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How to stay organized: Tips for order, cleanliness, and discipline

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darkcanyon10 darkcanyon10 Active Member
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#21 ·
mistyseal11;56894232 said:

What's the point in moving from the bed to the couch just to end up back in bed?
In that time, you could smoke a whole pack, down liters of coffee and whiskey. And whatever else.

That was your take, 🤣>

If I actually knew the answer, I'd be thrilled!
That’s literally what I was asking!

Fine.. let's find an answer then.

Out of the options, I'd probably pick something that works for me.

Like some kind of hourly schedule...

There we go... we're looking for your blueprint for a productive day.
Got any suggestions? 😁
placidwolf27 placidwolf27 Active Member
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#22 ·
Even if you actually managed to stumble upon a "regime"—if such a thing exists—the real question is whether you’d have the sheer willpower to overhaul your daily habits and actually stick to them...
What you’re describing is the macro state of things—and even if there were some inherent potential or capacity buried in there, it would have to be tied to a specific objective, something that causes the organism to move toward it spontaneously
But that capacity just isn't there. That's why you can't move toward a goal, rather than the other way around... You aren't a child anymore; you can dream up fifteen different goals a day, along with various systems and routines, but it won't matter... it's all futile

On the flip side, you need a system—you need some kind of structure—just to generate any capacity at all. It’s exactly like trying to crank those old engines back to life in a cold garage; without that initial spark, the whole system remains stagnant because it simply hasn't been primed

And that, quite frankly, is the catch-22
mistyseal11 mistyseal11 RegularOP
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#23 ·
@placidwolf27:

You hit the nail on the head there. The whole thing is, I don't really have some grand higher purpose anymore because everything just feels kind of pointless. There’s nothing left to aim for. I mean, "the worms are gonna eat me eventually anyway," right?
If we're talking about hitting some material milestone—honestly, it’s just garbage. I’m not even interested in a BMW, or fancy yachts, or luxury condos, or traveling the world...
And don't even get me started on love or family life; it’s totally incomprehensible to me. Everything people push is like some polished Hollywood fantasy, which is lightyears away from how things actually work.
As for finding some higher spiritual calling—I guess I could trade my couch for a lotus position, and maybe that would be the fix... but that feels pretty stupid considering I'm a physical being and sitting on a concrete floor in some artificial environment feels completely unnatural to me...

On the flip side, though—deep down, I know I'm capable of anything.

@Maria Price3: Look, I've stared death in the face more times than I care to count. I'm not going into the details.
Maria Price3 Maria Price3 Active Member
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#24 ·
mistyseal11 said:@placidwolf27:

You hit the nail on the head there. The whole thing is, I don't really have some grand higher purpose anymore because everything just feels kind of pointless. There’s nothing left to aim for. I mean, "the worms are gonna eat me eventually anyway," right?
If we're talking about hitting some material milestone—honestly, it’s just garbage. I’m not even interested in a BMW, or fancy yachts, or luxury condos, or traveling the world...
And don't even get me started on love or family life; it’s totally incomprehensible to me. Everything people push is like some polished Hollywood fantasy, which is lightyears away from how things actually work.
As for finding some higher spiritual calling—I guess I could trade my couch for a lotus position, and maybe that would be the fix... but that feels pretty stupid considering I'm a physical being and sitting on a concrete floor in some artificial environment feels completely unnatural to me...

On the flip side, though—deep down, I know I'm capable of anything.

@Maria Price3: Look, I've stared death in the face more times than I care to count. I'm not going into the details.

Like I said—you either snap out of it or you don't. And honestly? Things can always get worse.😉

On the flip side—I'm pretty aware that I'm capable of handling anything.

That kind of mindset is... well, I don't know how else to put it—strange, at the very least.

Maybe you borrow a Guinness World Records book, or maybe some random idea pops into your head and you decide to dedicate yourself to it, no matter how ridiculous it seems—just for the sake of having a goal.

But for starters, I think you could probably use a solid detox program.

Don't take this the wrong way; I've been stuck in my own mess, too, and there isn't anything I haven't tried to do to get myself moving. I just... I don't really know what to do with myself.

The other day, I was just hanging out somewhere unimportant when I heard this woman singing at the end of her shift. It actually made me stop and think. I thought to myself—that's what I want. I want to be able to sing at the end of a workday! So, I've set that as my goal. It's a bit vague, I guess, but hopefully, it'll crystallize into something real eventually.
placidwolf27 placidwolf27 Active Member
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#25 ·
I don't want to project, but I highly doubt you’re thinking any differently—that you aren't feeling this pervasive sense of futility that prevents any real movement or direction in any meaningful sense. I’m much the same way myself... perhaps you'd just end up with more regrets over failing to fulfill whatever sliver of purpose you have left

Regarding that, though, I suspect the causal link works in reverse; this state of being doesn't prevent you from having a goal, rather, the absence of a goal is what generates this specific state of existence

Suppose you were thrust into circumstances where you were forced to endure eight to ten hours of physical labor every single day—just a hypothetical, of course—your body would find ways to kickstart itself internally, and your state of mind would shift spontaneously. It wouldn't necessarily be an improvement, but this current stagnation would feel like some sort of fever dream because, quite simply, reality would be something else entirely

Now, anyone could suggest that you just simulate that through training, or hitting the gym, or hiking, or whatever... then there's the reading, the hobbies, the endless list of distractions... but you've likely already thought of all that, and yet, here we are, still at a standstill

The whole mess lies in this: if you cannot spark movement from within, your only remaining option is to have someone—or something—dictate your actions. That brings us to "discipline," a concept that many find bizarrely difficult to grasp—how a person can literally require external coercion just to function. For most people, emotions and primal impulses are what drive them; they just wrap those impulses in rationalized stories, systems, and goals to give them a sense of motivation, when in reality, it's just another form of internal compulsion

Essentially, a goal is only effective if it creates that internal emotional pressure... because the entire system that needs to be engaged and driven forward is fundamentally irrational and quite frankly, stupid—rational, intellectual constructs mean absolutely nothing to it

Try this: actually lie there on that couch and do absolutely nothing. Not even think, let alone act. Just exist and breathe. See how long you can sustain that state—how long you can force yourself to remain idle. Very quickly, restlessness will set in, followed by boredom, then a flood of various emotions, perhaps an impulse to drink or smoke, or even unconscious fidgeting... then you'll realize just how massive that internal force truly is—the very force you're supposed to manage and direct solely through consciousness—but it never works that way

I don't know, we're just talking... it's not as if I'm actually trying to offer you advice
darkcanyon10 darkcanyon10 Active Member
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#26 ·
Addiction is ugly. No sugarcoating it.
If you want to get anything done, start by keeping a clear head.
Maria Price3 Maria Price3 Active Member
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#27 ·
placidwolf27, you could have maybe described this a little more clearly...
Maria Price3 Maria Price3 Active Member
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#28 ·
darkcanyon10 said:Addiction is ugly. No sugarcoating it.
If you want to get anything done, start by keeping a clear head.

and this goes without saying too 👍
mistyseal11 mistyseal11 RegularOP
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#29 ·
I’d join a gym, honestly, but I just can't see myself spending an entire day stuck in one of those places. (It might actually work as a way to round out my routine though)
it feels more like just venting some steam... and doing it in such a totally unnatural, isolated way... in an environment that just doesn't feel right...
but whatever, we had a snowstorm hit, so at least today I had something to do with a shovel. No grand purpose or anything. Just pure energy release.

and then just rotting on the couch... man, no... that's not good... coffee, cigarettes, booze... and way too much time spent overthinking all this unemployment crap...

I need a schedule. Simple as that. Ta-da, ta-da, ta-da, ta-da. Check, check... (pause)... ta-da, ta-da, ta-da...
Up, up, up... let's go... get to work...

If I had the chance to get away from the pavement and head out into the greenery or some hilly area... like...
what would we even do there? No computer, no internet, no power... nothing...

How would we spend the day? (Not even a Starbucks nearby either)
[basically, what would a daily schedule look like]
Maria Price3 Maria Price3 Active Member
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#30 ·
Look, if you’re really that desperate for a schedule, just make one up. Honestly—creating a routine isn't the hard part; the actual struggle is actually sticking to it once it's on paper.

Basically, just try this: wake up at the same time every single day—shower—eat—work/exercise/read/write/chop wood/whatever you feel like doing—eat—more work/exercise/reading/writing/chopping wood/who knows—eat—shower—sleep. Wake up, and then start the whole loop all over again...

There’s your schedule. 🤷
Richard Fisher4 Richard Fisher4 Newcomer
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#31 ·
So, what's your deal? You working or is someone else picking up the tab? Based on what you're posting here, feels like you've got a safety net.

It just doesn't add up to me. Someone actually grinding just to get by wouldn't have the headspace for this kind of nonsense. You'd either be too busy trying to survive, or you just wouldn't be around.
Look, if you're being taken care of, go out on your own. See how fast your brain starts working once you're actually on your own and that survival instinct kicks in. 🙂
mistyseal11 mistyseal11 RegularOP
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#32 ·
Maria Price3 said:Look, if you’re really that desperate for a schedule, just make one up. Honestly—creating a routine isn't the hard part; the actual struggle is actually sticking to it once it's on paper.

Basically, just try this: wake up at the same time every single day—shower—eat—work/exercise/read/write/chop wood/whatever you feel like doing—eat—more work/exercise/reading/writing/chopping wood/who knows—eat—shower—sleep. Wake up, and then start the whole loop all over again...

There’s your schedule. 🤷

Alright, okay, this concept is actually pretty solid.
I mean, I basically stumbled onto the same thing myself...

But now we need some actual suggestions for what counts as "work."

Because right now, I'm just wandering around like a total zombie every day trying to figure out what I'm even supposed to be doing...
quietviper93 quietviper93 Newcomer
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#33 ·
mistyseal11

So, what was your absolute favorite thing back when you were just a kid? I mean, come on, try to dig deep. What was the one thing you lived for?
Paul Thompson3 Paul Thompson3 Active Member
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#34 ·
What happened, mistyseal11? You were all about that "new year, new me" energy—full of big plans and massive enthusiasm—so where'd it all go?
I’ve never really understood this whole "hitting rock bottom" concept people obsess over. I’ve hit bottom plenty of times, and honestly, nothing changed except for a temporary burst of motivation and meeting a great girl—and then everything went south again.
It feels like all that inner strength and those little personal renaissances just evaporate if you don't have someone in your corner—a real friend who actually gives a damn about you. Without that... things get rough.
Look, I'm not saying you'd act this way, but what's the point of mapping out a strict routine and discipline if your drive vanishes in seventy-two hours? Living that couch-potato-whiskey-bed lifestyle is usually just a sign that a person has zero desire for anything else.
Do you actually have any drive for the future? Can you see yourself anywhere specific five years from now? Is there anyone you love? What's the name of Neptune's moon? That feeling of being invincible is a trap—you think you can conquer the world, so you end up doing absolutely nothing at all.
If you're dead set on a drill sergeant routine, we could start a little militia—we'll blast Motorhead, I'll yell at you, and you can run through the woods or whatever. Haha.
Paul Thompson3 Paul Thompson3 Active Member
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#35 ·
Alright, now we’re getting serious.

8:00 Crank Motörhead up to eleven—no sipping coffee here. Some guy decides to whack you in the head with a mug, then you immediately drop for four push-ups and two self-inflicted slaps. Then, bathroom break.
8:30 Breakfast time. You get a tin of corned beef with onions and two slices of toast. You better tell them it's delicious, too.
9:00 Head out to the woods for a light jog, followed by some quick sprints around the trees.
9:30 A lovely sight—deer by the creek. Getting close to nature and trying to pet the deer.
9:32 Turns out the deer wasn't much of a people person. Off to the ER.
10:00 Once you're all patched up and stitched, you get an explicit order not to mention what happened. The official story? We were targeted by an enemy drone from the rogue militia led by Phiber.
11:00 Fully leaning into the drama, you insist on smearing ash on your face and crawling through the bushes. DENIED!
12:00 Now fully immersed in the day—feeling that sense of adventure—you get lunch. Nothing fancy: just some General Tso's chicken and chocolate milk. Small joys. A ten-minute break for a cigarette before heading back to base to shower.
13:00 Since you need to unwind before a heavy afternoon, you get orders to head over to the local go-kart track for some fun.
15:00 Lunch—tasty and hearty. High energy, as requested. Afternoon rest follows.
16:30 Afternoon training session. Sets of push-ups and pull-ups, plus some basketball and ping-pong. Various drills, etc.
18:00 Tackling some math problems.
19:00 Reading, TV, and internet—thirty minutes max.
20:00 Cleaning the quarters and, if there's time left, some downtime.
21:00 Dinner.
22:00 Hygiene and hitting the sack.

Edit: Just went back to see what I wrote and realized I used a weird term for the guy earlier. Clearly, stagnation isn't good for the brain. :S
mistyseal11 mistyseal11 RegularOP
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#36 ·
🙏

Seriously, props to you—someone actually, finally, caught exactly what I was looking for.
Just needs a few tiny tweaks here and there, but man, I am loving this!!!

Shout out again to 🙏 🙏 🙏

ps.
darkcanyon10 darkcanyon10 Active Member
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#37 ·
You actually gonna stick to that? 🤔
Make it official. Promise the whole damn country right now. 🤣
mistyseal11 mistyseal11 RegularOP
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#38 ·
Man, Paul Thompson3 really made my night... I can't even put it into words.

But hey, it actually got me thinking, @Richard Fisher4: imagine being just some kid on summer break—totally losing your mind because there's no school... no set schedule, no crew to hang with, zero structure... just pure freedom.

Actually, this opens up a great follow-up question for the thread: how would you guys plan out a day for your own kids?
Just letting them loose on the streets is nothing but straight-up chaos. Kids without any kind of routine just end up getting into trouble.

@quietviper93: I used to love hitting up the local park for soccer...
I loved jamming on my guitar (right up until the neighbors started banging on the walls asking me to shut up #Aceofspades)
I loved riding out with my biker gang #Wearetheroadcrew
I loved heading out every Friday and Saturday night to blow off steam at rock shows and dive bars #Overkill
I loved playing UT #Ironfist

http://i67.tinypic.com/24dk50p.jpg

Hmm.... now I've got a whole new reason to start journaling and looking back on things.
... and honestly, the whole topic feels a lot deeper now.
placidwolf27 placidwolf27 Active Member
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#39 ·
mistyseal11 said:I’d join a gym, honestly, but I just can't see myself spending an entire day stuck in one of those places. (It might actually work as a way to round out my routine though)
it feels more like just venting some steam... and doing it in such a totally unnatural, isolated way... in an environment that just doesn't feel right...
but whatever, we had a snowstorm hit, so at least today I had something to do with a shovel. No grand purpose or anything. Just pure energy release.

and then just rotting on the couch... man, no... that's not good... coffee, cigarettes, booze... and way too much time spent overthinking all this unemployment crap...

I need a schedule. Simple as that. Ta-da, ta-da, ta-da, ta-da. Check, check... (pause)... ta-da, ta-da, ta-da...
Up, up, up... let's go... get to work...

If I had the chance to get away from the pavement and head out into the greenery or some hilly area... like...
what would we even do there? No computer, no internet, no power... nothing...

How would we spend the day? (Not even a Starbucks nearby either)
[basically, what would a daily schedule look like]

The body doesn't grasp nuance; it simply registers physical exertion and triggers the corresponding biochemistry—hormones, enzymes, neurotransmitters, and so on... accordingly...

and then, quite suddenly, you feel different—simply because your physiological state has shifted...

because the organism isn't a "person," yet a person is merely an organism...
Lawrence Bailey77 Lawrence Bailey77 Regular
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#40 ·
mistyseal11 said:@placidwolf27:

You hit the nail on the head there. The whole thing is, I don't really have some grand higher purpose anymore because everything just feels kind of pointless. There’s nothing left to aim for. I mean, "the worms are gonna eat me eventually anyway," right?
If we're talking about hitting some material milestone—honestly, it’s just garbage. I’m not even interested in a BMW, or fancy yachts, or luxury condos, or traveling the world...
And don't even get me started on love or family life; it’s totally incomprehensible to me. Everything people push is like some polished Hollywood fantasy, which is lightyears away from how things actually work.
As for finding some higher spiritual calling—I guess I could trade my couch for a lotus position, and maybe that would be the fix... but that feels pretty stupid considering I'm a physical being and sitting on a concrete floor in some artificial environment feels completely unnatural to me...

On the flip side, though—deep down, I know I'm capable of anything.

@Maria Price3: Look, I've stared death in the face more times than I care to count. I'm not going into the details.

Well... I've only experienced it once, and frankly, it was far too much for me.🕺

No offense intended—you explain yourself quite clearly, and I certainly don't mean to label you or anything like that—but, if I may be so bold, I might suggest looking into psychotherapy. I say this with the best of intentions. It isn't a quick fix, and it can be a long, arduous process, but I suppose it's a better path than just burying yourself in a gym membership.👍

You seem very aware of your own insistence that you can handle everything on your own. However, a psychologist might simply help you organize your thoughts and focus on whatever it takes to pull you out of your current state. From what I can gather, you aren't exactly satisfied with where you are right now. It is relatively easy to change a job, a spouse😬, or even your entire environment... but changing oneself? That is a different matter entirely. 😵 I am not placing blame on you, nor anyone else; circumstances have a way of breaking people. No one wakes up and decides to be unwell. Everything has its causes and its reasons.

And really, what do you have to lose by trying? Just have one conversation and see what happens.

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