually based on any real medical science.

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Sweden:

https://jyllands-posten.dk/internati...ntal-smittede/

It’s "no longer important": Sweden is stopping the count of infected cases

Doesn't matter anymore: Sweden stops counting the number of infections