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Is death actually natural?

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Donna White50 Donna White50 Regular
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#101 ·
Let's be real—everyone deals with the fear of death. But there's a massive difference between feeling anxious about the concept of life ending and that raw, gut-wrenching moment when you realize your own life might actually be slipping away. With the first one, you can sort of work through it with logic—like, by growing as a person, accepting who we are in this big crazy world, and just getting comfortable with the fact that everything is temporary. You see this a lot with older folks... they've lived their lives, they're at peace, and they're ready to move on.
The second scenario is totally different. That's your primal survival instinct kicking in, pumping you full of adrenaline during a crisis just to give you every ounce of strength needed to fight for your life...

But honestly? When people talk about death, most aren't actually scared of dying—they're scared of helplessness. The idea that we won't be able to take care of ourselves, that we'll have to rely on others, or that we'll lose the ability to walk, eat, or even handle basic needs... that triggers such intense anxiety. We try to avoid all of that because while death is sudden, unconscious, and arguably natural—it's just a moment, and it doesn't have to be painful—helplessness is a slow, agonizing decline of everything that makes us human. Watching someone struggle at the end of their life, unable to truly let go, is one of the saddest and most traumatic things we can witness. I think people who claim they aren't afraid of death or helplessness usually just haven't sat with those thoughts long enough or dealt with those kinds of situations firsthand.

Personally, I'm not afraid of death. I actually see it as a release, and when the time comes, I want to embrace it fully and just become part of it. I don't want my body just sitting in some wooden box... I want my dust to be a part of the world I lived in.
What scares me is the loss of autonomy. It scares me so much that I’d rather end things myself if I ever felt like living lost its meaning—especially if I were forced into total isolation or complete dependence on others. At the end of the day, I believe everyone should have the right to decide how they live their life and how they find their own happiness.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#102 ·
Personally, I’m leaning toward cremation too, mostly just for the practical side of things. I wouldn't want anyone to be left guessing when the time comes. :nogica
Donna White50 Donna White50 Regular
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#103 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Personally, I’m leaning toward cremation too, mostly just for the practical side of things. I wouldn't want anyone to be left guessing when the time comes. :nogica

It almost never happens, but man, when it does, here's the real headache:
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Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#104 ·
Donna White50 said:It almost never happens, but man, when it does, here's the real headache:
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I know. Honestly, I’ve always had this silly dream of being some kind of folk hero or something similar. I doubt I'll ever actually get the chance, but hey, being a suicide bomber isn't exactly the worst fallback plan. Not right now, obviously, but maybe when I'm an old lady who doesn't look suspicious while selling violets in Times Square. Plus, plane crashes have a certain flair to them—so dramatic and mysterious. A private jet, though; I really wouldn't want to deal with people screaming. ☕

Regarding what you edited... I think that went out of style long before bonfires and all that stuff became a thing. So, definitely nothing to worry about.
Donna White50 Donna White50 Regular
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#105 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:I know. Honestly, I’ve always had this silly dream of being some kind of folk hero or something similar. I doubt I'll ever actually get the chance, but hey, being a suicide bomber isn't exactly the worst fallback plan. Not right now, obviously, but maybe when I'm an old lady who doesn't look suspicious while selling violets in Times Square. Plus, plane crashes have a certain flair to them—so dramatic and mysterious. A private jet, though; I really wouldn't want to deal with people screaming. ☕

Regarding what you edited... I think that went out of style long before bonfires and all that stuff became a thing. So, definitely nothing to worry about.

Man, if you're getting roasted alive in a crematorium and can't even scream, it's still better than being buried alive... at least it won't hurt as much, right?
I've got one totally original solution: an orgasm followed by a gunshot to the head...🍿
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#106 ·
Donna White50 said:Man, if you're getting roasted alive in a crematorium and can't even scream, it's still better than being buried alive... at least it won't hurt as much, right?
I've got one totally original solution: an orgasm followed by a gunshot to the head...🍿

Those temperatures are incredibly high; I doubt you'd feel anything at all, especially if you were already in a coma, because if you weren't, they wouldn't be crematiing you in the first place. Your idea works in theory, but I imagine coordinating two guns at once would be pretty tough—not to mention the embarrassment if you somehow actually survived that. 😁
Melissa Sanchez8 Melissa Sanchez8 Active Member
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#107 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Those temperatures are incredibly high; I doubt you'd feel anything at all, especially if you were already in a coma, because if you weren't, they wouldn't be crematiing you in the first place. Your idea works in theory, but I imagine coordinating two guns at once would be pretty tough—not to mention the embarrassment if you somehow actually survived that. 😁

Even worse, imagine you survive only to end up disabled... all because you couldn't get your aim straight.

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Morgan Chase5 Morgan Chase5 Active Member
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#108 ·
shadowheron49 said:It's true that my perspective is pretty damn negative...
When I see massive crowds of people on TV, like in China, all I see is a swarm of bacteria and sickness spreading across the planet...
Walking through huge cities, all those buildings just remind me of some kind of fungal infection growing on the Earth's crust...
I know deep down it's not actually like that, but I can't shake the feeling that it's all just kind of pathological.
Even childbirth—having a baby pulled out of your gut with all that blood and horror, nine months of carrying a human inside you... to me, it looks unnatural and terrifying...
I'm attached to the people I love, so I see them differently...
But when I look at the big picture, stepping back to view the Earth from space... everything looks so ridiculous and meaningless...
And every single one of those little bacteria thinks they're so important... when they aren't important to anyone...
They're all rushing around for work... they can't see past their own noses... fighting, warring, killing, stealing, cheating, reproducing, and dying just like nothing...
When I look at the whole picture...

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if I were just a little high so instead of fearing all this meaninglessness, I could just laugh at it all.

I find you quite endearing, in a way.
In your words, I detect a certain dread of life... a fear of living with full lungs...
And perhaps a sense of bewilderment that you, too, possess a right to exist.

Everything in this world...
And everything within every single life...
There are wonderful elderly people out there who aren't frightened by "ugliness" or the passing of time... or the end of their years...
People who serve as immense spiritual pillars for discouraged youth.

The framework you used to describe a life feels more like the "logic" of a robot or a machine.
To me, that scheme looks like a defense mechanism—a way to shield yourself from sinking into your own experiences, which truly hold meaning simply because they belong to you.
Keep your head up, dear girl.
Let our hearts beat, and let that feeling fill us with gratitude.
We are all drifting toward stagnation eventually...
But!
Right now, we are still incredibly supple, and honestly, we shouldn't spend our lives worrying about the end.
Off you go!
wanderinghawk30 wanderinghawk30 Member
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#109 ·
Some wise soul (Epicurus, perhaps) once noted: "Where I am, death is not. Where death is, I am not."

Death. It’s the oldest topic in the book—the obsession of every philosopher and artist throughout history. You can't really contemplate life without staring down the barrel of its end, its fleeting nature, and its ultimate fragility. How do you make peace with the inevitable? Most people fail miserably; only a few manage it. There’s a certain comfort in thinking of it like the time before we were born—I certainly don't remember it.
Jeremy Thomas8 Jeremy Thomas8 Newcomer
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#110 ·
I think

""it’s not dying that scares you, it’s everything you’re leaving in the rearview mirror...""

And honestly, it’s totally normal to feel that way—it’s just baked into being human, you know?

Death doesn't necessarily have to be the finish line; maybe it's just more like turning the page to a whole different chapter...
urbanraven urbanraven Newcomer
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#111 ·
Death is the one absolute certainty we have in this life.

Everyone who ever lived—is gone.

Everyone living right now—will pass away.

And everyone born after us—will follow suit.

It isn't death itself that scares people. It’s the great unknown waiting on the other side.
Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active Member
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#112 ·
urbanraven said:Death is the one absolute certainty we have in this life.

Everyone who ever lived—is gone.

Everyone living right now—will pass away.

And everyone born after us—will follow suit.

It isn't death itself that scares people. It’s the great unknown waiting on the other side.

When things feel heavy, there's a strange sort of comfort in that.
urbanraven urbanraven Newcomer
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#113 ·
This is what keeps me going. 🙂

Hannah Hayes Hannah Hayes Member
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#114 ·
I know exactly how heavy those thoughts about death can feel. I spent my entire teenage years spiraling over stuff like, "What’s even the point of living?"

When things are going great and life feels easy, you don't want to let go. But when you're stuck in a depression, death doesn't seem so scary—which is why those suicidal thoughts creep in. Honestly, I just stopped stressing about it. Life is a one-shot deal and it’s incredibly short, so you really have to be grateful for every single day you get. Once that final curtain calls, there’s no hitting reset and doing it all over again. Just appreciate being alive. Death is just part of the deal; every living thing that's born eventually has to go. It's not that deep to worry about what happens after you're gone, just like you didn't experience anything before you were born. Enjoy the ride while you can.😁
copperhound12 copperhound12 Member
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#115 ·
urbanraven said:Death is the one absolute certainty we have in this life.

Everyone who ever lived—is gone.

Everyone living right now—will pass away.

And everyone born after us—will follow suit.

It isn't death itself that scares people. It’s the great unknown waiting on the other side.

Honestly, I’m not afraid of dying. I made peace with that a long time ago. Now, I just try to actually live my life.

"Neither about me nor about you
will anyone speak or even know.
Other people will go on living here
and we won't be missed by anyone."

(H. Hess)
Jason Kim6 Jason Kim6 Member
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#116 ·
shadowheron49 said:I’m really hoping I can find some solid advice here, maybe some coping strategies or self-help techniques to help me deal with this.

I think we all have that underlying fear of death, right? Or maybe it's just me...
I'm not sure if "phobia" is even the right word, but if it is, then my constant, overwhelming terror definitely qualifies.

Even when I was a little kid, just hearing the word "death" was enough to keep me wide awake all night long; and honestly, even though I’ve never actually witnessed anything traumatic or seen a dead body, this fear is so intense it feels like it could literally consume me.

I actually managed to find some peace for a few years there—I could even sleep in total darkness, which used to be an impossible mission for me.
But... it’s all coming back.

Basically, the other day, I had to witness someone I care about having a stroke right in front of my eyes (usually, nothing shocks me, but this was different), and seeing someone actually dying for the first time in my 25 years... I was covering my eyes, totally spiraling, and when I had to call 911, I was so out of it that I forgot my own name, let alone how to dial emergency services...

And now, it's all starting again...
Now I can't stand being in a dimly lit room, I can't be alone, I can't handle silence, and any sudden noise makes me jump and freeze up; plus, as if to spite me, the power tripped earlier and now I'm just shaking from pure terror—it's like fear is literally running through my veins.
I find myself leaving all the doors open because I can't stand being enclosed, and I'm constantly seeking out crowds, yet I can't bring myself to go near where that accident happened...
I just can't.
If I see even the tiniest shadow move, I bolt like a soldier surviving a grenade blast—it's that visceral.
Right now, I’d honestly rather be standing out in the rain than inside a closed room.
This behavior used to haunt me for a while, and it actually turned my hair gray by the time I hit 25.
Some people think it’s just genetics (though they can't point to anyone specific since I started graying at 18), and others just write off my extreme fear as part of my personality, but for me, this causes real, tangible problems.
Now that I know what's coming, I'm desperate for advice or anything at all, because I can't live like this for another second.
What am I going to do when a family member passes away one day? I know it's inevitable... what will I do? And God forbid I end up being alone with them...
Just thinking about it makes me feel sick.
Do I need to see a psychologist?

Because my brain is always overanalyzing everything, I can't help but dive into the deepest, darkest thoughts about mortality in a way most "normal" people probably wouldn't; I've tried searching for the truth about the soul, trying to prove to myself that death isn't real or scary.
While everyone else around me is grieving at funerals, I'm just paralyzed with fear; I wouldn't even touch a deceased person, nor would I sit in a chair where they once sat—my family actually threw out the couch where a man passed away, and I wouldn't dare touch a glass someone died using... I'd rather just burn everything and toss it out (one day I might have to clear out the whole house if things don't change)...
The thing is... with everything I know about the nature of death, you'd think I'd be the last person to fear it, but despite all my logic, this living phobia is stronger than I am.
I can't even walk past a place where someone died...
It’s just too much... I can't live like this...

What am I actually afraid of?
I don't know.
But it's this feeling that death itself is spreading through the room, like a black shadow hovering nearby...
Like even the objects belonging to a dead person are dying...
That sensation that the deceased are trying to reach out to me, that they're right there...
And the worst part...
Is looking at myself and realizing I'm nothing more than a collection of meat and bones... essentially dead already even though I'm still breathing... it's like I'm carrying death inside me... I feel this urge to run away from my own body, from this physical shell that I see torn apart so often on the news or on a dinner plate...
Even seeing an animal die absolutely terrifies me.

When I hug someone and hear their heartbeat and their breathing...
It feels eerie to me...
And honestly, I’ve never been much of a touchy-feely person
but when it comes to the one I truly love...
The only thing that actually gets to me is knowing that eventually, they won't be here anymore...

How do you even begin to stop being terrified of death and just accept it as part of life?
Because for me, death definitely doesn't feel natural at all....

Just a heap of flesh, bone, nerves, and atoms. There isn't actually anything "alive" there that can die. But the world is a dangerous place—I guess. How we face and overcome that fear of death is what defines our quality of life. If you're living in fear, you aren't really living at all.
Matthew Harris5 Matthew Harris5 Member
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#117 ·
Jason Kim6 said:Just a heap of flesh, bone, nerves, and atoms. There isn't actually anything "alive" there that can die. But the world is a dangerous place—I guess. How we face and overcome that fear of death is what defines our quality of life. If you're living in fear, you aren't really living at all.

If you look at it from a philosophical standpoint, it's all about the continuity of information. We’re all essentially dying on a cellular level every single day as our matter recycles itself; we just try to keep the data stream going for as long as possible. Of course, our psyche doesn't perceive it that way. Our brains are hardwired to fight, driven by these evolutionary mandates like survival, reproduction, and social standing.

Wow, this is a heavy one. It’s a pretty solid topic when you break it down from a few different angles.
Matthew Harris5 Matthew Harris5 Member
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#118 ·
copperhound12 said:Honestly, I’m not afraid of dying. I made peace with that a long time ago. Now, I just try to actually live my life.

"Neither about me nor about you
will anyone speak or even know.
Other people will go on living here
and we won't be missed by anyone."

(H. Hess)

Goddammit... where’s the fight in that, even if it’s a losing one? We’re wired for the struggle, not for just giving up.
Melissa Sanchez8 Melissa Sanchez8 Active Member
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#119 ·
The hardest battle you'll ever fight is just accepting that you're going to die. You don't have to dwell on it most of the time—honestly, you don't even have to think about it—but knowing it's coming and realizing it’s just how things are... that's the toughest part.

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briskeagle3 briskeagle3 Active Member
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#120 ·
You aren't alone—I struggle with necrophobia too... an existential crisis is basically my chronic condition at this point. I deal with OCD, so while my medication helps quiet those thoughts, they never truly disappear entirely... plus, I'm a militant atheist.🙂

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