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Richard Perez3 Richard Perez3 Active Member
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#1021 ·
redridge13 said:That old guy from the neighborhood is basically illiterate, to begin with ☕

Honestly, there's no way I'd let my kid sit through religion class either
If I actually wanted them listening to all that absolute bullshit, I would've just enrolled them in a private academy

Or just dragged them out to Coachella instead

Word.
I am totally with you on this.
It actually just popped into my head—a friend of mine was telling me (our kids go to the same school, just different first grade classes) that she absolutely lost it the other day. Turns out her daughter wasn't even going to the library with the teacher like they agreed during those two hours of religious ed. Instead, the teacher just had her sit there listening to...

...Islamic studies.
🤦
Richard Fowler13 Richard Fowler13 Member
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#1022 ·
amberskipper3 said:And why shouldn't she have shared it?
She didn't reach out to him privately; she contacted him in his capacity as a public school employee.
Besides, the guy is unrefined and frankly doesn't know how to carry himself. I wouldn't want someone like that teaching my kid.
I guess we just have different standards.
The absolute highlight of this whole mess? The guy is heading toward retirement.


I have to disagree with you, and frankly, given the legal framework we live under, I suspect a court wouldn't side with you either; she could have relayed what he said, provided she omitted his specific identity.

I don't quite follow the comment about him retiring—is that supposed to be a bad thing? The man has decades of experience, most parents are satisfied, and his professional references are stellar.

I'm not going to get bogged down in the specifics of how religious education is organized in our public schools, because the system is what it is. Schools are doing their best to balance things within the current constraints. Unless the federal regulations change, we aren't going to see any fundamental shift in how things work.

As for this mother, I won't dwell on her too much, but she strikes me as one of those high-maintenance, exhausting types of parents...

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rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1023 ·
Smart 😂

I wouldn't want my kid sitting through religion classes either, whether it's Catholic or Muslim, but looking at this thread, did the student even show up to class? Or am I misreading things?
hollowhawk13 hollowhawk13 Newcomer
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#1024 ·
Richard Perez3 said:Word.
I am totally with you on this.
It actually just popped into my head—a friend of mine was telling me (our kids go to the same school, just different first grade classes) that she absolutely lost it the other day. Turns out her daughter wasn't even going to the library with the teacher like they agreed during those two hours of religious ed. Instead, the teacher just had her sit there listening to...

...Islamic studies.
🤦

🤣
God, the things you have to wade through on this site lately.🤦
hollowhawk13 hollowhawk13 Newcomer
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#1025 ·
Richard Fowler13 said:I have to disagree with you, and frankly, given the legal framework we live under, I suspect a court wouldn't side with you either; she could have relayed what he said, provided she omitted his specific identity.

I don't quite follow the comment about him retiring—is that supposed to be a bad thing? The man has decades of experience, most parents are satisfied, and his professional references are stellar.

I'm not going to get bogged down in the specifics of how religious education is organized in our public schools, because the system is what it is. Schools are doing their best to balance things within the current constraints. Unless the federal regulations change, we aren't going to see any fundamental shift in how things work.

As for this mother, I won't dwell on her too much, but she strikes me as one of those high-maintenance, exhausting types of parents...

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Now, these are exactly the kinds of assessments I live for.🙄
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1026 ·
The chair should have been the one talking, not the person sitting in it 😂

Jokes aside, this could have been a really solid starting point for tackling the issue of getting free childcare for teachers
hiddenscout44 hiddenscout44 Member
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#1027 ·
The thing is, they're both right: why on earth would anyone do work they aren't getting paid for?
But then again, you look at professors today and they're basically just ghosts—they don't even do what we're actually paying them to do. Like, instead of teaching kids how to read, they just dump homework on us parents and expect us to be the tutors. I get that practice makes perfect, but why am I the one grinding with my kid when I’m already paying the school and the teachers to handle that during class hours? I remember back in elementary school, we had to practice reading during school time, and if you didn't nail it, your grade took a hit. My parents never sat down to drill me on reading (and yeah, my grades suffered because of it), but nowadays, it's totally standard for parents to have to teach everything at home. So what's the point of school then? It's honestly depressing that I have to tell my kid not to burn herself out over schoolwork—to learn what she can, sure, but not to obsess over the grades... because a GPA isn't some indicator of her actual worth or what she truly knows.

And while we're on the subject of religion, it sucks that those of us raised Christian—even though we've woken up from that sheep mentality—have to fight this battle against religious extremists ourselves. We're trying not to subject our kids to that brainwashing, while people from other faiths are basically playing dead and sending their kids to those classes just out of fear (I've seen it happen at my little girl's school)
hollowhawk13 hollowhawk13 Newcomer
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#1028 ·
hiddenscout44 said:The thing is, they're both right: why on earth would anyone do work they aren't getting paid for?
But then again, you look at professors today and they're basically just ghosts—they don't even do what we're actually paying them to do. Like, instead of teaching kids how to read, they just dump homework on us parents and expect us to be the tutors. I get that practice makes perfect, but why am I the one grinding with my kid when I’m already paying the school and the teachers to handle that during class hours? I remember back in elementary school, we had to practice reading during school time, and if you didn't nail it, your grade took a hit. My parents never sat down to drill me on reading (and yeah, my grades suffered because of it), but nowadays, it's totally standard for parents to have to teach everything at home. So what's the point of school then? It's honestly depressing that I have to tell my kid not to burn herself out over schoolwork—to learn what she can, sure, but not to obsess over the grades... because a GPA isn't some indicator of her actual worth or what she truly knows.

And while we're on the subject of religion, it sucks that those of us raised Christian—even though we've woken up from that sheep mentality—have to fight this battle against religious extremists ourselves. We're trying not to subject our kids to that brainwashing, while people from other faiths are basically playing dead and sending their kids to those classes just out of fear (I've seen it happen at my little girl's school)

Personally, I think if the school administration—the principal and whoever else is running the show—actually put in a modicum of effort, they could organize this whole thing regardless of those pesky agreements with the Vatican or the general mess that is our federal government.
It just takes a little initiative instead of being completely useless, as you put it.
Why should a teacher be expected to babysit kids if there isn't a paycheck attached to it? They shouldn't.
But with some sort of coordinated plan, you could pull in the librarian, the guidance counselor, the counselor's aide, or even an assistant—and let's face it, our local school district has plenty of those floating around. It’s all about willpower and actual organization. Schools always have staff members who aren't tied to specific classroom hours; they could easily be slotted into the schedule.
And that leads me to a question: those teachers who run extracurriculars—like choir, art club, dance, or chess... are they actually compensated for that? Is it part of their official contract hours, or are they just volunteering their lives away?
Susan James Susan James VeteranOP
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#1029 ·
hiddenscout44 said:The thing is, they're both right: why on earth would anyone do work they aren't getting paid for?
But then again, you look at professors today and they're basically just ghosts—they don't even do what we're actually paying them to do. Like, instead of teaching kids how to read, they just dump homework on us parents and expect us to be the tutors. I get that practice makes perfect, but why am I the one grinding with my kid when I’m already paying the school and the teachers to handle that during class hours? I remember back in elementary school, we had to practice reading during school time, and if you didn't nail it, your grade took a hit. My parents never sat down to drill me on reading (and yeah, my grades suffered because of it), but nowadays, it's totally standard for parents to have to teach everything at home. So what's the point of school then? It's honestly depressing that I have to tell my kid not to burn herself out over schoolwork—to learn what she can, sure, but not to obsess over the grades... because a GPA isn't some indicator of her actual worth or what she truly knows.

And while we're on the subject of religion, it sucks that those of us raised Christian—even though we've woken up from that sheep mentality—have to fight this battle against religious extremists ourselves. We're trying not to subject our kids to that brainwashing, while people from other faiths are basically playing dead and sending their kids to those classes just out of fear (I've seen it happen at my little girl's school)

You know what I find really interesting about this whole discussion?
There were two moms chiming in here whose kids take religious education classes.

One mom was very clear that she’d be furious if her child needed extra help learning, yet the teacher is using that religious ed period to give supplemental lessons in English to the non-religious students.

It feels like there’s zero sense of priority. We enroll our kids in school specifically for core academics where the teachers are experts, right? So, honestly, you shouldn't even be worrying about electives until you can read and write. A teacher should find a different time slot that works for everyone, leaving the other kids free during that period.
Or, let the kids go to their religious studies while the parent stays home to work with them, maybe hiring a private tutor or speech pathologist... which is basically what the second mom said. She’s actually happy her kid gets to attend religious ed at school because it provides opportunities she can't offer at home (🙄), and she’d much rather pay for a private speech therapist in the afternoon than ask the school therapist to pull her kid out of religious ed when the child is struggling with basic reading and writing.
Honestly, that doesn't seem right to me. If I saw an opening in the schedule, I’d prioritize the fundamentals first.

I mean, if we’re going along with the logic that religious education was brought back to schools in the early 90s, then why not just move the schools into the church? Let the priests handle the academics since teachers are already underpaid anyway—at least then they might actually be doing something useful.
Rachel Young3 Rachel Young3 Active Member
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#1030 ·
Richard Perez3 said:Word.
I am totally with you on this.
It actually just popped into my head—a friend of mine was telling me (our kids go to the same school, just different first grade classes) that she absolutely lost it the other day. Turns out her daughter wasn't even going to the library with the teacher like they agreed during those two hours of religious ed. Instead, the teacher just had her sit there listening to...

...Islamic studies.
🤦

🤣🤣🤣

When I was in school, I didn't even realize you could opt out of religious education classes.
Honestly, I don't think it was even an option back then...🤔

During my student teaching internship at one school, there was this little girl from a Muslim family just sitting on a bench in the hallway while her entire class was in their religion period.
I asked her why she was just sitting there... it’s freezing outside and why wouldn't she just head to the library? (There's always a librarian or some teachers running after-school programs there, plenty of places to sit... nobody even has to babysit her... but at least she'd be warm). She just tells me she's fine right where she is.🤔

Then there was this other time, I was doing a presentation at a different school and I walk into the classroom... and I see an Orthodox priest standing there. I ask him if I can just hand out some papers to the kids, and he says sure. So I start passing them out, and this little kid goes, "Give me another one for my friend, he isn't here right now." Nothing... I give him the paper, and then the priest turns to me and goes, "Yeah, you know... this is only half the class because these are the Islamic studies students."

And I'm just standing there like...😕 why on earth is an Orthodox priest teaching Islamic studies??
I swear, those two are probably working together behind the scenes whenever they need to...🤣
Karen Richardson3 Karen Richardson3 Active Member
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#1031 ·
Rachel Young3 said:🤣🤣🤣

When I was in school, I didn't even realize you could opt out of religious education classes.
Honestly, I don't think it was even an option back then...🤔

During my student teaching internship at one school, there was this little girl from a Muslim family just sitting on a bench in the hallway while her entire class was in their religion period.
I asked her why she was just sitting there... it’s freezing outside and why wouldn't she just head to the library? (There's always a librarian or some teachers running after-school programs there, plenty of places to sit... nobody even has to babysit her... but at least she'd be warm). She just tells me she's fine right where she is.🤔

Then there was this other time, I was doing a presentation at a different school and I walk into the classroom... and I see an Orthodox priest standing there. I ask him if I can just hand out some papers to the kids, and he says sure. So I start passing them out, and this little kid goes, "Give me another one for my friend, he isn't here right now." Nothing... I give him the paper, and then the priest turns to me and goes, "Yeah, you know... this is only half the class because these are the Islamic studies students."

And I'm just standing there like...😕 why on earth is an Orthodox priest teaching Islamic studies??
I swear, those two are probably working together behind the scenes whenever they need to...🤣

I mean, honestly, you could always just skip religion class if you wanted to; it was always treated as an elective rather than something you were actually forced to take.

I went to elementary school back in the 90s, right in the middle of the war years, so even back then, religious education wasn't exactly mandatory for us. It’s funny looking back, though, because that was the exact era when most people were finally discovering God and stepping out from under that heavy shadow of the old communist regime. 🙂
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1032 ·
Just to confirm, I didn't take religion classes back in 1993 🙂
Rachel Young3 Rachel Young3 Active Member
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#1033 ·
Religious studies was basically just a free GPA boost for everyone since we all got an automatic A... plus, the teacher spent most of the time rambling about his own life stories instead of actually teaching us anything about God anyway...
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#1034 ·
Yeah, we saw some fours, even a few threes here and there, though I don't think any of them actually hit the mark. 🤔
hiddenscout44 hiddenscout44 Member
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#1035 ·
Rachel Young3 said:Religious studies was basically just a free GPA boost for everyone since we all got an automatic A... plus, the teacher spent most of the time rambling about his own life stories instead of actually teaching us anything about God anyway...

yeah, right... think again
my religion teacher back in the early '90s was basically a priest-in-training who ended up running the local parish, and let me tell you, those classes were anything but an "easy A." This guy was something else—he straight up bought a new car with church funds, and when someone scratched it, he’d drag us kids into class and psychologically torment us until someone confessed. Honestly, I still have no clue who did it, and it probably wasn't even one of us, just some random person from the neighborhood. He also made us collect these little stamps to prove we went to Mass, otherwise, we couldn't move on to communion...
since I'm one of the few people who actually signed up for religious studies before it was even part of the school curriculum—just because I was genuinely curious about the mysticism behind it all—all I really walked away with was trauma and this constant, nagging guilt about potentially offending God. And I definitely didn't want to pass that fear onto my kid, who's growing up totally innocent...
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1036 ·
Richard Perez3 said:Word.
I am totally with you on this.
It actually just popped into my head—a friend of mine was telling me (our kids go to the same school, just different first grade classes) that she absolutely lost it the other day. Turns out her daughter wasn't even going to the library with the teacher like they agreed during those two hours of religious ed. Instead, the teacher just had her sit there listening to...

...Islamic studies.
🤦

Absolute peak!! 🙏 😂
Rachel Young3 Rachel Young3 Active Member
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#1037 ·
Our old instructor never married, so he never actually made priest...
Everyone knew him as a total flirt who loved his drinks; I remember one time he even snuck a beer into class and just sipped on it while rambling about his weekend plans...

I was in elementary school from '95 to '03

But I heard recently that he finally found someone to settle down with, which means he’s finally getting his own parish assignment...🤣
Gerald Palmer66 Gerald Palmer66 Active Member
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#1038 ·
Religious studies, regardless of the denomination, simply has no business being part of the public school curriculum, and that’s that.
It honestly terrifies me to think I share a country with people who hold these views.
The whole thing feels incredibly hypocritical, selfish, and fundamentally dishonest.

I mean, how could any sane person—unless they were intentionally trying to stir up trouble—possibly argue that this teacher's response is acceptable just because of their job title?
Gerald Palmer66 Gerald Palmer66 Active Member
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#1039 ·
hiddenscout44 said:yeah, right... think again
my religion teacher back in the early '90s was basically a priest-in-training who ended up running the local parish, and let me tell you, those classes were anything but an "easy A." This guy was something else—he straight up bought a new car with church funds, and when someone scratched it, he’d drag us kids into class and psychologically torment us until someone confessed. Honestly, I still have no clue who did it, and it probably wasn't even one of us, just some random person from the neighborhood. He also made us collect these little stamps to prove we went to Mass, otherwise, we couldn't move on to communion...
since I'm one of the few people who actually signed up for religious studies before it was even part of the school curriculum—just because I was genuinely curious about the mysticism behind it all—all I really walked away with was trauma and this constant, nagging guilt about potentially offending God. And I definitely didn't want to pass that fear onto my kid, who's growing up totally innocent...

We had similar tactics used against us back in the day, though I honestly can't fathom how they didn't feel any shame about it themselves.☕
But apparently, color-coded copying actually works.🙂
redridge13 redridge13 Active Member
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#1040 ·
Interesting read here

Basically, this explains why they won't let religious studies be the first or last period in NYC schools, while high schools in places like Austin or San Diego can do whatever they want. It’s a perfect example of who actually holds the power in the American school system.🙄

"....But students in Austin or San Diego don't have to deal with this nonsense. Their schedules are usually set up so religion class is either the very first or the very last period, meaning kids either roll in late or head out early. Why on earth can't NYC schools follow the same logic?
– Apparently, that kind of schedule just doesn't work because of the religious teachers' other commitments – or so the principals claim....
"

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