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What if Donald Trump was President and George Santos was a Cabinet Secretary?

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Participants Bryan BoothSamuel KernMark Lopez8Grace Wood5crimsonwolf20Sophia Moore52Ryan Carter3neonhound18bluerider63Gregory Peterson2rowdytiger13Hannah White57rustywalker1Paul Thomas46Christian Wilson7Timothy Castillo6Keith Miller30Michelle Doyle61Sean Fox60Patrick Thomas29Harold Martin10goldenpuma84goldenstag15Jack Torres2
Sophia Moore52 Sophia Moore52 Active Member
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#81 ·
I live in a tiny coastal town by the Atlantic Ocean, but whenever I post a photo of my place on a US forum, people assume I’m living in Beverly Hills. They can't wrap their heads around the fact that a regular blue-collar worker could own a classic stone house with a beautiful hundred-foot stone wall surrounding it 🙂

Over there, workers usually live in trailers or shipping containers, and even the middle class is mostly stuck in prefab drywall houses
crimsonwolf20 crimsonwolf20 Active Member
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#82 ·
Mark Lopez8 said:It’s more about hunger than being full—just this constant craving for everything. You see people driving around in nice cars they’re drowning in debt for, working all year just to afford a single month of vacation here in the States. I don't know what kind of Western luxury everyone keeps dreaming about; most people are just barely scraping by.

Look, I’ve actually lived in Canada, the USA, and Australia. I can tell you firsthand that none of this is true—where on earth are you getting this misinformation from?

Sure, making money isn't easy, but saying most people are just struggling to make ends meet? That’s total nonsense.
Sophia Moore52 Sophia Moore52 Active Member
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#83 ·
crimsonwolf20 said:Look, I’ve actually lived in Canada, the USA, and Australia. I can tell you firsthand that none of this is true—where on earth are you getting this misinformation from?

Sure, making money isn't easy, but saying most people are just struggling to make ends meet? That’s total nonsense.

Western societies seem pretty divided and class-segregated to me. It really depends on which neighborhood you're in, so you both might just be seeing a skewed version of reality...
Michelle Doyle61 Michelle Doyle61 Member
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#84 ·
Sophia Moore52 said:none

It’s simple: the petrodollar, global banking, and occupying half the planet. It comes down to constant warfare and exploiting the poor all over the globe...
Fortunately, as Marx proved, capitalism is fundamentally flawed and destined to collapse under its own weight. Let's just hope it doesn't take the rest of us down with it...

Grace Wood5 said:🙏🙏🙏🤣🤣🤣🤣🙏🙏🙏

That’s the best joke I’ve read in a long time.

crimsonwolf20 said:🤣 🤣 🤣

neonhound18 said:To me, he comes across as someone who simply hasn't found anything more productive to do with his time than to scribble out nonsense that borders on the delusional, because I truly cannot fathom how a person with even a grain of reason could write posts claiming that Karl Marx proved everything ages ago. 🤣

Dismissing Marx so easily is a massive mistake. He was a profound thinker whose ideas remain incredibly relevant today, especially his critique of capitalism and the systemic flaws we still haven't managed to fix even a century later.
Sophia Moore52 Sophia Moore52 Active Member
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#85 ·
Michelle Doyle61 said:Dismissing Marx so easily is a massive mistake. He was a profound thinker whose ideas remain incredibly relevant today, especially his critique of capitalism and the systemic flaws we still haven't managed to fix even a century later.

But what can you do? It seems the brainwashing of the 90s really worked...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...urn-of-marxism

"Today, 164 years after Marx and Engels wrote about grave-diggers, the truth is almost the exact opposite. The proletariat, far from burying capitalism, are keeping it on life support. Overworked, underpaid workers ostensibly liberated by the largest socialist revolution in history (the Chinese Communist Party's) are driven to the brink of suicide to keep those in the west playing with their iPads. Chinese money bankrolls an otherwise bankrupt America.

The irony is scarcely wasted on leading Marxist thinkers. "The domination of capitalism globally depends today on the existence of a Chinese Communist Party that gives de-localised capitalist enterprises cheap labour to lower prices and deprive workers of the rights of self-organisation," says Jacques Rancière, the French marxist thinker and Professor of Philosophy at the University of Paris VIII. "Happily, it is possible to hope for a world less absurd and more just than today's.""

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...py-for-bankers

"Since the beginning of the global recession everyone from the literary critic Terry Eagleton
to former IMF economist Nouriel Roubini has been declaring "Karl Marx was right"."
Mark Lopez8 Mark Lopez8 Member
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#86 ·
crimsonwolf20 said:Look, I’ve actually lived in Canada, the USA, and Australia. I can tell you firsthand that none of this is true—where on earth are you getting this misinformation from?

Sure, making money isn't easy, but saying most people are just struggling to make ends meet? That’s total nonsense.

Lived there?😁 Then why on earth did you come back if life is so great over there?🙏 Look, I haven't personally spent time in Canada or Australia—and sure, things might be better there—but all of Western Europe is basically rigged against the working class, and even America has its share of issues. You've got those flashy billionaire neighborhoods right next to slums where you wouldn't dare set foot. Even in New York City, you see thousands of homeless people sleeping in sewers just to survive the winter.👎
Sophia Moore52 Sophia Moore52 Active Member
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#87 ·
Mark Lopez8 said:Lived there?😁 Then why on earth did you come back if life is so great over there?🙏 Look, I haven't personally spent time in Canada or Australia—and sure, things might be better there—but all of Western Europe is basically rigged against the working class, and even America has its share of issues. You've got those flashy billionaire neighborhoods right next to slums where you wouldn't dare set foot. Even in New York City, you see thousands of homeless people sleeping in sewers just to survive the winter.👎

Supposedly he became a patriot once the gunfire died down...
crimsonwolf20 crimsonwolf20 Active Member
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#88 ·
Sophia Moore52 said:Western societies seem pretty divided and class-segregated to me. It really depends on which neighborhood you're in, so you both might just be seeing a skewed version of reality...

Back in the day, my family of five used to sleep all in one room with just a tiny little kitchenette and a potty—literally just mattresses on the floor, no dining table or anything. We had to use the communal laundry machines, we had a TV, and we walked everywhere to school. That was our life for almost two years.

But then, as a family, we managed to scrape some money together, saved up a down payment, and built a house. Then we sold that one, bought something smaller and cheaper, and eventually moved to the States where we picked up another property. Once my older brother landed a job, he and my oldest brother teamed up to snag an apartment building with four units at a killer price—we invested everything into it, renovated it, and rented it out. I actually spent my teenage years over there mowing lawns, fixing leaky pipes, and painting walls! Basically, economic mobility and the freedom of the market gave us this massive chance to work hard, sacrifice, save, invest, and level up our lifestyle exactly how we wanted. In less than ten years, we went from being in that bottom 5% of the poorest folks to probably being in the top 5% most well-off.

And honestly, that’s how most Americans living abroad made it happen too—through pure grit, hard work, smart investing, and seizing their own opportunities. Hardly anyone ever bothered to move back.
I got a very real impression of how things work—whereas you guys, who haven't moved an inch from your grandma's house and haven't worked a single honest day in your lives, let alone actually seen the West you're constantly whining about, you've got the totally wrong idea, if you ask me. 👍
crimsonwolf20 crimsonwolf20 Active Member
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#89 ·
Mark Lopez8 said:Lived there?😁 Then why on earth did you come back if life is so great over there?🙏 Look, I haven't personally spent time in Canada or Australia—and sure, things might be better there—but all of Western Europe is basically rigged against the working class, and even America has its share of issues. You've got those flashy billionaire neighborhoods right next to slums where you wouldn't dare set foot. Even in New York City, you see thousands of homeless people sleeping in sewers just to survive the winter.👎

The best part about what I do is that I can pull it off from pretty much anywhere with an internet connection. Seriously, thank God for the free market, private enterprise, and all these insane modern tech miracles and inventions! 👍
crimsonwolf20 crimsonwolf20 Active Member
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#90 ·
Michelle Doyle61 said:Dismissing Marx so easily is a massive mistake. He was a profound thinker whose ideas remain incredibly relevant today, especially his critique of capitalism and the systemic flaws we still haven't managed to fix even a century later.

Give me a break! Marx and those ridiculous theories of his—built on nothing but faulty assumptions and straight-up manipulation—were already being laughed out of serious economic circles long before the next edition of Capital was even printed.
Sean Fox60 Sean Fox60 Member
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#91 ·
Bryan Booth said:Just try to wrap your head around this scenario for a second: what if, after the next election, we end up with Donald Trump as Prime Minister and George Santos running the Treasury? Imagine the absolute chaos that would look like.

This whole thing is going nowhere!

As of right now, we don't even know how many representatives the next US Congress will actually have.

Right now, all we see is;

1. a coalition led by the Republican Party,
2. a coalition led by the Democratic Party.

There isn't a third serious coalition in sight, and honestly, that’s just more tragedy for America!

- Whoever holds the majority in the US Congress gets to form the Government!
- If the Republican Party fails to grab a majority through their own coalition, they could;

1. try to build a majority using parties that made it into Congress via the Democratic Party,
2. or lean on some or all of the minority representatives—they currently have a right to 8 seats.

- At this point, it would be in the best interest of America if a third coalition formed that could pull in as many votes as possible compared to those two existing groups!
Sophia Moore52 Sophia Moore52 Active Member
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#92 ·
crimsonwolf20 said:Give me a break! Marx and those ridiculous theories of his—built on nothing but faulty assumptions and straight-up manipulation—were already being laughed out of serious economic circles long before the next edition of Capital was even printed.

🤦
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
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#93 ·
crimsonwolf20 said:Give me a break! Marx and those ridiculous theories of his—built on nothing but faulty assumptions and straight-up manipulation—were already being laughed out of serious economic circles long before the next edition of Capital was even printed.

It really isn't all that surprising that America is heading toward a total meltdown when you consider how many people here insist on babbling about things that Marx supposedly "proved" ages ago.🙄 😵
Michelle Doyle61 Michelle Doyle61 Member
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#94 ·
I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately. It's one of those things that seems simple on the surface, but once you start peeling back the layers, it gets complicated fast. I remember sitting in a small coffee shop in Seattle a few years back, just watching people pass by, wondering how much of our daily decisions are actually ours. It’s easy to feel like we’re in control, but there are so many outside forces at play. It’s a heavy thought, honestly. But I suppose that's just life.
Sophia Moore52 said:But what can you do? It seems the brainwashing of the 90s really worked...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...urn-of-marxism

"Today, 164 years after Marx and Engels wrote about grave-diggers, the truth is almost the exact opposite. The proletariat, far from burying capitalism, are keeping it on life support. Overworked, underpaid workers ostensibly liberated by the largest socialist revolution in history (the Chinese Communist Party's) are driven to the brink of suicide to keep those in the west playing with their iPads. Chinese money bankrolls an otherwise bankrupt America.

The irony is scarcely wasted on leading Marxist thinkers. "The domination of capitalism globally depends today on the existence of a Chinese Communist Party that gives de-localised capitalist enterprises cheap labour to lower prices and deprive workers of the rights of self-organisation," says Jacques Rancière, the French marxist thinker and Professor of Philosophy at the University of Paris VIII. "Happily, it is possible to hope for a world less absurd and more just than today's.""

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...py-for-bankers

"Since the beginning of the global recession everyone from the literary critic Terry Eagleton
to former IMF economist Nouriel Roubini has been declaring "Karl Marx was right"."

Or maybe it was just brainwashing—that people from the nineties were being systematically brainwashed. 😉

crimsonwolf20 said:Give me a break! Marx and those ridiculous theories of his—built on nothing but faulty assumptions and straight-up manipulation—were already being laughed out of serious economic circles long before the next edition of Capital was even printed.

It’s easy to just toss an idea aside. It's much harder to actually sit down and try to wrap your head around it. Capitalism—as much as it beats out communism (though that’s a pretty broad brush to paint with since both systems have so many different flavors)—definitely has its flaws. And we aren't talking about minor hiccups; we're talking about massive, systemic failures that we've been trying to fix for over a century. We still haven't cracked the code. Part of the reason, I think, is that we tend to dismiss the deep thinking and the heavy analysis done by those who came before us.

You really have to read Karl Marx. It’s worth sitting down with his work and actually debating it, precisely because he had such a sharp eye for the flaws in our current system. He pointed out specific cracks in the foundation of capitalism that we're still tripping over today. I remember reading some of his theories back in college while sitting in a quiet corner of a library in Chicago, and even then, it felt like he was describing the exact struggles people face in modern America. His warnings about systemic instability aren't just history lessons; they are incredibly relevant right now.

Even the biggest champions of free markets, like Adam Smith, openly admitted that the system comes with its own set of deep-seated flaws. To me, the real divide isn't about whether the problems exist, but rather how you fix them. That’s where the fundamental split between Smith and Karl Marx happens—they saw the same cracks in the foundation, they just had completely different blueprints for the repair work.

I don't have much to add there. Just some food for thought.
neonhound18 said:It really isn't all that surprising that America is heading toward a total meltdown when you consider how many people here insist on babbling about things that Marx supposedly "proved" ages ago.🙄 😵

Maybe we should just toss every philosophy book ever written into a bonfire. Honestly, I think we're far beyond those old-school fools.
Ryan Carter3 Ryan Carter3 Member
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#95 ·
Another eviction attempt successfully thwarted today!

Rot in hell, you haters!

Honestly, we should just build a dedicated asylum for people like you, so you can sit around endlessly debating Karl Marx, capitalism, and the endless spectrum of left versus right; we could just hang a sign over the door that says "Mental Institution" and call it a day.
Sophia Moore52 Sophia Moore52 Active Member
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#96 ·
Ryan Carter3 said:Another eviction attempt successfully thwarted today!

Rot in hell, you haters!

Honestly, we should just build a dedicated asylum for people like you, so you can sit around endlessly debating Karl Marx, capitalism, and the endless spectrum of left versus right; we could just hang a sign over the door that says "Mental Institution" and call it a day.

Way to go, that’s certainly one way to pick up more enemies...
(And maybe work on your grammar; being articulate is pretty important for success in life)
Grace Wood5 Grace Wood5 Active Member
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#97 ·
Ryan Carter3 said:Another eviction attempt successfully thwarted today!

Rot in hell, you haters!

Honestly, we should just build a dedicated asylum for people like you, so you can sit around endlessly debating Karl Marx, capitalism, and the endless spectrum of left versus right; we could just hang a sign over the door that says "Mental Institution" and call it a day.

So you're saying an eviction was "successfully blocked"?
How much is that "saved" family actually going to cost us?
If you're going to act like you're providing info, at least try to be thorough.
Ryan Carter3 Ryan Carter3 Member
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#98 ·
Grace Wood5 said:So you're saying an eviction was "successfully blocked"?
How much is that "saved" family actually going to cost us?
If you're going to act like you're providing info, at least try to be thorough.

The family reached out for help themselves because they have absolutely no other options—they have nowhere else to go with their children.
crimsonwolf20 crimsonwolf20 Active Member
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#99 ·
Michelle Doyle61 said:I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately. It's one of those things that seems simple on the surface, but once you start peeling back the layers, it gets complicated fast. I remember sitting in a small coffee shop in Seattle a few years back, just watching people pass by, wondering how much of our daily decisions are actually ours. It’s easy to feel like we’re in control, but there are so many outside forces at play. It’s a heavy thought, honestly. But I suppose that's just life.

Or maybe it was just brainwashing—that people from the nineties were being systematically brainwashed. 😉

It’s easy to just toss an idea aside. It's much harder to actually sit down and try to wrap your head around it. Capitalism—as much as it beats out communism (though that’s a pretty broad brush to paint with since both systems have so many different flavors)—definitely has its flaws. And we aren't talking about minor hiccups; we're talking about massive, systemic failures that we've been trying to fix for over a century. We still haven't cracked the code. Part of the reason, I think, is that we tend to dismiss the deep thinking and the heavy analysis done by those who came before us.

You really have to read Karl Marx. It’s worth sitting down with his work and actually debating it, precisely because he had such a sharp eye for the flaws in our current system. He pointed out specific cracks in the foundation of capitalism that we're still tripping over today. I remember reading some of his theories back in college while sitting in a quiet corner of a library in Chicago, and even then, it felt like he was describing the exact struggles people face in modern America. His warnings about systemic instability aren't just history lessons; they are incredibly relevant right now.

Even the biggest champions of free markets, like Adam Smith, openly admitted that the system comes with its own set of deep-seated flaws. To me, the real divide isn't about whether the problems exist, but rather how you fix them. That’s where the fundamental split between Smith and Karl Marx happens—they saw the same cracks in the foundation, they just had completely different blueprints for the repair work.

I don't have much to add there. Just some food for thought.

Maybe we should just toss every philosophy book ever written into a bonfire. Honestly, I think we're far beyond those old-school fools.

Oh, totally! I mean, look at how many ridiculous theories are floating around—stuff like aliens building the pyramids, or the conspiracy that George W. Bush orchestrated 9/11, or people actually believing homeopathy is legit. Then you've got the moon landing deniers or those folks who think John Edwards can actually chat with the dead.

All that nonsense? It's incredibly easy to debunk.

But then... then you run into those "ideas" that try to hide behind a lab coat, like Deepak Chopra and his whole "scientific" shtick regarding health and quantum physics.

Even Karl Marx's theories get laughed off the stage alongside all that junk because they just don't hold water—they fail logic, they fail rational reasoning, they fail empirical evidence, and honestly, they fail basic human experience. His labor theory of value is a complete wash; even self-proclaimed Marxists don't bring it up anymore because it's just straight-up absurd.

And man, let's talk about his social engineering projects aimed at creating this "new human" who is supposedly free from human nature—that ideology drove over 120,000,000 people to their doom in the 20th century. Those kinds of ideas are dangerous, period. His brand of pseudoscience is arguably the most perilous idea in human history—this notion that an individual doesn't matter, that your life is just a number being moved around on a chessboard by some central planner. It claims your property belongs to everyone, that your life is worthless if a bureaucrat decides it is, and that you have zero right to create or control your own destiny. You're supposed to be subservient to "the collective" and whatever interests a central planner deems necessary for that collective.

The bottom line is, we reject these ideas primarily because they are built on fabrications, manipulations, and flawed assumptions that completely ignore fundamental economic laws and actual human nature.

When you actually put these things into practice, we've all seen the devastation they leave behind—so I categorically and absolutely reject Mark and his followers (Benito Mussolini, Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, etc.) in every sense of the word. I do, and every single freedom-loving person with half a brain in their head, too! 👍
crimsonwolf20 crimsonwolf20 Active Member
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#100 ·
neonhound18 said:It really isn't all that surprising that America is heading toward a total meltdown when you consider how many people here insist on babbling about things that Marx supposedly "proved" ages ago.🙄 😵

What I find absolutely wild is how the entire American mainstream media is basically built on trash logic from the ground up.

But hey, it’s not exactly a shocker once you realize all those news outlets and big media conglomerates are either tightly knit with the political elite or are straight-up sucking at the government teat—living off taxpayer money, obviously. Throw in the state monopoly on education, and you've got the perfect storm. Of course they aren't going to push for smaller government or stop the massive waste of money being snatched from current and future generations—they're profiting from the status quo, so why change? They want this system to drag on forever. But mark my words, it won't last.

It still blows my mind every single time how this whole Marxist-leaning mainstream machine manages to turn supposedly rational people into total zombies who don't have even a shred of basic economic knowledge, historical context, or common sense.

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