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Lisa Jackson7 Lisa Jackson7 Regular
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#41 ·
Daniel Chase13 said:Exactly.

God is perfect—perfect love, perfect goodness, and perfect truth.

Originally, before the first couple, Adam and Eve, fell into sin, a perfectly good God didn't create a world defined by physical death, disharmony among creatures, pain, infections, or disease. There was no struggle for survival, no "survival of the fittest" where one species thrives at the expense of another (in the beginning, there was no such hierarchy), and no natural disasters. This current version of the world—this broken reality—was never His intention.

In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, it keeps repeating... "And God saw that it was good."

It was good, sure—but not "perfect" in the way you're describing.

Otherwise, Adam and Eve wouldn't have had the chance to sin in the first place.
feralranger feralranger Regular
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#42 ·
Lisa Jackson7 said:A car's "perfection" is dead. Life is perfect because of its "imperfections"—or better yet, it's just good.
If we're sticking to metaphors, God looks more like an artist to me than some engineer or coder.

I mean, don't most human creations live "their own lives"? Does that make them any less perfect?

If God actually had to go around "tinkering" with the genome—to "modify" it, as that particular text implies—in order to improve it, then by definition, the previous iteration wasn't perfect to begin with.

Lisa Jackson7 said:A car's "perfection" is dead. Life is perfect because of its "imperfections"—or better yet, it's just good.
If we're sticking to metaphors, God looks more like an artist to me than some engineer or coder.

I mean, don't most human creations live "their own lives"? Does that make them any less perfect?

They live, in the sense of possessing "free will"—assuming they are indeed "creations" and assuming free will is anything more than a mere illusion born from deterministic processes. In any case, that concept has absolutely nothing to do with the supposed necessity of fixing a genome.
Daniel Chase13 Daniel Chase13 Regular
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#43 ·
Lisa Jackson7 said:In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, it keeps repeating... "And God saw that it was good."

It was good, sure—but not "perfect" in the way you're describing.

Otherwise, Adam and Eve wouldn't have had the chance to sin in the first place.

Actually, I have to disagree there. When we talk about "good" in a metaphysical sense—especially when tied to an absolutely perfect God who is without flaw—it implies something entirely without defect. It’s synonymous with being "very good," which essentially means perfect.

Back then, there was no physical death, no friction between creatures, no pain, no diseases, and none of the struggle for survival where the strong prey on the weak (since, at the start, there wasn't really a hierarchy of "fit" versus "unfit"). There were no natural disasters, no imperfections, nothing of the sort.

God is perfection itself—pure love, goodness, and truth. This chaotic world we live in now? It certainly wasn't His intention.

Once Adam and Eve sinned, that initial state of perfection began to erode. We entered a world defined by physical mortality, a reality shackled to decay, corruption, and a fundamental disharmony among all living things.
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feralranger feralranger Regular
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#44 ·
Daniel Chase13 said:Exactly.

God is perfect—perfect love, perfect goodness, and perfect truth.

Originally, before the first couple, Adam and Eve, fell into sin, a perfectly good God didn't create a world defined by physical death, disharmony among creatures, pain, infections, or disease. There was no struggle for survival, no "survival of the fittest" where one species thrives at the expense of another (in the beginning, there was no such hierarchy), and no natural disasters. This current version of the world—this broken reality—was never His intention.

It certainly wasn't my intention either, and even a crude, materialistic entity like Chase Bank won't come knocking at my door to collect on some ancestral debt, nor can I choose to waive an inheritance of my own free will. What kind of deity would descend into such pettiness, imposing burdens upon me for decisions I neither made nor caused? That would be a far more sinister God than the one Lisa Jackson7 describes—one who might be imperfect, yet still strives to make things right.
Daniel Chase13 Daniel Chase13 Regular
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#45 ·
feralranger said:It certainly wasn't my intention either, and even a crude, materialistic entity like Chase Bank won't come knocking at my door to collect on some ancestral debt, nor can I choose to waive an inheritance of my own free will. What kind of deity would descend into such pettiness, imposing burdens upon me for decisions I neither made nor caused? That would be a far more sinister God than the one Lisa Jackson7 describes—one who might be imperfect, yet still strives to make things right.

It isn't that God imposed the burden; rather, Adam and Eve made a choice for themselves, and we essentially inherited that decision. Through their own free will—prompted by Satan—they separated us from God, handing ourselves and all of us over to the dominion of Satan (though that very same God, embodied in Jesus Christ, works to liberate us through baptism).

God doesn't just work to repair the damage within this world—He is personally preparing us for a perfect existence: a new heaven and a new earth. We will experience bodily resurrection and receive from God a flawless world where physical death, disharmony among creation, pain, infections, and other diseases won't exist. There will be no more dominance, no struggle for survival where the "fittest" prevail at the expense of others, no natural disasters, no imperfections, and so on.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church covers this beautifully in sections 1042 through 1050, and also in 1060.
feralranger feralranger Regular
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#46 ·
Daniel Chase13 said:It isn't that God imposed the burden; rather, Adam and Eve made a choice for themselves, and we essentially inherited that decision. Through their own free will—prompted by Satan—they separated us from God, handing ourselves and all of us over to the dominion of Satan (though that very same God, embodied in Jesus Christ, works to liberate us through baptism).

God doesn't just work to repair the damage within this world—He is personally preparing us for a perfect existence: a new heaven and a new earth. We will experience bodily resurrection and receive from God a flawless world where physical death, disharmony among creation, pain, infections, and other diseases won't exist. There will be no more dominance, no struggle for survival where the "fittest" prevail at the expense of others, no natural disasters, no imperfections, and so on.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church covers this beautifully in sections 1042 through 1050, and also in 1060.

How on earth can anyone claim to exercise their free will to make a decision on my behalf? It is an absolute absurdity. Furthermore, by what logic am I being held accountable for the misguided choices made through their supposed autonomy? Even a major institution like JP Morgan wouldn't dream of imposing such a liability on its clients. If you choose to decline an inheritance, you don't get to inherit the catastrophic mistakes of your ancestors along with it.

Daniel Chase13 As expressed by:
It seems that God isn't merely attempting to mend the damage within this world, but rather...

And where exactly might we be headed, if I may be so bold as to ask?
Scott Nguyen5 Scott Nguyen5 Member
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#47 ·
Daniel Chase13 said:It isn't that God imposed the burden; rather, Adam and Eve made a choice for themselves, and we essentially inherited that decision. Through their own free will—prompted by Satan—they separated us from God, handing ourselves and all of us over to the dominion of Satan (though that very same God, embodied in Jesus Christ, works to liberate us through baptism).

God doesn't just work to repair the damage within this world—He is personally preparing us for a perfect existence: a new heaven and a new earth. We will experience bodily resurrection and receive from God a flawless world where physical death, disharmony among creation, pain, infections, and other diseases won't exist. There will be no more dominance, no struggle for survival where the "fittest" prevail at the expense of others, no natural disasters, no imperfections, and so on.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church covers this beautifully in sections 1042 through 1050, and also in 1060.

Sure, that’s a great story, especially if you’re looking at it from the divine perspective.

>be omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, immortal, as old as time, and infinitely wise—basically everything, everywhere, all at once
>decide to create a paradise planet filled with various life forms just because you're bored. Because clearly, an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, immortal, and infinitely wise God has this human need for excitement. It makes total sense that despite being infinite, you still deal with human impulses.
>create only one species with consciousness, but don't give them any actual knowledge about reality or the environment they live in (they're basically toddlers), and just tell them they have to obey you. That's it.
>let some evil wizard manipulate these naive children in adult bodies. And you, the omnipotent and infinitely wise God, allow it because you decided to "punish" him by giving him his own kingdom instead of, say, stripping him of all his power. I mean, logic.
>after this whole mess slips past an omniscient and omnipresent God, it’s perfectly logical to demonstrate infinite wisdom and mercy by dropping an eternal curse on an entire species of inferior intellect that you created yourself—an intellect that was manipulated by an incomparably superior and more intelligent evil wizard whom you also created.
>of course, nothing actually happened when Eve ate the "forbidden fruit," except that she bruised the incredibly fragile human ego of an omnipotent, omniscient, timeless, and infinitely wise God. So, you react with a furious "screw you" by hitting them with physical and emotional pain, plus endless diseases and disorders, just to make existence as difficult as possible because they dared—despite being infantile and incredibly naive—to fall for the manipulation of a much older and smarter evil wizard. Again, pure logic from someone infinitely wise and merciful.
>completely ignore the paradise planet, rename it Earth, and then build a new paradise exclusively for the crowd that will worship you and follow your rules. Because even God, despite being infinite, apparently has a human ego that needs constant stroking.
>curse the animal species, the snake, by taking away its limbs—even though it didn't have hands or feet to begin with. Totally logical. Just because the evil wizard took on their shape, even though snakes aren't responsible for anything. A perfect display of infinite wisdom and mercy.
Ryan Sanchez20 Ryan Sanchez20 Newcomer
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#48 ·
Daniel Chase13 Daniel Chase13 Regular
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#49 ·
Well, looks like Elvis Presley gave another one of his public lectures
electricdriver33 electricdriver33 Active Member
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#50 ·
Honestly, I get way more of a kick out of reading that clown Kaćunko than listening to that paranoid lunatic Elvis Presley...

I’m pretty sure Kaćunko deserves his own dedicated dossier just as much as Elvis Presley does...

Given the absolute nonsense Kaćunko just spewed, it makes me think... if a priest actually had a kid with another priest or a nun had one with a monk, then maybe we could finally justify taxpayers footing the bill for the Catholic Church...
Thomas Brooks6 Thomas Brooks6 Newcomer
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#51 ·
From what I can gather, it looks like he’s picking up more and more followers lately.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#52 ·
Thomas Brooks6 said:From what I can gather, it looks like he’s picking up more and more followers lately.

Honestly, it’s not surprising at all.
People have lost their way entirely—they've lost their compass, their map, and even the damn North Star!😒
Henry Lopez10 Henry Lopez10 Member
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#53 ·
I don't actually know the guy personally, so I can't really weigh in on his character as an individual.
I'm certainly not buying into the whole flat earth thing either—honestly, give me a break, people!
😁
That’s why I decided to dig a little deeper into what he was actually talking about.
Regardless of how you feel about him, the man seems to be having a blast, and frankly, it’s a shame because everyone bashing him is ignoring the fact that there are plenty of things NASA has labeled as "fake" or impossible that many scientists and hobbyists alike still question... so there's definitely something to it. NASA isn't some infallible deity.

For instance, I found this video pretty entertaining.



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Man, the tires on this car are totally giving out; it looks like Elon Musk picked up some cheap used ones instead of sticking with something reliable like Goodyear. What a joke!
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#54 ·
Elvis Presley is having quite the blast...🙏
Bryan King3 Bryan King3 Member
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#55 ·
Man, they’ve really done it—they’ve gone after Elvis Presley. It feels like everything is conspiring just to take him down.
Seriously, even Satan’s own little website is scrubbing every single link that points toward those "Flat Earth" landing pages.
(I mean, is God actually going to step in and deal with this personally??)

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/enter...s-anymore.html
Daniel Chase13 Daniel Chase13 Regular
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#56 ·
Bryan King3 said:Man, they’ve really done it—they’ve gone after Elvis Presley. It feels like everything is conspiring just to take him down.
Seriously, even Satan’s own little website is scrubbing every single link that points toward those "Flat Earth" landing pages.
(I mean, is God actually going to step in and deal with this personally??)

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/enter...s-anymore.html

Honestly, I doubt it’ll get under his skin much. At the end of the day, other people seem to promote his work and his shows way more than he even does himself.
Daniel Chase13 Daniel Chase13 Regular
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#57 ·
Brian Cruz63 Brian Cruz63 Newcomer
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#58 ·
Shouldn't a thread like this be over on an alternative board or something?
Brian Gray5 Brian Gray5 Member
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#59 ·
Brian Cruz63 said:Shouldn't a thread like this be over on an alternative board or something?

Give me a break. What exactly are you expecting from religion? You want it to actually be a consistent system of belief? Good luck with that. 😁
Daniel Chase13 Daniel Chase13 Regular
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#60 ·
Here's the latest
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