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Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1101 ·
shadowcrane91 said:The majority made their choice, and by doing so, they basically handed both the church and the government a free pass.

It's the exact same cycle... we just keep voting for the Republican Party or the Democratic Party on loop, everyone complains, but then they go out and vote for them anyway. It’s ridiculous.

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Look, even the Nazis took power legally through elections back in '33 because that's what the majority decided at the time.

If it wasn't for Mark, we wouldn't have had same-sex marriage in America, all because "the masses" supposedly spoke up.

Where exactly did this massive group of people decide in '91 that they wanted religious studies in schools? Was there even a national referendum on that? I don't think so.
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#1102 ·
I actually dig the logic here—it’s wild. We have kids who aren't even starting school yet, sitting in preschool at seven years old, basically under constant adult supervision. Then, on the flip side, you’ve got these kids who get fast-tracked into first grade before they’ve even hit six, and they’re supposedly "independent" enough to wander a hallway alone for two forty-five-minute sessions a week.
And you still didn't answer me—what happens when the older, bigger kids decide to pick on the little ones? Especially when there isn't an adult anywhere in sight? Oh, wait, I know... we just blame it on "nature" or whatever excuse the majority uses to justify keeping things the way they are.

Honestly, when are you religious studies advocates going to realize that if this wasn't shoved right into the middle of the daily schedule—but instead offered during the very first or last periods, or maybe on a different rotation like any other elective—the number of people complaining about it would be cut in half, if not two-thirds?
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1103 ·
At this one high school (not saying which city, but whatever), kids are ditching religion class for ethics in droves at the end of freshman year. It’s happening on such a massive scale that we actually have to start turning people away because there isn't enough physical space in the classrooms to fit them all.

It’s pretty obvious the religious curriculum is totally failing to connect with them.

And don't even get me started on the local Bishop's suggestion. He actually proposed that the high school should hand over a dedicated room just so students would have a private spot for confession. 🤦

Naturally, management shot that idea down immediately.
shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#1104 ·
rowdypanther12 said:So, shadowcrane91, do you really think it’s okay to bake Catholic values into laws that apply to everyone?

Look, in any country, the majority calls the shots. Whoever the majority picks, that's how it works...
The majority voted for the Republican Party, so the Republican Party is running things....
The majority identified as Catholic, so we’re a Catholic nation.....

Besides, people have choices.... nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic or show up to Sunday school.....

Go ahead, try to name one single country where religion and politics aren't completely intertwined.....

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redridge13 redridge13 Active Member
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#1105 ·
If they’d given Liljana Vokić two whole classrooms back in high school, we might actually be getting somewhere 🙄

Anyway, wasn't there a story in the news or on TV not too long ago about some statue of the Virgin Mary (you know, the one that doesn't glow in the dark 😬) just sitting in the hallway of some high school 🤔

Edit: Found it, here Turns out it was an elementary school, which honestly makes it even more messed up than I originally thought...

In this damn secular country 🤮 🤮
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1106 ·
shadowcrane91 said:Look, in any country, the majority calls the shots. Whoever the majority picks, that's how it works...
The majority voted for the Republican Party, so the Republican Party is running things....
The majority identified as Catholic, so we’re a Catholic nation.....

Besides, people have choices.... nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic or show up to Sunday school.....

Go ahead, try to name one single country where religion and politics aren't completely intertwined.....

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No, I don't think you quite understood my point 🙂
If it's okay for religious instruction to be in schools and take up middle-of-the-day class time just "because the majority identifies as Catholic," then is it also okay for state laws to prohibit things that are forbidden to Catholics?
redridge13 redridge13 Active Member
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#1107 ·
rowdypanther12 said:No, I don't think you quite understood my point 🙂
If it's okay for religious instruction to be in schools and take up middle-of-the-day class time just "because the majority identifies as Catholic," then is it also okay for state laws to prohibit things that are forbidden to Catholics?

Look, people are working on it, so quit being so impatient. It’s a lifetime's worth of work, not a weekend project. 🙄

Most of the loudmouthed Catholics in America have already slipped right into breaking the 7th Commandment (it’s a total mess with all these religious folks).
And honestly, some of them—including a huge chunk within the Church itself—have already crossed the line into the 6th. ☕

The hypocrisy is off the charts.
It's pathetic.
Daniel Gomez10 Daniel Gomez10 Active Member
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#1108 ·
shadowcrane91 said:Look, in any country, the majority calls the shots. Whoever the majority picks, that's how it works...
The majority voted for the Republican Party, so the Republican Party is running things....
The majority identified as Catholic, so we’re a Catholic nation.....

Besides, people have choices.... nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic or show up to Sunday school.....

Go ahead, try to name one single country where religion and politics aren't completely intertwined.....

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Yeah, but sometimes the "choice" means your kid ends up sitting in the hallway while everyone else is in class...
Until there's an actual plan for where those students go when they opt out, it's not really a choice at all.

And no, the USA isn't a Catholic nation; it's just a country with a Catholic majority...

Also, you still haven't answered me—if kids can just fend for themselves, what's even the point of being at school?
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1109 ·
shadowcrane91 said:Look, in any country, the majority calls the shots. Whoever the majority picks, that's how it works...
The majority voted for the Republican Party, so the Republican Party is running things....
The majority identified as Catholic, so we’re a Catholic nation.....

Besides, people have choices.... nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic or show up to Sunday school.....

Go ahead, try to name one single country where religion and politics aren't completely intertwined.....

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Like Sweden, Canada, Norway, Germany, or France (they don't even have religious education in schools)....
Susan James Susan James VeteranOP
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#1110 ·
shadowcrane91 said:My kids walk to school by themselves.....
So basically—I'm just totally neglecting them..... poor things.....

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What exactly are you basing that conclusion on?

Not all kids are ready to walk to school alone in first grade.
Plus, we aren't talking about the commute to and from school here. We're talking about kids wandering around during a free period, being left alone in hallways, classrooms, or bathrooms.... leaving them to potentially run into an eighth grader who might decide to have a little fun with a random passerby, who happens to be a kid with a gap in their schedule.
And why do they even have a gap in their schedule?
Because someone issued a directive that religious studies must be held during a specific period, so if they don't participate, they just end up hanging around.

Personally, my daughter doesn't just hang around. She stays busy—reading comics, drawing, picking up a book from the library, or heading out to the playground.
But I also know that isn't how things are set up at every school.
She’s lucky enough that she isn't the only one in her class, so there's a small group of kids hanging out together during that hour. But I know for a fact that in many schools, that's not the case. You have kids sitting there completely alone, and not every school has a library readily available or a teacher with a free period who actually wants to supervise them.

Should kids, at the very start of their schooling, really be socializing with the janitors in the hallway? Getting to know the maintenance crew? Watching to see which parent shows up more often for updates (if they happen during religious studies)?
And for what purpose?
All because religious studies is mandated for a specific period.

Since your kids are already walking to school independently, why not suggest they walk to the local church for their religious classes? I assume you go to Mass together, unless they’re going to Mass solo too.

Would you consider having them come in during the afternoon session instead?
Or maybe suggesting they take a zero period in the morning?

This isn't about majorities versus minorities; it's about the fact that every child deserves a basic education and equal treatment.
We don't expect every child to have identical musical, athletic, or linguistic needs—so we offer those in different shifts or in the evenings, and parents drive them. Why then do we assume everyone has the exact same religious needs? Just because a majority expresses them that way...🤔
amberskipper3 amberskipper3 Active Member
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#1111 ·
shadowcrane91 said:Look, in any country, the majority calls the shots. Whoever the majority picks, that's how it works...
The majority voted for the Republican Party, so the Republican Party is running things....
The majority identified as Catholic, so we’re a Catholic nation.....

Besides, people have choices.... nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic or show up to Sunday school.....

Go ahead, try to name one single country where religion and politics aren't completely intertwined.....

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Really?
What century are you living in?
shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#1112 ·
rowdypanther12 said:No, I don't think you quite understood my point 🙂
If it's okay for religious instruction to be in schools and take up middle-of-the-day class time just "because the majority identifies as Catholic," then is it also okay for state laws to prohibit things that are forbidden to Catholics?

Like, give me an example?????
I seriously didn't get what you were asking.
shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#1113 ·
redridge13 said:If they’d given Liljana Vokić two whole classrooms back in high school, we might actually be getting somewhere 🙄

Anyway, wasn't there a story in the news or on TV not too long ago about some statue of the Virgin Mary (you know, the one that doesn't glow in the dark 😬) just sitting in the hallway of some high school 🤔

Edit: Found it, here Turns out it was an elementary school, which honestly makes it even more messed up than I originally thought...

In this damn secular country 🤮 🤮

Wait, if this were a Catholic country, why wouldn't Catholic symbols be allowed in public institutions? (Okay, maybe that's a bit much even for me)
Is it because of that 14% who aren't Catholic????
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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#1114 ·
Because at the end of the day, this should primarily be a secular nation.
shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#1115 ·
Daniel Gomez10 said:Yeah, but sometimes the "choice" means your kid ends up sitting in the hallway while everyone else is in class...
Until there's an actual plan for where those students go when they opt out, it's not really a choice at all.

And no, the USA isn't a Catholic nation; it's just a country with a Catholic majority...

Also, you still haven't answered me—if kids can just fend for themselves, what's even the point of being at school?

Yeah... honestly, now that I think about it, I don't even know... I was basically raising myself from age seven, hanging out alone before and after school while my parents were at work... we didn't even have after-school care back then...
Those were some of the best times of my life in school.
Jason Ortiz5 Jason Ortiz5 Regular
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#1116 ·
shadowcrane91 said:My kids walk to school by themselves.....
So basically—I'm just totally neglecting them..... poor things.....

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Honestly, I can't even begin to tell you how much I love chatting with people who twist everything just to make themselves right. ☕
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#1117 ·
shadowcrane91 said:Wait, if this were a Catholic country, why wouldn't Catholic symbols be allowed in public institutions? (Okay, maybe that's a bit much even for me)
Is it because of that 14% who aren't Catholic????

But look, we live in a secular nation—the United States of America (Rhode Island style logic aside). It’s not the "Catholic Republic of America" (Kansas style logic),
even if some people seem a bit confused about that part. 🤷

Though, honestly, once you realize how religious education classes are scheduled right in the middle of everything—I mean, did you know even people from other faiths sign their kids up just so they don't get left out or stuck sitting alone in the hallway? It's a whole thing. And then you have computer science offered in the opposite shift... man, I sometimes wonder if we should just add that 'C' back in for 'Catholic' somewhere, just so everyone finally understands how things actually work. 👍
Michelle Nelson4 Michelle Nelson4 Regular
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#1118 ·
shadowcrane91 said:Look, in any country, the majority calls the shots. Whoever the majority picks, that's how it works...
The majority voted for the Republican Party, so the Republican Party is running things....
The majority identified as Catholic, so we’re a Catholic nation.....

Besides, people have choices.... nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic or show up to Sunday school.....

Go ahead, try to name one single country where religion and politics aren't completely intertwined.....

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LOL, "the majority," "the majority"... there's no such thing as a majority rule that justifies everything. I mean, if the majority decided to shove a minority into concentration camps and kill them in gas chambers, would that be okay just because the majority said so? 😵

And regarding the idea that one shouldn't even "breathe a word" against the laws of other countries where she might live—I can just picture her over there, perhaps following some local custom, only to end up facing a year in prison and a few lashes for having sex outside of marriage. It’s all perfectly legal and in line with their faith, yet somehow she still wouldn't have a problem with it... 🤦

Anyway, looking back through fifty posts, I haven't seen a single coherent explanation as to why it's considered "great" for non-religious kids to be independent—like sitting alone in a hallway during class without any supervision—but it's suddenly not okay for religious kids to be independent when they head off to their religious studies in a different period... though, of course, if they're heading off to do something else, then being independent is perfectly fine again. 🎉
Jason Ortiz5 Jason Ortiz5 Regular
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#1119 ·
shadowcrane91 said:Look, in any country, the majority calls the shots. Whoever the majority picks, that's how it works...
The majority voted for the Republican Party, so the Republican Party is running things....
The majority identified as Catholic, so we’re a Catholic nation.....

Besides, people have choices.... nobody is forcing anyone to be Catholic or show up to Sunday school.....

Go ahead, try to name one single country where religion and politics aren't completely intertwined.....

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There it is. You can clearly see what happens when schools don't teach civic responsibility.

Not only is what you're saying inaccurate, but it gets pretty scary when people with that kind of zeal start grabbing onto these ideas.
shadowcrane91 shadowcrane91 Active Member
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#1120 ·
Robert Rodriguez9 said:Because at the end of the day, this should primarily be a secular nation.

Oh, sure... because that makes total sense...

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