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Timothy Roberts2 Timothy Roberts2 Newcomer
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#1041 ·
Let me jump into this discussion. If I remember correctly, I started elementary school around 2000 or 2001—so, a bit younger than the average kid. We had this one religious studies teacher whom I absolutely detested; it was common knowledge that whenever a teacher retired, he’d just hire one of his sisters to take the spot. There were endless jokes about it, but honestly, he had four sisters and they all became teachers—everything from music and English to art and even American history classes. And every single one of them was a carbon copy of him: strict and completely unfair. However, back in the lower grades when we mostly just did drawing, I never really had any major conflicts. My parents actually didn't want to enroll me in religion class at all, but the principal threatened them, saying no one would watch over me during that period—since religion class was always scheduled right in the middle of the day—and suggested I might get hit by a car since the school was surrounded by massive, busy highways. So, that's how I ended up in religion class. In the upper grades, we got a teacher who also became our homeroom teacher, and she was a literal angel. There were kids among us who weren't particularly interested—either atheists or agnostics—but she never laid a finger on them. In fact, she always encouraged us to find our own path and never once pressured us. I was an atheist (even though my parents were Christians and believers), yet I was there making posters and going on little mission trips with the religion teacher 😁 Now that I'm an adult and seeing the divide between believers and "non-believers," I've always wondered why she specifically adored and supported me, especially since I was so vocal about my views. And I'm grateful to her for that. Computer science, German, and Italian were, of course, in the afternoon shift. It took me about half an hour to get home and back, so I’d just head home, grab a bite, and come back. On the other hand, because of what the neighbors might say, if you're already going to religion class, you might as well go for the sacraments. It was such a struggle. Around the time of my First Communion, it overlapped perfectly with swimming lessons and parish religion classes. Naturally, most of the kids in my class couldn't swim (I could), and the priest rebelled, demanding they be put in a different group because swimming wasn't nearly as important as the parish classes. So, swimming got pushed to extra credit hours (how helpful!), which meant I was the only one taking advanced math. We were just kids, so we spent more time teasing each other than actually listening. The standard stuff: slamming Bibles on desks and threats of hell. But I powered through all of it. At the end of elementary school, Confirmation came around, and that's when the threats started: "You have to do this, because of what people will say." All the people I used to admire were suddenly deemed unworthy just because they were divorced or whatever. At the parish classes, it was more Bible-slamming and some new controversial instructor walking the aisles of those crumbling pews. Constant threats of hell for all of us. I once called out the priest for bragging about his new iPhone right in front of our eyes after he refused to give half a loaf of bread to a poor man (not money, just bread). From then on, I was a target. He talks about how *you* specifically have to save America because the demographics are collapsing, and that to prevent it, you have to find "true" Catholic Americans and have six kids. The boys in the group developed this radicalist spirit and were practically itching for the priest to lash out at us "non-Americans," communists, or whatever other "devils" he considers different. Of course, there was the exam that determines who can or cannot take Confirmation; the atheists scored 100% guaranteed, while the big, radicalized patriots couldn't even tell you if the Bible is divided into the Old and New Testaments. Then you have parents showing up with cross tattoos on their biceps, and the boys pass with 100%. They ripped us off, charging us $40 or $50 for robes that we had to return because they were too small, too big, or torn. There was a video from a cameraman with Parkinson's (all respect to those suffering), photos of a drunk Bishop who had more alcohol in his system than a legendary winemaker from the South. In one photo, my godmother looks cut off and I look distorted (or maybe that's just my true self? Viewed through a pure Christian lens, in which case I'm disappointed I don't have horns). In high school, I naturally took Ethics. The teacher was brilliant, truly. Religion class was for grades 3 through 5. After the first year, 90% of them wanted to switch to Ethics. Guess what... they weren't allowed. But out of thousands of students in the whole school, five requested a transfer to religion class. Guess what... they were transferred. In Ethics, we discussed life, went volunteering for various charity drives at the town square just a minute from the school, decorated school boards for various holidays, collected donations for the poor during Christmas, engaged in critical discussions about solving real problems, and so on.
Karen Richardson3 Karen Richardson3 Active Member
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#1042 ·
redridge13 said:Interesting read here

Basically, this explains why they won't let religious studies be the first or last period in NYC schools, while high schools in places like Austin or San Diego can do whatever they want. It’s a perfect example of who actually holds the power in the American school system.🙄

"....But students in Austin or San Diego don't have to deal with this nonsense. Their schedules are usually set up so religion class is either the very first or the very last period, meaning kids either roll in late or head out early. Why on earth can't NYC schools follow the same logic?
– Apparently, that kind of schedule just doesn't work because of the religious teachers' other commitments – or so the principals claim....
"

That final sentence is super vague; it could mean those teachers have outside gigs, or it could mean they're just so overworked with classes that there's no way to squeeze everything into the first or last slots.

It's pretty obvious the whole situation is all over the place, and the fix is going to depend entirely on the specific school.
For instance, a small suburban school with maybe just one freshman class per year is definitely going to have way fewer logistical headaches than a massive urban high school juggling five different freshman groups.

Then you also have to consider whether the teacher is stationed at one campus full-time or if they're driving between three different districts every single day.

On top of that, some schools have libraries that stay open all day, while others might only be open for a couple of hours, or maybe even just three days a week.

Take our school, for example: we have a dedicated classroom for religious studies, so those students go there, while everyone else stays in their regular room or hangs out in the courtyard (with their homeroom teacher, who I assume is getting paid for that period anyway).

Like I've mentioned before regarding this topic, the pressure really needs to be placed on the federal government; they're the ones who need to step up and organize actual alternatives.
The Church fights for its own interests and wins them, so it's really up to the government to design decent options for the kids who aren't participating in religious studies (at least for the elementary years).

Now I'm starting to wonder how this is handled in other USA countries that teach religion or religious culture—do they offer ethics classes instead, or do the kids just get a free period? And if it's the latter, how does that even work in practice?
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#1043 ·
Look, I’m telling you—that hour isn't actually part of her paid schedule. It’s just her own free time that she’s choosing to give up—mostly because she doesn't want your kids running around unsupervised and getting into all sorts of trouble.

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Karen Richardson3 Karen Richardson3 Active Member
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joined Jul 2012
#1044 ·
Honestly, I’m pretty sure she’s getting paid for it since we're running a full-day program—not even an extended one—so it’s totally plausible.
The kids are basically at school from 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM, and they have two different teachers rotating through shifts.
She’d still be working that same hour, just with a free period, except now her class size is effectively cut in half because our religious education enrollment is split right down the middle.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1045 ·
Religious studies finally hit the public school curriculum back in '91 or '92

Before that, you could only take it through private parochial schools
Nancy Kelly31 Nancy Kelly31 Member
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#1046 ·
Larry Walker24 said:Religious studies finally hit the public school curriculum back in '91 or '92

Before that, you could only take it through private parochial schools

Actually, that was simply when religious education returned to the school system... though I suppose factual accuracy isn't particularly important when one is more interested in sparking a revolution or making sure everything sounds sufficiently modern and progressive...
Chloe Roberts2 Chloe Roberts2 Active Member
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#1047 ·
Religious education shouldn't even be part of the school curriculum because it’s not about teaching actual facts; instead, it just turns into a platform for discrimination. Plus, these instructors answer to the church rather than the state, and since there isn't a real secular alternative offered in elementary schools, we aren't actually providing proper supervision for the kids.
All of this stems from the fundamental issues with religious classes and those outdated Vatican agreements.
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#1048 ·
I honestly can't wait for the moment when people decide to "return" to the idea that Earth is flat, that physics means the Sun and the stars revolve around us, or that biology suggests all plants and animals just popped into existence in a single day... It’s all just a bit too "modern" for us Americans; we seem to have a real soft spot for the Middle Ages 😵
Chloe Roberts2 Chloe Roberts2 Active Member
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#1049 ·
She’s just fishing for a reaction, honestly. You can see she’s only suddenly claiming that religious studies have been reinstated in schools right after some other user on this board brought it up
Jason Ortiz5 Jason Ortiz5 Regular
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#1050 ·
Nancy Kelly31 said:Actually, that was simply when religious education returned to the school system... though I suppose factual accuracy isn't particularly important when one is more interested in sparking a revolution or making sure everything sounds sufficiently modern and progressive...

I mean, if we aren't going for "modern," should we just bring back corporal punishment and being forced to kneel in the cornfield?
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1051 ·
Nancy Kelly31 said:Actually, that was simply when religious education returned to the school system... though I suppose factual accuracy isn't particularly important when one is more interested in sparking a revolution or making sure everything sounds sufficiently modern and progressive...

The Constitution literally says church and state are separate, yet they've got religious ed in public schools—it just goes to show that America is a total joke of a country.
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
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joined Apr 2019
#1052 ·
Look, I’m no believer, but I actually think having religion classes in public schools is a lesser evil than leaving it all to the churches. Since religious influence is so massive here in America, any hate speech buried in official school curriculum is way easier to track, control, and scrub out than if that stuff is happening behind closed doors in some basement halfway from the secular public eye.

Then again, that's just my take. Personally, I don't think religion has a place in the classroom at all.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1053 ·
So why does religion class get two hours a week in elementary school but then gets cut down to just one in high school?
briskbison55 briskbison55 Active Member
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#1054 ·
Chloe Roberts2 said:Religious education shouldn't even be part of the school curriculum because it’s not about teaching actual facts; instead, it just turns into a platform for discrimination. Plus, these instructors answer to the church rather than the state, and since there isn't a real secular alternative offered in elementary schools, we aren't actually providing proper supervision for the kids.
All of this stems from the fundamental issues with religious classes and those outdated Vatican agreements.

Just pure propaganda and nonsense. It feels like these poor kids are forced to kneel on broken glass while priests kiss them on the forehead. Religion should be a choice, you know? In a democratic society, people get to choose, but the idea that these teachers are somehow above the law is just ridiculous.

Larry Walker24 said:The Constitution literally says church and state are separate, yet they've got religious ed in public schools—it just goes to show that America is a total joke of a country.

Well, if it bothers you that much, maybe just move away? I mean, in a country that is like 90% Catholic, having an elective called religious studies is pretty standard. You're acting way too aggressive, I guess, jumping straight to calling us a failure of a nation.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1055 ·
briskbison55 said:Just pure propaganda and nonsense. It feels like these poor kids are forced to kneel on broken glass while priests kiss them on the forehead. Religion should be a choice, you know? In a democratic society, people get to choose, but the idea that these teachers are somehow above the law is just ridiculous.

Well, if it bothers you that much, maybe just move away? I mean, in a country that is like 90% Catholic, having an elective called religious studies is pretty standard. You're acting way too aggressive, I guess, jumping straight to calling us a failure of a nation.

Nah, according to the last census, it’s more like 86%,

but even if only 10% actually live out the Catholic faith, that’s still plenty. If you want a real test of how many Catholics there actually are, look at church taxes like they have in >. See how fast Americans would bail then.
so stop bragging about "90% of Americans"—you can think whatever you want. They might be Catholic, but they're out partying, drinking, and cheating before marriage...
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#1056 ·
briskbison55 said:Just pure propaganda and nonsense. It feels like these poor kids are forced to kneel on broken glass while priests kiss them on the forehead. Religion should be a choice, you know? In a democratic society, people get to choose, but the idea that these teachers are somehow above the law is just ridiculous.

Well, if it bothers you that much, maybe just move away? I mean, in a country that is like 90% Catholic, having an elective called religious studies is pretty standard. You're acting way too aggressive, I guess, jumping straight to calling us a failure of a nation.

And besides, setting up a scheduling conflict like that right in the middle of a normal school day... I mean, for the kids who don't opt for religion, maybe someone watches them, or maybe they don't—they just end up hanging out in the hallway staring at nothing for 45 minutes, twice a week.
What a brilliant way to handle it. Truly. It definitely doesn't feel like any kind of subtle pressure being put on parents to force them into choosing religious ed... ☕
shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#1057 ·
Larry Walker24 said:Nah, according to the last census, it’s more like 86%,

but even if only 10% actually live out the Catholic faith, that’s still plenty. If you want a real test of how many Catholics there actually are, look at church taxes like they have in >. See how fast Americans would bail then.
so stop bragging about "90% of Americans"—you can think whatever you want. They might be Catholic, but they're out partying, drinking, and cheating before marriage...

That's just how they identified on paper... nobody forced them to pick a label... so if that's what they said, that's what they are.
Works for me since I'm Catholic... as for everyone else who's suddenly annoyed about it, shut up now that you've already made your mark... unless you wanna go change your status.
James Alvarez2 James Alvarez2 Active Member
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#1058 ·
shadowcrane91 said:That's just how they identified on paper... nobody forced them to pick a label... so if that's what they said, that's what they are.
Works for me since I'm Catholic... as for everyone else who's suddenly annoyed about it, shut up now that you've already made your mark... unless you wanna go change your status.

As a Catholic, you’d probably find this totally fine...

Sarah Hall53 said:And besides, setting up a scheduling conflict like that right in the middle of a normal school day... I mean, for the kids who don't opt for religion, maybe someone watches them, or maybe they don't—they just end up hanging out in the hallway staring at nothing for 45 minutes, twice a week.
What a brilliant way to handle it. Truly. It definitely doesn't feel like any kind of subtle pressure being put on parents to force them into choosing religious ed... ☕

I'm asking you as a Catholic.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1059 ·
shadowcrane91 said:That's just how they identified on paper... nobody forced them to pick a label... so if that's what they said, that's what they are.
Works for me since I'm Catholic... as for everyone else who's suddenly annoyed about it, shut up now that you've already made your mark... unless you wanna go change your status.

And what, you're just following Bozanić's orders and living strictly by Church doctrine now?
shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#1060 ·
James Alvarez2 said:As a Catholic, you’d probably find this totally fine...

I'm asking you as a Catholic.

Look, I'm not going to get into how they decide on religious curriculum in public schools... that’s not really my lane.
Outside of a few people on this forum, I haven't heard a single soul in my neighborhood, my school, or even at the park complaining about it... and trust me, we have a massive circle of friends and acquaintances, both Catholic and non-Catholic.
As for having religion taught in schools? I've got absolutely nothing against it.

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