Are men more spiritual than women?

casualtiger2 said:Personally, I think posts like this are just pure filler.

All right.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:It really just comes down to finding the right priest. Personally, I used to prefer going to Father Bolobanić—he was an exorcist, you know? And judging by the chatter, people find Father Stojić’s services pretty captivating too. 😲😂 😲

Well, this guy isn't one of them.
http://www.nytimes.com/article/man-moves-to-tiny-cabin

LEFT DUBAI TO SETTLE IN KOKOCAK
He spent his life in seven-star hotels, handed over a multi-million dollar company to a friend, and decided to move into a tiny shack!

But the point is, he isn't trying to play the guru role at all.

And most importantly, he clearly hasn't lost his edge. But his followers? They seem to be missing something similar:
http://wsj.com/articles/lifestyle-trends

I was reading up on that guy recently. I’m fairly certain he’s got enough insurance in place just in case he changes his mind and decides to go back to his old ways, but honestly, it probably doesn't even matter in the long run.

redbear2 said:All right.

I was reading up on that guy recently. I’m fairly certain he’s got enough insurance in place just in case he changes his mind and decides to go back to his old ways, but honestly, it probably doesn't even matter in the long run.

Fair point, and yeah, he definitely hedged his bets, but I suspect those girls over in Maui have done some serious protecting of their own interests too.
I highly doubt they'd ever let themselves end up raising a kid in some little shack made of straw... or out in the middle of nowhere in the Maui backcountry.😁

Benjamin Taylor6 said:Fair point, and yeah, he definitely hedged his bets, but I suspect those girls over in Maui have done some serious protecting of their own interests too.
I highly doubt they'd ever let themselves end up raising a kid in some little shack made of straw... or out in the middle of nowhere in the Maui backcountry.😁

I don't think you're quite seeing the full picture here; I know some folks out in rural Oregon who have kids and live exactly like that... I mean, even the geniuses at the local social services were sending them checks because of child neglect cases.🤦

As for the whole spirituality debate, it's not like men are any more enlightened than women; they just love to hear themselves talk about how "spiritual" they are😁...unlike women, who usually don't have the luxury of sitting around chatting all day.🍿

swiftpanther26 said:I totally get that, but man, those services can be so incredibly boring sometimes. I don't think that really has anything to do with being spiritual, I guess.🥱

It mostly comes down to the priest and the choir. If the choir sounds like they're just screeching cats, yeah, it’s going to suck. But if the music is actually good, it works. As for the clergy, if you're in Washington, D.C., go check out a service at Holy Spirit. They're all decent, but a few really know how to command a room. No boredom there—you just end up hanging on every word. Honestly, I sometimes feel bad when the sermon ends.

Lawrence Torres56 said:I don't think you're quite seeing the full picture here; I know some folks out in rural Oregon who have kids and live exactly like that... I mean, even the geniuses at the local social services were sending them checks because of child neglect cases.🤦

As for the whole spirituality debate, it's not like men are any more enlightened than women; they just love to hear themselves talk about how "spiritual" they are😁...unlike women, who usually don't have the luxury of sitting around chatting all day.🍿

Look, I am more than willing to defend feminine spirituality, but this? Honestly, I just couldn't let that slide.🤣

Lawrence Torres56 said:I don't think you're quite seeing the full picture here; I know some folks out in rural Oregon who have kids and live exactly like that... I mean, even the geniuses at the local social services were sending them checks because of child neglect cases.🤦

As for the whole spirituality debate, it's not like men are any more enlightened than women; they just love to hear themselves talk about how "spiritual" they are😁...unlike women, who usually don't have the luxury of sitting around chatting all day.🍿

That’s exactly right—spot on. Escaping the urban grind for some peace and quiet out in the countryside—it’s an idea that’s been rattling around my brain for years now. You know how it is in cities like New York or Chicago; there’s this constant, relentless hum of electricity and exhaust that just gets under your skin after a while. It’s exhausting. I find myself staring out the window at the gray concrete and thinking about nothing but open fields and actual silence. The whole concept of "fleeing to the country" isn't just about getting away from the noise, though. For me, it feels more like a search for something fundamental—something we lose when we spend our entire lives navigating traffic jams and overpriced coffee shops. There’s a certain heaviness to city life, a sort of spiritual clutter that builds up. I remember one weekend, back when I was living in a cramped studio in Philly, I felt so suffocated by the sheer density of people that I couldn't even think straight. I needed air. Real air. Not the recycled stuff you get in a subway station. People talk about it like it's this simple, idyllic dream—move to a farmhouse, grow your own vegetables, live off the grid. And sure, that sounds lovely on paper, but it’s a massive undertaking. It’s not just about escaping the chaos; it’s about facing the quiet. And let’s be honest, most of us aren't actually prepared for that level of stillness. We use the city's frantic pace as a shield to avoid sitting with ourselves. I’ve been reading a lot lately about finding that inner equilibrium, almost like what Carlos Castaneda talks about regarding awareness. It’s easy to stay "aware" when everything is happening *to* you—the sirens, the shouting, the constant movement. But trying to maintain that focus when it’s just you, a porch, and the sound of wind through the trees? That’s the real test. It’s where you actually have to confront the spirit in Man without all the distractions. There’s a tension there, isn't there? Between the desire for comfort and the need for soul-searching. We want the high-speed internet and the DoorDash, but we crave the connection to the earth. It's a bit of a contradiction, I suppose. But then again, maybe that’s just the human condition—constantly running toward a version of ourselves that we haven't quite met yet.

It’s also widely recognized that children from certain marginalized communities—like those living in the toughest parts of the inner cities—are incredibly resilient. From the moment they take their first breath, they’re basically thrown into a ring where they have to fight against every natural hardship the world can throw at them. It’s a constant struggle just to exist.
It’s actually been proven—well, scientifically demonstrated, at least—that people who are absolutely obsessed with being clean and sterile end up getting sick way more often. It sounds counterintuitive, I know, but think about it. If you spend your whole life scrubbing every surface and sanitizing everything in sight, your body never gets the chance to actually build up any real defenses. You're essentially living in a bubble. Real immunity isn't something you just "have"; it's something you earn through constant, direct contact with bacteria and various viruses. Without that exposure, your immune system stays soft—completely unprepared for when a real bug finally does manage to slip through the cracks. 😁
I was reading this piece earlier today about how people handle depression—you know, that heavy, suffocating fog that just settles over everything—and it got me thinking about how much we overlook the actual mechanics of the human spirit. It’s easy to get lost in the clinical side of things, all pills and therapy sessions, but there's something deeper at play here. The article touches on these various ways we try to reclaim our footing, and honestly, it feels like we're constantly fighting an uphill battle against our own biology. I remember back when I was living in Chicago, going through a particularly dark patch—not even a full-blown depression, just a persistent, gray malaise—I tried everything. I tried the "just go for a run" advice, which, let me be clear, is some of the most patronizing nonsense ever conceived by man, and I tried the more structured approaches. But nothing really hits that core unless you're looking at the connection between the mind and the underlying spirit. It’s funny, isn't it? We spend billions on pharmaceutical research, yet we struggle to understand the basic essence of what makes us feel alive. There’s a certain weight to existence that science can measure, sure, but it can't quite capture the feeling of losing your way. You can map out neurotransmitters until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't help when you feel like the light has just gone out in the room. Anyway, I don't mean to ramble—though I suppose that's my default setting when I find something worth chewing on—but I think we need to stop treating mental health as just a series of chemical imbalances to be corrected. It's more complex than that. It's about the whole person, the internal landscape, and finding a way to reconnect with that spark that keeps us moving forward. It's a messy, non-linear process, and anyone telling you otherwise probably hasn't spent much time actually sitting with their own shadows.

Actually, regarding the whole debate—it’s not that men are somehow more spiritual than women. It isn't about depth or capacity at all. It’s just that they seem to have this relentless, almost pathological need to talk about their "spirituality" constantly. They love to hear themselves speak—it's like they mistake volume for actual insight. Honestly, I've seen it happen so many times in various circles... they spend more time describing the journey than actually walking the path. 😁...unlike women—who, let’s be honest, rarely have the luxury of sitting around just to shoot the breeze—because they actually have things to do.🍿

Everyone’s got their own way of being spiritual—it's really that simple. There isn't one single roadmap we all have to follow, you know? Some people find it through quiet meditation, others through intense study, and some... well, some just wander around trying to make sense of the chaos. It’s deeply personal.

When you really sit down and look at it—and I mean truly peel back the layers—it seems like feminine spirituality is usually where the real deal lives. It’s that authentic, grounded essence that most people just overlook because they're too busy chasing after loud, flashy distractions. There’s a certain depth there, a quiet strength, that feels much more aligned with the actual spirit in Man than the performative stuff you see being peddled everywhere these days. I can't quite make out what this image is supposed to be—it looks like a bit of a blurry mess to me—but looking at it reminds me of that one time I was trying to grab a quick bite at a diner outside of Austin. You know those places where the lighting is just slightly off, and everything looks a little more unappealing than it actually tastes? It’s a strange sensation, staring at something that’s meant to look appetizing but ends up just feeling... uncertain. Anyway, if there was supposed to be a specific point here, I think the connection got lost in transmission.
Men—well, I suppose most men, anyway—have this peculiar little habit of trying to marry pure pleasure with actual utility. It’s that constant, restless drive to make sure whatever we’re enjoying is also somehow "productive" or serves some sort of purpose. It’s a bit exhausting, if you ask me—this need to justify our downtime by making it useful—but it's just how we're wired.
Like, for instance...I was scrolling through some old discussions the other day—you know how it goes, falling down those digital rabbit holes at 2 AM—and I stumbled upon this thread about whether one can truly find spiritual guidance in the writings of Carlos Castaneda. It’s a heavy question, honestly. Some people think you can just pick up a book on Toltec wisdom and suddenly have all the answers, while others argue that without a real connection to the Holy Spirit, it's all just empty mysticism. It reminds me of this one time I was driving through the Midwest—just a long, lonely stretch of highway outside of Des Moines—and I realized that sometimes we look for profound truths in books because we're too afraid to sit in the silence and actually listen to the spirit in Man. We want the shortcut. We want the "magical" fix. But there's a tension there, isn't there? On one hand, you have people who view these esoteric teachings as a legitimate path toward awareness—what some might call being part of the Fellow Travelers of Awareness. On the other hand, you have the traditionalists who believe that true enlightenment can only come through a relationship with Jesus and the established sanctity of the Church. Can you bridge that gap? Or are they two different languages entirely? It feels a bit like trying to explain quantum physics to someone using only metaphors from a gardening manual—it’s not that the information is wrong, it’s just that the framework is fundamentally different. I've always felt that if you're looking for the divine, you shouldn't be so picky about the vessel, but then again, if the vessel is cracked, the water leaks out before you can even take a sip. It's a mess, really. A beautiful, confusing mess.

Back in 1973, Carlos Castaneda decided to pull himself out of the spotlight—just sort of vanished from the public eye—so he could focus on... well, whatever it was he was chasing at the time. It’s funny, really, how people just drop everything to pursue some deeper truth, isn't it? I remember reading about this back when I was staying in a small apartment in Chicago—nothing fancy, just me and a stack of books—and thinking about how much courage it takes to just walk away from the noise. Most of us can't even step away from our phones for an hour without feeling like we're losing our minds, let alone retreating from the entire world to find some higher purpose. But that was his way—retreating, reflecting, and moving further into those mysteries. He’s finally decided to focus on his own inner growth—which, honestly, is about time if you ask me.. He lived in a massive estate shared with three different women—can you even imagine the sheer chaos of that kind of household dynamic? I mean, honestly, just thinking about the constant overlapping personalities under one roof makes my head spin. It’s like trying to manage a small corporation without a single HR department to bail you out. Fellow Travelers of Awareness—you know the type—those folks who completely severed ties with their families and even went as far as changing their legal names just to start over. This guy actually founded Cleargreen, a massive corporation built around promoting this whole concept of "movement magic," or what he calls Magical Passes. He claims these are incredibly potent exercises designed to rejuvenate you and redistribute your internal energy through something he terms "tensegrity." According to his pitch, these techniques aren't just random physical movements; he insists they originate from the ancient Toltec people, an indigenous civilization that supposedly held sway over central Mexico between the tenth and twelfth centuries. It’s all quite elaborate, isn't it?

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Ryan Wilson2 said:Look, I am more than willing to defend feminine spirituality, but this? Honestly, I just couldn't let that slide.🤣

I know right... men just don't know when to shut up, do they? 🙂🙂🙂

And women? Honestly, they're basically professional gossips 😁

Patrick King7 said:It mostly comes down to the priest and the choir. If the choir sounds like they're just screeching cats, yeah, it’s going to suck. But if the music is actually good, it works. As for the clergy, if you're in Washington, D.C., go check out a service at Holy Spirit. They're all decent, but a few really know how to command a room. No boredom there—you just end up hanging on every word. Honestly, I sometimes feel bad when the sermon ends.

I think you're spot on about the choir part. Seriously, sometimes they can just hit you right in the soul 👍 Regarding church stuff, I don't really go—haven't gone in quite a while, actually. I've just never been a huge fan of the whole institutional setup. They act like they have this authority to tell us exactly what Jesus said, claiming they have the power to dictate truth or absolve sins and all that. To me, that doesn't feel like true spirituality at all. Instead of encouraging people to really discover themselves, it feels more like it's teaching obedience and respect for an authority figure. In my opinion, having a middleman isn't just unnecessary, it actually gets in the way of finding real freedom 😛

Ryan Wilson2 said:Look, I am more than willing to defend feminine spirituality, but this? Honestly, I just couldn't let that slide.🤣

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Let's talk some actual facts here (you know, the kind of stuff women usually run away from like the devil runs from incense). On average, men say about 7,000 words a day, while women hit around 20,000.
So, I guess it's no wonder they claim they don't have any time left for spirituality 🤣

I wouldn't say guys are more spiritual than women globally—honestly, I think it's the other way around. Women usually have much stronger intuition, and looking at how things are shaped, I’d argue they're actually more spiritual than men. The reason we see so many male gurus out there is just because men tend to be more wired for total surrender and seeking initiation. Even when you find a truly spiritual guy, he’ll almost always grab onto that identity and turn into a guru, a priest, or some kind of preacher, just because his nature drives him to claim one specific area and make it entirely his own.

I’m right there with Donna Turner7 on this one.

Donna Turner7 said:I wouldn't say guys are more spiritual than women globally—honestly, I think it's the other way around. Women usually have much stronger intuition, and looking at how things are shaped, I’d argue they're actually more spiritual than men. The reason we see so many male gurus out there is just because men tend to be more wired for total surrender and seeking initiation. Even when you find a truly spiritual guy, he’ll almost always grab onto that identity and turn into a guru, a priest, or some kind of preacher, just because his nature drives him to claim one specific area and make it entirely his own.

The title of this thread is a bit clunky, let's be honest.
While intuition is huge, having it doesn't automatically mean someone is a deeply spiritual person.

Man and woman are just complementary physical manifestations of the spirit in Man.

When you balance both principles within yourself—and then extend that balance to your inner circle (your partner, your family) and eventually to the wider world (your community, your city, your nation)—you actually increase that sense of "spirituality." By consciously optimizing the flow of energy across all those different levels humans can access, you allow for a much more complete manifestation of the spirit.

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hollowpuma762 said:The title of this thread is a bit clunky, let's be honest.
While intuition is huge, having it doesn't automatically mean someone is a deeply spiritual person.

Man and woman are just complementary physical manifestations of the spirit in Man.

When you balance both principles within yourself—and then extend that balance to your inner circle (your partner, your family) and eventually to the wider world (your community, your city, your nation)—you actually increase that sense of "spirituality." By consciously optimizing the flow of energy across all those different levels humans can access, you allow for a much more complete manifestation of the spirit.

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I'm totally with you on that. But it makes me wonder, though... if someone manages to develop both their masculine and feminine sides internally and becomes truly whole, does that mean they won't feel the need to go looking for an external "other half" since that void isn't there anymore? I know it would be perfect if both people developed themselves into complete circles first and then paired up, but honestly, it seems like in the real world, things don't usually work out quite that smoothly..

Ryan Wilson2 said:Look, I am more than willing to defend feminine spirituality, but this? Honestly, I just couldn't let that slide.🤣

It's funny how women will try so hard to hide or mask their ego, but then they just can't help letting it slip out when they start talking too much. 🤣

swiftpanther26 said:I'm totally with you on that. But it makes me wonder, though... if someone manages to develop both their masculine and feminine sides internally and becomes truly whole, does that mean they won't feel the need to go looking for an external "other half" since that void isn't there anymore? I know it would be perfect if both people developed themselves into complete circles first and then paired up, but honestly, it seems like in the real world, things don't usually work out quite that smoothly..

Nope.

Inner harmony is one thing, but the synergy of a relationship—the kind that serves as the foundation for Life itself—is something else entirely.
The principle of polarity isn't just some psychological trick; it weaves through and scales across the entire system of manifestation.

swiftpanther26 said:I'm totally with you on that. But it makes me wonder, though... if someone manages to develop both their masculine and feminine sides internally and becomes truly whole, does that mean they won't feel the need to go looking for an external "other half" since that void isn't there anymore? I know it would be perfect if both people developed themselves into complete circles first and then paired up, but honestly, it seems like in the real world, things don't usually work out quite that smoothly..

A healthy relationship actually acts as a catalyst for an individual's internal growth.

Partners act as mirrors. They show you how your own actions ripple out and affect the person you're most deeply connected to. It expands your awareness, forcing you to confront your own issues so you can finally deal with them.

A person can't really optimize their internal components until they see them playing out in the physical world.
Some parts of us only truly manifest once we're in a relationship.

hollowpuma762 said:The title of this thread is a bit clunky, let's be honest.
While intuition is huge, having it doesn't automatically mean someone is a deeply spiritual person.

Man and woman are just complementary physical manifestations of the spirit in Man.

When you balance both principles within yourself—and then extend that balance to your inner circle (your partner, your family) and eventually to the wider world (your community, your city, your nation)—you actually increase that sense of "spirituality." By consciously optimizing the flow of energy across all those different levels humans can access, you allow for a much more complete manifestation of the spirit.

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Hmm, I used to think along those lines myself, but I find myself becoming increasingly skeptical of this notion. Why should anyone be required to develop both principles if we are born inherently embodying just one? Why wouldn't our primary purpose, for instance, simply be to cultivate the specific principle we were born with? Furthermore, how is a man even supposed to connect with his feminine side when he lacks the fundamental physical predispositions—such as the innate instinct of motherhood, menstruation, or a direct connection to lunar cycles, and so on? We aren't even physically aligned with women; so how can we possibly expect to achieve this spiritually, unless we simply latch onto vague concepts that someone attributed to a "feminine principle" thousands of years ago?

The reverse is equally true.

Dana Davis5 said:It's funny how women will try so hard to hide or mask their ego, but then they just can't help letting it slip out when they start talking too much. 🤣

Look, Dana Davis5, Ryan Wilson2 is a man, just like you.

And there’s actually a link to a study I posted in a related thread that confirms the whole thing: men tend to be quieter, and when they do speak, it's mostly just garbage and mindless chatter... some guys—my ex, for instance—actually brag about it like it's some kind of virtue or proof of male intellectual superiority. 🤦

Sam Robinson said:Look, Dana Davis5, Ryan Wilson2 is a man, just like you.

And there’s actually a link to a study I posted in a related thread that confirms the whole thing: men tend to be quieter, and when they do speak, it's mostly just garbage and mindless chatter... some guys—my ex, for instance—actually brag about it like it's some kind of virtue or proof of male intellectual superiority. 🤦

Look, if we are being serious here, I haven't noticed any pattern suggesting women talk more than men, nor that men talk more than women. It has always been entirely dependent on the specific social circle you're in, the topics at hand, and, frankly, how much alcohol has been served.

Besides, there isn't really a direct correlation to spirituality, regardless of how one chooses to define that concept. 😁

Sam Robinson said:Look, Dana Davis5, Ryan Wilson2 is a man, just like you.

And there’s actually a link to a study I posted in a related thread that confirms the whole thing: men tend to be quieter, and when they do speak, it's mostly just garbage and mindless chatter... some guys—my ex, for instance—actually brag about it like it's some kind of virtue or proof of male intellectual superiority. 🤦

I was under the impression that Dana Davis5 was female 🤔, but fine, everyone is entitled to choose whatever screen name they desire 😁

I’ve been sitting here reflecting on the complexities of human nature, and I can't help but feel that women often lean more toward the material side of life than men do—though, perhaps, that’s just my own limited perception coloring the view. It seems to me there's this deep-seated need for them to find stability through a partner, almost as if an underlying sense of insecurity drives them to seek out a man who can provide that anchor. And then, once that foundation is laid, there is this profound, driving impulse to build up a family and create something lasting together. It’s a complicated dance of needs and motivations, isn't it?
It honestly feels like some people have this almost innate, restless compulsion to conjure up a massive crisis out of thin air when absolutely nothing is wrong! It’s like they possess this peculiar talent for taking a perfectly calm situation and somehow twisting it into a monumental catastrophe, creating drama where none existed just moments before.
And of course, they just have this incredible knack for making everything as unnecessarily complicated as humanly possible, don't they? It’s almost like a talent! They seem to absolutely thrive on conflict—just living for the drama, the arguments, and those endless, heated disputes that never seem to end.

I’m currently typing this up on my mobile device via Tapatalk 2, specifically while wearing my Samsung Galaxy Fit S5670.

Ryan Wilson2 said:I was under the impression that Dana Davis5 was female 🤔, but fine, everyone is entitled to choose whatever screen name they desire 😁

Oh well. Honestly, I thought it was super obvious from my handle that I was female, but apparently not—it’s funny how women can take the most straightforward thing imaginable and overcomplicate it until it's totally unrecognizable, all while being incredibly humble about it too. 😁