Atheism vs. Spirituality: Zero Tolerance

I don't care if he's an agnostic or an atheist—honestly, someone like him really needs to step up and help us believers actually understand one another...
He’d need to do it with some genuine hospitality and class, too.
Real, level-headed people shouldn't be out here acting intolerant; they should just be staying above all that petty, low-level drama.

Adam Ross6 said:I don't think you even grasp what junk food actually is. It’s just a creative—read: fake—imitation of the real thing.
Basically, it’s total garbage.
It's a bold way to ignore the truth.

That "junk food" you're talking about? It’s just a concept of food, not actual nourishment.

Total spin doctoring.

Just plain old lies.

Pure poison.

That’s some Burger King fan talking to a McDonald's loyalist.

P.S. KFC wins.

I suppose all these so-called atheists are right, though they haven't realized it yet. Because where I am, there aren't any other gods. (He says—that He is God)
Since God is the Word. The Bible is divine revelation... which implies it was spoken by the word—inspired by God... prompted by Him. It doesn't really matter that the original is lost and nobody actually knows what was written in it; instead, people just learn through a system of hearsay and lies.

Personally, I find the Devil's Bible, the "Codex Gigas," to be the most interesting. It was supposedly produced in a single night, written directly by Satan via a priest.

Unfortunately, atheists jumped the gun by fleeing straight into the arms of other atheists who consider themselves believers in bankers and merchants. Or rather, soul-selling con artists masquerading as various religions. And once again, the devil gets them; he's been swiping up these religious ignoramuses like flies for a long time now. Some have even met their end due to hallucinations.

So, everyone has been cheated, much like how you were all swindled by those bankers and merchants during the recent war. Nothing has been learned, and as Harmon would say, everyone is just... 12345

wearyowl29 said:And how exactly would you know what constitutes junk food? Is that based on some intense laboratory study of religious doctrines?

When something is used on a massive scale, it leaves a mark. We are unique individuals; none of us needs a translator or an interpreter to tell us what's what.

"And death will be something profoundly human..."
Those who spend their entire lives running away from it, desperately clinging to life, have already died without even realizing it.🎉👏

I just tell by looking at the people eating it.

They keep spinning this wheel and slapping a new brand on it every single day.
Another lie.

When something is used on a massive scale, it leaves a mark. We are unique individuals; we don't need translators or interpreters to tell us what's what.

So you think you're brave enough to live without the truth?

"And death will be something entirely human..."

It all depends on the person and what they're reaching for.

Whatever hope you have defines how much life—and death—actually matters.

Those who constantly run from it into the arms of life have already died without even realizing it. 👏 🎉

People don't really go out and "find" life. You just have to let life find you.

Those who try to stifle life end up alone in death.
Because, honestly, you can't run away from yourself.

Anthony Taylor393 said:Writing this as an agnostic who’s pretty fed up with a certain mindset I see popping up among some of our atheist and agnostic circles (specifically one group over on Meta) which basically claims we shouldn't show "any intellectual tolerance toward believers."

Personally, I find that whole vibe totally repellant. I get where they're coming from when they're tearing into hardline religious fundamentalists, but why does everything have to be viewed through such a negative lens? Why can't we admit that faith has actually inspired people to create, explore the world, produce timeless art, and even drive scientific breakthroughs?
I mean, look at Gregor Mendel—the guy was a humble priest and the literal father of modern genetics. He's just one in a long line of people we should probably feel embarrassed by, apparently, just because they dared to flirt with the idea of something beyond this world.

Honestly, the whole "militant atheism is the only way" thing? It gives me the creeps.

See, I don't have any intellectual tolerance for believers either—especially those modern ones who act like they're totally rational and don't have a medieval mindset stuck in their heads. To me, that’s just pure cowardice and conformism disguised as being "reasonable." These "rational believers" are the worst because they routinely refuse to show any intellectual tolerance toward shamans or fortune tellers, even though, at their core, those things are fundamentally similar to Christianity or Islam.

The real issue is that believers today want us to respect their faith just because they claim it inspired some great creators in the past.
Man, I’ve heard that argument so many times it makes me feel sick.
They’ll say Islam is responsible for mathematics or astronomy, and almost every Muslim believes that without Islam, none of that would exist.
Or they’ll say Isaac Newton was inspired by God since he was a clergyman, so we basically owe his laws of physics to Christianity and Christians.

But what does "inspired by God" even mean when you're creating something? For all we know, someone could have been inspired by a creator or even Santa Claus, but nobody mentions that for some "weird reason." People won't bring it up because they'd look like fools, mostly due to that lack of intellectual tolerance regarding "imaginary" inspirations that aren't Christian, Islamic, or part of some other major religion—not just from the religious folks, but from the atheists too.

Oh, so they were inspired by the Christian God for their art? Like they had any other choice back then!
During the Renaissance, people didn't really conceive of anything else besides the religious God to draw inspiration from. And even if they did, if they spoke up about it, they would have been burned at the stake right along with their artwork, which, let's face it, happened quite often.

Since Neoplatonism is credited with elevating monotheism to a higher "intellectual" level, and since Plato—acting as an ancient creationist—believed in Apollo and the crew on Olympus, then maybe it's time for Jews, Christians, and Muslims to sacrifice a lamb to Apollo. Just as a little thank-you, since he supposedly inspired Plato's philosophy, which paved the way for monotheism in the first place.

Anyone claiming that militant atheism is the only path is either a total fool or just using it as a religious talking point to throw at atheists when they run out of actual arguments in a debate.

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:From what I’ve gathered through my own little observations—and I say this quite calmly—it seems like some folks put such an absolute, blind faith in "common sense" and "science"... it's almost funny... they trust these concepts so much that they don't actually bother to use their own logic, nor do they truly grasp the science itself. They just sort of accept that science exists as a thing, you know? Like a given, without ever looking under the hood...

Just about a month ago, I found myself in a discussion with two people who were, well, let's just say they weren't exactly the brightest bulbs in the box... Not to get too carried away here—but despite having zero clue about the subject matter, and despite the fact that they don't follow any actual data—whereas I've spent countless hours buried in books trying to wrap my head around how everything connects—from politics and history to religion and economics... it felt like my perspective didn't carry a single ounce of weight simply because I have religious beliefs. Meanwhile, their arguments—which honestly had absolutely no foundation at all—were treated as gospel just because they aren't religious... 🙏

To them, "common sense" and "science" are just ideological labels—I guess Nikoletina Bursać was right about having a "scientific" worldview. Once they hear some "reliable" authority say that science and common sense can't coexist with the Church, they decide anything remotely connected to religion is backwards and reactionary.

Then you've got plenty of people on the flip side who treat religion as nothing more than an ideology.

You’re making the same mistake again, though I suppose I won't bother trying to convince you otherwise. I guess the brain will never truly grasp its higher Self as long as there isn't a literal hole or a bell installed in the top of your skull. Hahaha. The Ego essentially has to "surrender"—to open up to the Super-Ego—but until a human actually achieves consciousness, it's all just speculation. This whole cycle of guessing and learning through endless trial and error... it's exhausting. Once the Ego shrinks, the opening for the true Self expands. And once that happens, well, better late than never, I suppose, because then the NWO "operators" can just use that opening in your head to wash out whatever is left of your brain.

Carpenter actually made two prophetic, cautionary films about this exact issue quite a few years ago.
He's an incredible man.

They Live (1988)
Village of the Damned (1995)

Adam Ross6 said:I just tell by looking at the people eating it.

They keep spinning this wheel and slapping a new brand on it every single day.
Another lie.

When something is used on a massive scale, it leaves a mark. We are unique individuals; we don't need translators or interpreters to tell us what's what.

So you think you're brave enough to live without the truth?

"And death will be something entirely human..."

It all depends on the person and what they're reaching for.

Whatever hope you have defines how much life—and death—actually matters.

Those who constantly run from it into the arms of life have already died without even realizing it. 👏 🎉

People don't really go out and "find" life. You just have to let life find you.

Those who try to stifle life end up alone in death.
Because, honestly, you can't run away from yourself.

So, eternal life found you in a bag of Doritos, huh? 👏

Religion is built on faith, whereas spirituality is about direct experience. Because of that, I actually think it’s much easier to be a spiritual atheist than a spiritual believer.

Look, I’m not a believer...
But honestly? Believers are closer to the "truth" than atheists are.
Though, truth itself can be weird—multiple contradictory things could both be true at once...
It's all relative...
But atheism? There isn't a single ounce of logic in it, no matter how you slice it.
It's just...
They lack the big picture. They're missing that extra dimension of perspective...
They can't see past the box they're stuck in...
They don't have the capacity to reach an epiphany without reading it in a book or seeing it somewhere else...
They lack creativity and a sense of imagination...
The very stuff that sets humans apart from animals...
That ability to look further than what's right in front of your eyes...
They're completely lacking in that department.
And man, I can't decide who's worse...
The believers who get handed a tiny scrap of truth wrapped in a mountain of lies... making them impossible to reason with...
Or the ones who act all proud of being atheists...
Acting like it's just wonderful that this massive universe—which somehow managed to create this mathematically perfect setup of life, plants, planets, galaxies, and ratios from atoms to stars—just happened by pure accident without any intelligence behind it. Like, everything is just randomly placed.

You need intelligence to build a basic stool...
but apparently, they think you don't need a single brain cell to build their heads.

Why doesn't nature just accidentally stumble into building a car or a watch? If it's so easy to make complex stuff by accident, why not those? It's a billion times harder to build something like that without design.

Still... I really can't tell which group is more blind...

Michael Diaz6 said:Look, I’m not a believer...
But honestly? Believers are closer to the "truth" than atheists are.
Though, truth itself can be weird—multiple contradictory things could both be true at once...
It's all relative...
But atheism? There isn't a single ounce of logic in it, no matter how you slice it.
It's just...
They lack the big picture. They're missing that extra dimension of perspective...
They can't see past the box they're stuck in...
They don't have the capacity to reach an epiphany without reading it in a book or seeing it somewhere else...
They lack creativity and a sense of imagination...
The very stuff that sets humans apart from animals...
That ability to look further than what's right in front of your eyes...
They're completely lacking in that department.
And man, I can't decide who's worse...
The believers who get handed a tiny scrap of truth wrapped in a mountain of lies... making them impossible to reason with...
Or the ones who act all proud of being atheists...
Acting like it's just wonderful that this massive universe—which somehow managed to create this mathematically perfect setup of life, plants, planets, galaxies, and ratios from atoms to stars—just happened by pure accident without any intelligence behind it. Like, everything is just randomly placed.

You need intelligence to build a basic stool...
but apparently, they think you don't need a single brain cell to build their heads.

Why doesn't nature just accidentally stumble into building a car or a watch? If it's so easy to make complex stuff by accident, why not those? It's a billion times harder to build something like that without design.

Still... I really can't tell which group is more blind...

Where on earth are you getting the idea that atheists lack creativity? 🤔

Joseph Bailey41 said:Where on earth are you getting the idea that atheists lack creativity? 🤔

Creativity doesn't really have much to do with searching for God. Honestly, at a certain level of consciousness, pure creativity actually replaces all that digging and soul-searching for the divine. You basically become your own god, and honestly, that's more than enough for me!😒

Michael Diaz6 said:Look, I’m not a believer...
But honestly? Believers are closer to the "truth" than atheists are.
Though, truth itself can be weird—multiple contradictory things could both be true at once...
It's all relative...
But atheism? There isn't a single ounce of logic in it, no matter how you slice it.
It's just...
They lack the big picture. They're missing that extra dimension of perspective...
They can't see past the box they're stuck in...
They don't have the capacity to reach an epiphany without reading it in a book or seeing it somewhere else...
They lack creativity and a sense of imagination...
The very stuff that sets humans apart from animals...
That ability to look further than what's right in front of your eyes...
They're completely lacking in that department.
And man, I can't decide who's worse...
The believers who get handed a tiny scrap of truth wrapped in a mountain of lies... making them impossible to reason with...
Or the ones who act all proud of being atheists...
Acting like it's just wonderful that this massive universe—which somehow managed to create this mathematically perfect setup of life, plants, planets, galaxies, and ratios from atoms to stars—just happened by pure accident without any intelligence behind it. Like, everything is just randomly placed.

You need intelligence to build a basic stool...
but apparently, they think you don't need a single brain cell to build their heads.

Why doesn't nature just accidentally stumble into building a car or a watch? If it's so easy to make complex stuff by accident, why not those? It's a billion times harder to build something like that without design.

Still... I really can't tell which group is more blind...

When you spill a glass of water, is that pattern on the floor the product of intelligence? And whose intelligence?
I'm using the word "intelligence," even if I haven't got a clue what that specific brand of intelligence means to you.🤷 Explain yourself a bit.

I'm not an atheist, but atheism is just logically unsustainable.

wearyowl29 said:Creativity doesn't really have much to do with searching for God. Honestly, at a certain level of consciousness, pure creativity actually replaces all that digging and soul-searching for the divine. You basically become your own god, and honestly, that's more than enough for me!😒

🤔 I think I’m going to let it all out today—maybe I’ve finally lost my marbles.

It looks like I might not be as creative as I thought, since I haven't quite managed to become my own god. Maybe I'm just a little devil sometimes. Does that count?

Joseph Bailey41 said:Religion is built on faith, whereas spirituality is about direct experience. Because of that, I actually think it’s much easier to be a spiritual atheist than a spiritual believer.

Nonsense. An atheist cannot believe in anything spiritual; to suggest otherwise is pure hypocrisy. That would simply be spiritual pantheism or mysticism, not atheism. If you believe you possess a spiritual component, then that essence must have originated from some boundless, absolute spirit without a cause. Even if spirituality permeates life through manifestation, we are looking at the presence of a pantheistic God. Spirituality cannot arise through purely naturalistic means, and atheism is inextricably linked to naturalism. As I have previously stated, the logical conclusion of atheism is pessimism—a depression born from the inherent meaninglessness of existence.

How do you actually define "spiritual"? Personally, I get along just fine without any gods, but I don't consider myself a materialist either—nor am I a hypocrite. Either we’re talking about two completely different things here, or you're just talking nonsense.

Joseph Bailey41 said:How do you actually define "spiritual"? Personally, I get along just fine without any gods, but I don't consider myself a materialist either—nor am I a hypocrite. Either we’re talking about two completely different things here, or you're just talking nonsense.

In my view, being spiritual means prioritizing the non-material over the material. Atheism, by its nature, rejects the non-material because it views such things as supernatural. Spirituality implies something beyond the physical realm, whereas atheism is fundamentally linked to naturalism and materialism, which deny the existence of the supernatural. It seems your struggle lies in viewing God as a being similar to ourselves; however, there are many ways to understand this, and atheism specifically denies the supernatural.

Alright, look at it this way. Spaghetti is physical matter, but love? Love is intangible. So, if you’re prioritizing love over the pasta, you’re essentially being spiritual. Even if you don't believe in anything beyond the physical world. 😬

It’s not immaterial. It’s more like chemical-based signaling between biological entities, all driven by the basic need to survive and pass on their genes.

Well, there you have it—everything's out in the open now
Beljki, just wrap up that PDF and close it out